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All have sinned! We are born WITH sin...we are not born with the understanding of how or why we do the things we naturally do. Such as cry when there is nothing wrong with us (lies) just to get picked up...OR hit our sisters/brothers because they took our toy. BUT we are sinful creatures from birth! The only way to gain a new nature is through the blood of Jesus!

Romans 5:12

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

Hi Douglas. I don't believe that a baby is born into sin. I do believe that a baby is born with a sin nature, a nature that each one of us inherits from our parents and that going all the way back to Adam & Eve. King David said it well in Psalm 51:5: "I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." He saw that even as far back as being in the womb, that this developing embryo not only had the beginnings of bodily organs in preparation for life outside the womb, but was also the recipient of the unseen essence that its parents would naturally transfer to him: that of a fallen sin nature.

The sin nature is within the embryo & within the newborn baby. But that sin nature hasn't yet been tested by the forces that will come upon the child. The child remains pure, yet disadvantaged by inheriting this nature that will give it a propensity to sin one day. Once a child does wrong & then is at an age of understanding the wrongdoing (whether learned from parents or that inner sense of conviction), the child can be said to be a sinner. Even though a new-born baby gives all the cues of fresh new life growing into adulthood, the fact remains that the sin nature within unfortunately gives the guarantee that the process of dying has already commenced. A very sad thing to state for sure, but that is the consequence of having the sin nature & then of committing sin ( Romans 5:12). We are not responsible for receiving the sin nature - we are responsible for the sin we commit as a result of it.

The product of our sinful nature & of sin will result in death, but thanks be to God for the Gift of His Son Jesus Christ & the promise of forgiveness & eternal life through Him ( Romans 6:23) - that our spirits can be renewed & received by Him, because of trusting in Jesus, our Salvation.

Randy,

A Christian since 1968, very encouraging! Especially that you're reading throughout the Bible again into study! I hope you'll keep us in your study as you go. Many of us enjoy deep study & thought in the WORD of GOD.

There seems to be several scriptures to verify your thought, of multiple people: Genesis 1:27, let them have dominion over ._... fish, of the sea, fowl of the air, over every living thing, that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 4:1,2,8,13,14, Notice Genesis 4:13-17, Genesis 4:25,

also notice by now to continue for some people to try to say "only Adam & Eve" would be to ignore all the facts of other people listed.

Genesis 4:19,23,24,

Genesis 5:1-2, interestingly they both male & female named "Adam"

If you look in the Concordance by clicking on Genesis 1:27, man = mankind, human spelled English translated = the Hebrew name Adam sounds (aw-dawm)

Please also notice Genesis 6:5,7,12,17, why would GOD destroy the whole earth if only Adam & Eve, 1 lineage which is listed in the records of Genesis were only on Earth?

Genesis 5:3, Genesis 2:7,8,15,22, Romans 5:14, 1Corinthians 15:45, 1Chronicles 1:1, Luke 3:21-38,

Sometimes we have to ask questions

1st does an interpretation represent GOD's Laws, standards, examples? Leviticus 20:17, 1Corinthians 10:13, James 1:13-15, Proverbs 11:1,

2nd What is the main points GOD is pointing us to? Romans 5:17-21,

3rd, does it feel right, truthful, honest in our spirit? John 14:26,27, James 1:5, 1John 2:27-29,

I believe the reason anyone has questioned outside what is written, is because false teaching: Note: 1John 2:26-29, 2Peter 2:1, 2Timothy 3:1-5,

1John 4:1, 1Timothy 6:3-6,

Hopefully these are all helpful in your study

Part 3.

In Acts 15 the Disciples have a counsel on whether the Gentiles should be circumcised and keep the law, then Peter stands up to address the matter. Acts 15:7-11. Here you have the apostle Peter "A Jew" saying in verse 11, we Jews shall be saved in the same manner as the Gentiles! (By faith) "He's declaring "we jews have to come to the Lord by a new covenant".

This is the new birth spoken by Jesus in John 3:5 when speaking to Nicodemus. This is that which is spoken in

Jeremiah 31:31-34.

