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Tribulation definition online: "a cause of great trouble or suffering"

Deuteronomy 4:29,30,31, 1Samuel 26:24, Matthew 13:20-21, John 16:33, Acts 14:22, Romans 5:3, Romans 8:35-39, Romans 12:12, 2Corinthians 1:3-5, 1Thessalonians 3:4, 2Thessalonians 1:6, Revelation 1:9, Revelation 2:9,10,22,

There seems to be a difference between tribulation & The great Tribulation,

Matthew 24:21, Romans 2, Revelation 7:14,

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37,

Dear Ringo, below are verses and instructions on how to be born again.

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

I'm lifting you up to God. May you be born again and live for our Mighty God.

Hey Jay,

The word creed comes from the Latin credo, "I believe." a set of beliefs of Christianity, and without believing these creeds salvation cannot be obtained. I have been told this in different denominations of churches I have gone to. "You cannot be a Christian unless you believe these creeds". Many Christian bible discussion web sites will not let you on unless you profess these creeds.

My understanding of scripture.

You must believe that God exists. Hebrews 11:6

You must believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.,18 6:40; 1 John 4:14-15, 5:5, 5:10

You must believe God gave His only Son for us to have eternal life John 3:16

You must believe Jesus came in the flesh 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7

You must believe that Jesus is the Christ 1 John 2:22

You must believe Jesus died for Your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:2-3

You must believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9

You must believe we are saved by Jesus' life Romans 5:10

Being baptized in the name of Jesus. Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16

You must believe we are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus 1 Corinthians 6:11

You must believe we obtain salvation only in Christ Jesus. John 14:6 2 Acts 4:12 Timothy 2:10

Are there any scriptures saying you must believe in these creeds for salvation?

Are these creeds similar to what the sect of Pharisees tried to do in Acts 15? What did Peter say? Acts 15:7-11

God is not the author of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:33

God bless,

RLW

Genesis 1:28, other translations say "to fill" or "make full" the earth, replacing "replinish" , it would be interesting to do original text reasearch on the word.

Genesis 2:16,17,

If you look at Genesis 5:1-2, it can change the perspective, to who exactly the name Adam, is referring to. It's similar to referencing "man or mankind, man made" the difference seems to be clarified more when it says "the woman " Genesis 3, if we look however as Genesis 2, being in chronological order, then the woman arrives Genesis 2:18,19,21,22, after. However Genesis 3:1-3, shows she was very aware of the 'law' 2Corinthians 11:3, 1Timothy 2:13-15,

Genesis 2:23, He 1st named her ' woman ' interestingly Jacob also seems to do the same when GOD changed his name to Israel he continues to be referred to as Jacob, also. Genesis 32:28, Genesis 35:10, Genesis 46:2,5,

It doesn't say their children would be a punishment, Genesis 3:16, pregnancy & childbirth is difficult, painful, with distress. Woman also have hormons that magnify crying 'sorrow'. Explaining the curse also. Why, seems to be explained in Gen. 3. Revelation 12:2, John 16:21,

Genesis 3:7, fig leaves, will decompose & provide no warmth, It's a temporary, hasty, bad choice. Genesis 3:21, compassion, provision, love, mercy, knowledge, wisdom & protection, is why GOD made coats of skin for them. Remember they were no longer allowed in the protected environment of the special garden. Genesis 3:23-24, Ephesians 2:4,

"how, did GOD make skins from animals for them & why" It appears to be the 1st animal sacrifice to cover "mans sins".

Romans 5:14, John 3:15,16, 1Corinthians 15:22, 1Corinthians 15:45, 1Chronicles 1:1, Luke 3,

Proverbs 7, Romans 8, Hebrews 10, Matthew 13,

Hopefully these are all helpful

Deloys Sutherland,

Hello, welcome to the Discussion & Questions section of this website.

Many of us here volunteer here because we love GOD & love HIS people, whom HE created.

Like Adam said be careful about listening to opinion. This is such a difficult topic, emotionally, spiritually, morally etc. This issue effects society, families, individuals.