So here we have a new birth that provides a new nature that is generated by the Holyspirit. You see aspects of this in

Romans 6:1-23. Also, this is what is meant in John 4:21-24.

Here we have the quickening spirit by the second Adam that gives life under a new covenant where the old covenant brought death to the fleshly descendants of the first Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:45-50. and 2 Corinthians 5:1-6.

Ephesians 2:1-5 sums it up.

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins.

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

"AGAIN We're not talking about "Justification" we're talking about sanctification. Romans 5:1-21 handles justification.

GRAFTED INTO THE VINE BY THE RESURECTION OF CHRIST.

John 15:1-5.

Romans 6:6.

Now take these chapters in order-

Romans 6:1-23.

Romans 7:1-25.

Romans 8:1-39.

We are Justified and Sanctified by the blood of Christ and given a new nature under a new covenant that bares fruit by the power of the Holyspirit.

God bless.

Hey Fabian,

First, I would like to say one truth that cannot be misinterpreted, or overlooked, after the flood all mankind are descendants of Adam and Eve. There was 1656 years from the creation of Adam to the flood and only 5 chapters of Genesis, a lot of things are not written. Tradition strongly holds Adam was the first man and says chapter 2 is a closer look of man in day six.

There are two Adams in scripture the first one was disobedient the last one was obedient, and the last Adam was manifested to undo the works of the devil. Was the first Adam part of this plan that Satan had no clue? Is that what the tradition overlooks? We see in 1 Corinthians 15:47 Adam was the first man, but it also says Jesus was the second man. Romans 5:14 the first Adam was a figure of the one to come.

Does scripture line up with the tradition of Adam and Eve being the male and female in day six without questions? The herbs and fruit trees in day 3 are seed yielding, they would reproduce themselves with no cultivation needed, all animals and man ate plants. In chapter 2 the plants were of the field they had to be cultivated, a garden has to be planted and tilled to grow.

In day 5 the fowls came out of the water. In chapter 2 there were fowls formed out of the ground and brought to Adam. Are they the same fowls? In day 6 the beast and cattle of the earth before man, in chapter 2 beast and cattle of the field after Adam. Are they the same? Look at the description of the words earth and field.

In day 6 man was told to be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and have dominion over every living thing upon the earth. Could Adam and Eve obey these commandments from inside the garden?

There is more I could say, the only thing that cannot be denied mankind are descendants of Adam and the last Adam Jesus is from the line of Adam through Seth.

What would it change if Adam was not the first human? Nothing. Do we strain at a gnat and swallow a camel?

God bless,

RLW

This topic is widely referred to or discussed in the Scriptures, but I'm unsure whether you're just wanting Scriptures relating to death or more specifically on the preparation to enter eternity. So here are a few Scriptures for you to look at:

Psalm 49:6-15; Psalm 116:15; Daniel 12:1-3; John 11:19-26; Romans 5:12; 1 Corinthians 15:12-58; Revelation 21:4.

Douglas Borchard,

This prophecy gives the precise time of the first coming of the Messiah. You will receive different understandings of this, it is a study that will take much time. this is just a little information you may use to help your study.

Many put the last week of this prophecy at the end times. It is used for the 7 years of tribulation, a peace treaty with the antichrist (he in verse 27) for 3 1/2 years then 3 years of great tribulation with the taking of the church somewhere between (pre, mid, post).

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, (70 weeks, 70 x 7 = 490 solar years or 483 prophetic years) on the house of Israel (Daniel's people) and the holy city (Jerusalem). It started from "the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem", make a note, that the rebuilding of the temple is not in this prophecy.

Here are a few verses that may help your study and if this prophecy has been fulfilled or not.

1. To finish the transgression Isaiah 53:5, 8 Isaiah 53:11 Hebrews 9:15-18

2. To make an end of sins Matthew 1:21 Hebrews 10:8-11 John 1:29 1 Corinthians 15:3

1 John 3:5 Psalm 32 Romans 8:3

3. To make reconciliation for iniquity Colossians 1:20-22 Isaiah 53:6 Isaiah 53:11 Ephesians 2:16 ( Titus 2:14 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

4. To bring in everlasting righteousness Romans 5:17-21 Romans 3:21-26 1Peter 2:24

2 Corinthians 5:21 Isaiah 61:10-11

5. To seal up vision and prophecy Daniel 9:23 John 6:27 Mark 1:14-15 Acts 3:18

John 5:36-40 Matthew 11:11-15

6. To anoint the most holy Hebrews 8:1-12 Hebrews 9:6-14

The six things that were determined on Daniel's people and the holy city in this 70-week prophecy; did the Messiah/Jesus fulfill?

God bless,

RLW

Dear friend, no one in the world can do better than they can. So rest assured John. When a human being does what it thinks is best. Then it's best. Good conscience and everyone mostly happy. :)

These things are also about sanctuary. That we are approaching more and more to God and His righteousness. And I thanks the Lord for that all my day. Stay on and doing a good Shepherd work in Jesus holy name, love u in Christ. Romans 5:1-5

Yes, thank you dear "Joe", that's how i think to. But then it becomes a big BUT. Because i do not praise then, there will be no worship at all. So and praise the Lord will lift us up, it cleanses us free, the most gracious thing we can do is and love the Lord with all our soul, spirit and body. There lies the praise. Thank you for mentioning this. Now let the day be to the Glory of God, Amen.

We must pray that we always have a conscience that allows us to praise the Lord.

Romans 5:1-5 in Jesus name, love u in Christ.

Dear "Charley",

thank you for coming with this reminder. And as so many times before, we must never stop teaching / patient all people.

Now there are separate threads in here that explain hell and they make parts of all the levels of the earth. So u can like them, i would advise you to look at them. We must also remember that everyone on the web is at different levels in God's plan and in His arrangement as well. So that we is always indulgent with everyone. Everyone is welcome here on the web, whether they will be is another matter unfortunately. and in the kingdom of God too. In Jesus Christ. :) Peace be with you and yours. Romans 5: 1-5 love u in Christ.

Hanna Fowler,

Sometimes we have to find out who we are not, & who we don't want to be, before we find out who we are. I've told several people at times before testings & temptation we can say "I'd never" but as Peter under the real pressure gave in, we really don't know how we handle trial & temptation until testing. (We're to pray that God deliver us & lead us not into temptation ' Matthew 6,) Luke 22:31-34, Luke 22:40-62, Matthew 26:75, John 21:17, later Peter became a bold preacher read all the book of Acts to see Peter's boldness afterward. Here's a few: Acts 2:38-47, Acts 2:14, this is in the Bible for those of us who need this encouragement. Also this scripture : Luke 7:47, in context Luke 7:37-50,

Here are a few more: Mark 1:15, Acts 2:38, John 3:15-16, Acts 3:19, Romans 3:22-25,

Romans 5:8, "But God commendeth his love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Ephesians 5,

Ephesians 5:8 "For ye were sometimes darkness, but now ye are light in the Lord: walk as children of the light."

Matthew 7, Matthew 25:31-46, 2Corinthians 1:4,

Hopefully these are all helpful

Dear Pius Joseph JD, The only thing that will send you to hell is rejecting Jesus Christ as Savior. In remorse for your sins and willing to repent of them, ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins, and He will give you a new heart.

This is what the Bible says about being born again.

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

God bless you!

Jill,

Eternal life is only by the grace of God the Father given through the life death, and resurrection of God's only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. We only have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, we are justified by faith without the deeds of the law, but by faith and obedience of the only begotten Son, as He was obedient to the Father Hebrews 5:5-9 Matthew 26:38-42

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

When I was young growing up many many years ago, I loved my Dad who has been gone many years now. I knew if I did wrong I would have to face my Dad. Was my fear the punishment I would receive, when I was real young maybe, but later the admiration and love I had for him I feared letting him down, the source of security and love he gave me. We should have a sense of awe and respect for the majesty of God the Father.