1st let's address the effects = Loss to their family, loved ones, friends, community & even the World. Loss of what that person would have accomplished, & what that would have attributed to each mentioned. 1Corinthians 12, Psalms 139,

2nd, What that leaves behind = confusion, sadness, undue feelings of guilt, grief, helpless feelings to those dear & close to the person & then effecting all around them, even extended to people that looked at that person as an example, children nearby, jobs, everyone & everything left, all effected 2Corinthians 3:2, 1Timothy 4:12,

3rd root causes = pain, abuse, sometimes just selfishness, etc. But we are not without hope, Romans 8, (whole chapter)

Hope = Hebrews 4:8-16, Romans 5:1-21, Romans 15:4,13, Galatians 5:5, Colossians 1:23,

Strength to endure = James 5:10, Romans 12:12,

Comfort = 2Corinthians 1:2-4,

Purpose = Ephesians 1:17-19,

People that went through feelings of that but made it through = 2Corinthians 1, Job 7:15, Jonah 4:9, Matthew 26:38,

Direction = Proverbs 2, Proverbs 8, Proverbs 10:2, Proverbs 24:10-12, Hebrews 4:15-16,

Disobedience to GOD = Psalms 68:20, Ezekiel 18:32, Ezekiel 33:11, Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17,

Hopefully these are helpful

Thank you, brother Chris.

Those scriptures you quoted should be considered explained if they hold the view that a loving God will not allow a lost sinner to go to heaven. They take away his very being and attributes. Judgement, Nahum 1:3.

They also fail to understand that everyone is not baptized into Christ. And if they're not in Christ they die in Adam and face the second death. 1 Corinthians 15:20-23.

This belief that all will be saved by fire contradicts the preaching of the cross and what may not seem obvious at first glance, but they devalue the love of God denying the display of love presented when we read John 3:16 and Romans 5:8-9.

Perhaps Romans 5:8. is a clearer picture of that love when read with 1 Peter 1:20. "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,"

God didn't make man, find out what he would be like, and then send a savior. God saw all that was in man including Putin, Hitler, Abortionist, Racism, ect.. before the foundation of the world. Yet he sent his son to die in our place.

If there is no judgement or penalty for the sinner, then the cross doesn't display that love.

God bless.

WHAT IS A UNBELIEVER; the unbelieving?

The Israel of OLD believed in God.

Even devils believe in God.

But the Israel of OLD didn't believe the words of God.

The Israel of NEW have the same problem, they don't believe the words of God.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me.

Romans 5:10 For if, WHEN WE WERE ENEMIES, we were RECONCILED (already completed) to God by the death of his Son ......

1 Corinthians 15:28 ....and GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.

Revelation 21:8 .. the UNBELIEVING and ALL LIARS.....shall have their part in the LAKE OF FIRE.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue Satan, which say are Jews (born again), and are not, BUT DO LIE ........

God Bless You!

Hi Brook.

You said grow spiritual by keeping the law? We can't.

Galatians 3:2-3.

Galatians 3:5-7.

Galatians 3:8-9.

Galatians 3:10-11.

Galatians 3:12-14.

Also read Galatians 4. and

Galatians 5.

Jesus didn't do away with the Law.

Jesus took on the penalty of the law that brought death.

Colossians 2:14-17.

In fact it's called the ministry of Death.

Here's a few passages from Paul. at one time he felt the same way you do and set out to kill anyone that followed Jesus.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11.

Romans 7:10-11. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Romans 5:20. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Philippians 3:2-10. Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Galatians 5:11-12.

God bless.

the word "salvation" concerns an eternal, spiritual deliverance. When Paul told the Philippian jailer what he must do to be saved, he was referring to the jailer's eternal destiny ( Acts 16:30-31). Jesus equated being saved with entering the kingdom of God ( Matthew 19:24-25).

What are we saved from? In the Christian doctrine of salvation, we are saved from "wrath," that is, from God's judgment of sin ( Romans 5:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:9). Our sin has separated us from God, and the consequence of sin is death ( Romans 6:23). Biblical salvation refers to our deliverance from the consequence of sin and therefore involves the removal of sin.

Who does the saving? Only God can remove sin and deliver us from sin's penalty ( 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5).

How does God save? In the Christian doctrine of salvation, God has rescued us through Christ ( John 3:17). Specifically, it was Jesus' death on the cross and subsequent resurrection that achieved our salvation ( Romans 5:10; Ephesians 1:7). Scripture is clear that salvation is the gracious, undeserved gift of God ( Ephesians 2:5, 8) and is only available through faith in Jesus Christ ( Acts 4:12).

St. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. St. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love. I am not aware the Bible uses unconditional love unless it uses a different word. It does say God commendeth(introduce or exhibit) his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

Ms. Jackson, pray for God to increase your faith. Faith is what sets our heart at one with God so we can believe his promises and live for him. Faith give access into grace ( Romans 5:2). We receive the Holy Spirit by the hearing of faith ( Galatians 3:2). Faith is the victory that overcomes the world ( 1 John 5:4). When reading the Bible ask yourself if you really belief what it says. Hebrews 11:6 "But with out faith it is impossible to please God: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him". Faith precedes grace, the Holy Spirit, imputes righteousness and gives victory. Faith the size of a mustard seed will remove mountains ( Matthew 17:20). Hebrews 11 has good examples of faith and the effects of it.

Genesis 4:1, Genesis 4:16,23,24,

Genesis 4:25,26, Genesis 5:1-3, Genesis 5, Genesis 6:1-13, Genesis 7, & 8, Genesis 9:8-9, Hebrews 11:1-7, 1John 3:12,

Romans 5:14, 1Corinthians 15:45, Deuteronomy 32:8, Matthew 3:21-38, Romans 5:14, 1Corinthians 15:22,45,

Jude 1,

This chapter; as many others in scripture-demonstrate the level of depravity one may reach.

There are two possible outcomes here; that of Manasseh who indeed humbled himself after suffering greatly and knowing that God was indeed Lord (v. 13). The resulting behaviors listed up to verse 20 show that there was a genuine conversion and that must characterize anyone who claims to have faith today. His son; Amon only had 2 years to serve and was killed by his own servants at the age of 24. (v. 24).

Testimonies are always effective; as say someone like Niki Cruz who was profoundly affected by David Wilkerson who himself put his own life in jeopardy to witness the gospel. It is only through unconditional "agape" love that we can truly "love our enemies; and do good to those who despitefully use us." ( Luke 6:27-28). It is; of course no benefit to manifesting sins so that we can later have a more dramatic testimony. God does; of course come to us "while we are yet sinners" ( Romans 5:8). We also need to be reminded of the exhortation in Ezekiel; even one sin disqualifies a rightous man ( Ezekiel 33:13). Note the man in that verse is TRUSTING in his own righteousness! These passages help to demonstrate the unity of scripture and that the God of the O.T. is the same today. There is no room for boasting; except in Christ ( Jeremiah 9:24; 1 Cor. 1:31). These passages also are stark warnings for those who have Godly examples; we are held more accountable and perhaps judged sooner than the world itself. We see this in the case of Nebuchadnezzar's progeny at the time of the writing on the wall; for example. In short; there are those who learn from chastisement who are His chosen; and others who only harden their hearts further; such as Pharaoh.

Rejoice in the LORD always, Philippians 4:4, Romans 5:2, 1Thessalonians 5:16, 1Peter 1:8, Psalms 118:24,

John 16:22,

Revelation 19:7, isn't quite here yet

Dear Marvin: if you have been born again, that is saved, allow me to suggest you study the Gospel of John which teaches the deity of Jesus, and the verses written by the Apostles Paul and Peter which show us how to grow stronger in our walk with Jesus Hebrews 5:11-6:12, 1 Cor. 3:1-4, 10-15, Eph 4:11-16, 1 Pet. 2:1-3, 2 Pet.1:3-10.

Jesus said in John 3:3 "Ye must be born again to enter the kingdom of Heaven."

What the Bible says about being saved.

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



How to be born again

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

God bless you on your journey for Christ.

Originally I wrote a post saying that trying to show that "shall be made alive" in 1 Corinthians 15:22 is more than just physical resurrection may be trying to prove too much. But I was wrong.