In Proverbs 1:7 are we being obedient? Is fear being scared? No! We have His promise, He will never leave us or forsake us, Hebrews 13:5. But with the knowledge that God can be frightening it should give us motivation as sinners to say no to the temptations and riches of this world, for our faith and hope is in the next world to be with our God the Father and Jesus our Lord.

Colossians 3:12-14 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Obedience, not our righteousness which is of the law, but Gods righteousness, a gift through faith in Jesus Christ.

God bless,

RLW

What a great chapter written by our Apostle Paul.

Philippians 4:9

Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

Romans 5 is a perfect chapter to tell you the free gift I received in 11/11/21. The grace of God and the gift by grace made me open my eyes to a lot of precious things important to God for God's glory.

Talking and praying to God. Reading the Bible like my life depends on His words day and night.

I hope one can relate. I counted and mentioned each name of my family member. My son, His wife, their children. I know immediately figuratively I need to build an ark. I do not ask God why, but I just do what God tells me. Spiritually, I seem to know God is talking to me. So I started to pray and gave warning to some of my siblings both my husband's and my side. The total of them is 60 souls. I also have extended my warning to most friends. I cannot count.

Here's the amazing part I know that God revealed to me. I can give warning that Christ is coming soon to all people that touches my life and help them how to be saved or I prepare my own family of nine to prepare the coming of Christ. There is something profound about this single task. So I decided to make sure I know I am the sole responsible for the emotional and spiritual heath of my family. I own the responsibility to remind them that God wants us to be holy. That Apostle Paul have written the book of Romans to the book of Philemon to tell us about our only hope and Saviour Jesus Christ. He also told us how to prepare and be saved for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. While yet waiting, the Apostle Paul and other apostles have written superfluous informative epistles on how to behave in these last days of preparations. More importantly, God gave us enough examples of what to do and not to do from the entire KJV Bible, Old and New Testament throughout the history of men. What a great free gift! Peace.

Continued Hebrews 4

The Moral law contains the Love and legal code God has for His Universe and beloved children. It is;

Written in stone by God's own finger - Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 4:12-13, 9:10

Has always existed & will be kept throughout eternity and throughout all the universe - Psalm 111:7,8, Romans 5:19 refers to Adam sinning in the Garden of Eden

Jesus said He did not come to destroy it but to fulfil it - Matt 5:17 - 19

Jesus said 'If you love me keep my commandments' John 14:15 and that 'He is the Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28 - yet never mentions it being dissolved or changed

God's people are commanded to keep the Commandments of God for all eternity & God's people are identified by it because they keep it out of love to God and by faith - Exodus 19:5, Ecclesiastes 12:13,14, Psalm 111:7,8, Revelation 14:12, 12:17

Lives in the heart of God's children - Psalms 40:8

We are judged by them - James 2:12

Blessed with access to the Tree of Life if you keep them by faith - Revelation 22:14

Dear Joy, if you have been born again, He is your Father and your Friend.

How to be born again.

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

Psalms 119:78 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Let the proud be ashamed; for they dealt perversely with me without a cause: but I will meditate in thy precepts.

Psalms 119:46 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.

2 Kings 8:11 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

And he settled his countenance stedfastly, until he was ashamed: and the man of God wept.

Hosea 4:19 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

The wind hath bound her up in her wings, and they shall be ashamed because of their sacrifices.

Romans 9:33 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

2 Corinthians 9:4 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.

2 Timothy 1:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

The Lord give mercy unto the house of Onesiphorus; for he oft refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain:

Isaiah 45:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Job 11:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Should thy lies make men hold their peace? and when thou mockest, shall no man make thee ashamed?

Romans 5:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

man can only reign by grace that was release to him on the cross. When sin comes close to grace, it loses its grip, stamina and power because the power of Grace is greater, stronger and better than Sin. If we have not been able to overcome sin due to our own personal effort, it is time to plug into grace because it will swallow up all disgrace brought by sin.

Hi Diane.

Sometimes when we feel one is letting us down and we feel we don't deserve it we have to think of what Jesus endured in our behalf.

2 Corinthians 5:21. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The Lord of mercy died for us while we were yet sinners! Romans 5:8.

To fully appreciate that, in order for us to do anything for someone we would probably want them to straighten their lives up first. But he's love, rich in mercy, longsuffering and forgiving. That's something we're "naturally not. These are fruit of the Spirit. In Matthew 5:43-44 Jesus is saying what is expected out of believers.

This is Jesus spirit working a work in us. We are continuously pray and grow in grace. It's not something we can manifest on our own.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

@ Doug - in Reply on Matthew 22

You: "The reason I asked if you feel you have faith is because Romans 5:1 says being justified by faith we have peace with God. Your description of your life doesn't come across as peaceful. A complete belief and trust in God sets the mind at one with God to believe the things spoken in his word."

My life has never been peaceful. It's always something. Every day was/is a struggle. I'm still waiting for my dreams to come true and I'm pushing 70 yrs old.

I do believe in the things spoken in His Word.

Matthew 24:4-51 (describes what goes on in the end days, which we are in now.)

You: " It is hard for me to relate to the statement that you are always questioning God. Where are you coming from to think yourself or any person would be wiser than God. A key element to faith is patience and waiting. If we become impatient we can't see God's work fulfilled in us or others.

2 Peter 3:8

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,

that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."



A pastor once said that the end days started the day God raised Jesus from the dead and He appeared to over 500 and then they watched Him ascend into heaven and then on the day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit came down to earth.

Which means we've already been in the "last days" for the past 2000+ years, and it could go on for another 1000.

I know I'm not wiser than God. I'm dumb as a box of rocks. I get to look outside and see the world swirling down the toilet. People have gone mad. Pardon me if I'm a little nervous, wondering if today will be my last day alive. Then what? Have I messed up so badly I'll be kicked into the Lake of Fire or will I get to enter Heaven???

The reason I asked if you feel you have faith is because Romans 5:1 says being justified by faith we have peace with God. Your description of your life doesn't come across as peaceful. A complete belief and trust in God sets the mind at one with God to believe the things spoken in his word. Some modern thoughts limit faith to just faith in the shed blood for the forgiveness of sins, without taking to mind 2 Thess. 2:13 "....because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:" It is hard for me to relate to the statement that you are always questioning God. Where are you coming from to think yourself or any person would be wiser than God. A key element to faith is patience and waiting. If we become impatient we can't see God's work fulfilled in us or others. If we were at Jesus trial we would have thought that was an injustice (after all he was perfect), but Jesus told them that this your hour and the power of darkness, but by waiting we can see God's plan better on Easter morning. This was God's hour and the power of light!!! The guards fell down as dead men when the angels descended and rolled the sealed stone away and sat on it!! They thought they had made the tomb "as sure as the could". Please take the time and just absorb Hebrews 11.

Your experience sounds normal and that all struggle by design. 2 Corinthians 12:9-10, Romans 5:3-5.

God's priority isn't our comfort but that we follow Him. We can cling to Him for stability. Just because we have a difficult life doesn't mean we're somehow off track or doing wrong. Read about Paul's hardships. Our hardships doesn't mean God is causing them but God can use them to test our character. Please hang in there! Praying for you now.

Dear Victor,

If you are saved, form the habit of daily devotions--praying and reading the Bible, including studying the Gospel of John which teaches Jesus's deity, and what the Apostles Peter and Paul wrote about growing strong in our walk with Christ Hebrews 5:11-6:12, 1 Cor. 3:1-4, 10-15, Eph 4:11-16, 1 Pet. 2:1-3, 2 Pet.1:3-10. When you sin, ask forgiveness and repent from ever doing it again. Jesus's blood is sufficient to cover all your sins. 1John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Ask Him to search your heart, know your thoughts to see if there be any wickedness in you, and show you the way to walk. Psalms 139:23, 24 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. Confess, repent, and your sins will be blotted out.

If you are not born again, that is, not saved, here is the way to salvation:

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

Thanks for that Suze. I agree with much that you wrote, but rather than deal with each part of it, I would ask, What is the origin of our carnal minds? What was in Paul's mind when he stated, "the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God" Romans 8:7,8: where does this carnal mind/carnal life, lived in the flesh, come from?

Is this something God has given us from our birth, or has another intruded into humanity causing us to sin against God & that sin has been passed on to all generations? ( Romans 5:12; Acts 5:3; 1 Timothy 5:14,15; 2 Corinthians 2:10,11; 1 Thessalonians 2:18; Luke 22:31,32; etc., are a few verses showing Satan's activity, from the first day till the day he is put away, & our ongoing struggle to withstand him & his devices & to live in the power & joy of the Holy Spirit).

Satan is never absent - He is present - He is at work - and working in the hearts & minds of those who choose to live according to the dictates of their flesh & not in the fullness of the Spirit. Such were the gross sins of those kings mentioned earlier - if Ananias & Sapphira could have Satan gripping their heart so as to lie to the Spirit, how much more of Satan's control over those kings & indeed so many rulers/govts of today & their workings against Jesus Christ.

That question involves a sense of one and the same when the accuser torments us and puts us in bondage. Obviously; as Romans 5:10; Colossians 1:21 and other verses indicate we all were enemies of God and remain so until we are Born Again.

It seems with Satan's role as the "accuser of the brethren" ( Revelation 12:10) that he focuses more on those who are saved than the rest of the world-for several reasons. For one thing; being the god of this world" (Corinthians) that men being already under his spell are better to not fear reality. Undoubtably; the enemy has learned that when the fear of God comes on someone as to their spiritual state they are more likely to turn to God. If the enemy of our souls affects us it starts in our minds; and when a weakness is exploited that leads to sin the carrot as it were switches to the accusations and oppression. It is because of our sin that he has legal authority to accuse us. He may also buffet us as occurred with Paul; or use people to go after us. This is; of course no battle to seek alone-we must trust God that Christ is sufficient-it is He who remains faithful even when we are not ( 2 Tim. 2:13). If we are rendered useless to produce fruit spiritually; that is enough to kill off our witness.

We need to understand that all our good works apart from Christ is "filthy rags" ( Isaiah 64:6). If we do have a healthy appreciation of that; we also need to see us as having a new nature (if truly we have examined ourselves in Christ to see if we are in the faith). The way to do this is to recognize His voice; and I pray that you can do that today. There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. We; however fall at His feet realizing our unworthiness and undeservedness of His mercies. We still are capable of sin; but in Christ that is not truly who we are as our identity; but we are dying daily to self.

He chastises all He loves; that is different than destruction of His enemies.

Sins of ignorance are not what sends sinners to hell. Romans 5

Romans 5:13

(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

No sinner goes to hell in ignorance. Condemnation is the sentence issued to those who reject the light clearly revealed to them by the Holy Spirit.

John 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Romans 1

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Dear David, the Bible is clear about forgiveness of sins: 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." This verse is to assure that our sins are forgiven when we become born again and that when we sin after being saved.

If you are saved, form the habit of daily devotions--praying and reading the Bible, including studying the Gospel of John which teaches Jesus's deity, and what the Apostles Peter and Paul wrote about growing strong in our walk with Christ Hebrews 5:11-6:12, 1 Cor. 3:1-4, 10-15, Eph 4:11-16, 1 Pet. 2:1-3, 2 Pet.1:3-10. When you sin, ask forgiveness and repent from ever doing it again.

If you are not born again, that is, not saved, here is the way to salvation:

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

A Jewish historian offered this date:

The Great Flood (known as the mabul in Hebrew) was sent by Gd in the year 1656 of Creation (2105 BCE), to cleanse the earth of mankind's corrupt ways. The only survivors were Noah, his family, and representatives of every living species, who found refuge in a specially designed ark.

The story is told in detail in Genesis 6-11, which form the Parshah of Noach.

Hi, I've researched this a bit.

Most estimates are around 3500-3200 B.C.

Do we know at what time the world was flooded as in Noah and the a

ark? Thank you!