The word translated "shall be made alive" zoopoiethesontai is derived from a word that is used in the New Testament for being resurrected or quickened to eternal life. Here are the other passages that use derivatives of this word:

John 5:21

John 6:63

Romans 4:17

Romans 8:11

1 Corinthians 15:36

1 Corinthians 15:45

2 Corinthians 3:6

Galatians 3:21

1 Peter 3:18

This word cannot mean life common to all men living and moving and having their being in Christ, nor can it mean simply resurrection to either eternal life or the second death. Under this meaning I am persuaded that the word "all" in 1 Corinthians cannot be an unlimited universal "all" and in both instances where it is used in this passage it is limited by the words "in Adam" and "in Christ". "In Christ" appears to be used in this passage by Paul in a similar way to the way he uses that phrase and the phrase "in Him" in Ephesians.

Ephesians 1:2-4,7,10,13,20

Ephesians 2:6-7,10,13,20-22

Ephesians 3:6,11-12

Ephesians 4:32

This also suggests that "all men" in Romans 5:18 is limited by the "one man" being referenced, either Adam or Christ.

The connection that Adam and Christ share in common with the "all" in 1 Corinthians 15:22 and Romans 5:8 has several different interpretations that have been offered. Personally I believe there is a federal headship connection. "Things done by one may be imputed unto others, propter relationem foederalem, because of a covenant relation between them." Hodge

I also believe Adam and Christ are uniquely qualified and appointed by God to be the first fruits of their respective seed. No other human beings can be presented before God in the way they can.

I agree that all sinners are born sinners because of inherited sin from Adam. I don't know how many times or ways I can say that to convince you that I understand and believe that. However, I get the impression that you think a sinner will stand before God and that God will condemn the sinner to hell for Adam's sin. I do not believe that.

I believe the sin that sends sinners to hell is the sin of rejecting the Word of God clearly delivered to that sinner by the Holy Ghost so that the sinner who rejects that clear understanding will be without excuse if he rejects it.

Romans 1

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

I do not dispute that our own sins will be judged. But they are not the origin of sin in me or anyone else. The origin of sin in me was Adam's sin and it was already condemned. The disposition that hated the light already existed from the moment I was conceived.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

This is part of David's confession of his sin with Uriah's wife and his murder of Uriah. It is a confession I make.

This corruption of nature did not originate with me, and it did not originate from man's original created state. That corruption originated in Adam's deed of eating the tree of the knowledge of good and evil against the commandment of God that carried the penalty of death. Was the penalty of death in that commandment only what occurred to Adam's during his 930th year when he physically died? No.

Genesis 2:17

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam was under the penalty of death the day he ate of the fruit, and it's guilt was sufficient to deny him the ability to live one more day. The penalty of death and judgement of all mankind could have taken place on the very day Adam's ate. Satan was counting on that, since he was judged that way. None of us would even exist had God chosen to carry out the penalty of death that way, and He was within His rights to do that, as he later showed under the Law when the penalties of those commandments were carried out the day it was confirmed by two witnesses.

The 930 years and the birth of every human being since was all of grace. The animal(s) that died that day clothed them to give us all physical life. But not spiritual life

Our mere existence is a gift of grace. And the origin of righteousness and justification in me now is not my righteous deeds or my righteous disposition it is of faith in Christ's righteousness, both in his deeds and in His nature.

I agree with your assessment of the devil and Adam in the Garden of Eden. I think you must be misunderstanding make when I say sinners are not condemned to hell for the sins of others, even for the sins of Adam, but are condemned for their own sin of rejecting Jesus. Here are more scriptures to highlight what I believe:

John 15

22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

I mentioned earlier the sin of rejecting Jesus when enlightened by other Holy Spirit to come to Jesus for salvation. Some people call that the unpardonable sin. Jesus said in Mark 3 there is one sin that shall never be forgiven. John 3 says condemnation is rejecting the light. All of these verses say the same thing. Sinners are not condemned to hell because they were born sinners or did some bad things in their life. Sinners are condemned to hell for rejecting the witness of the Holy Spirit which has been made clear to them.

Romans 1

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Hi dear "Marke" there is no one who can see this light you describe without the Holy Spirit. God will bless you with even more revelation and the spirit of knowledge Amen.

Matthew 16

I conclude Adam and Eve were not created loving the darkness. Nor were they created doing evil deeds. Eve was not created deceived. They were not created with enmity in their hearts toward the light. Emnity only existed in the heart of the serpent toward God,, not man when he first comes on the scene, and this enmity extended to man. His lies are the original source of spiritual darkness, and he practiced deception on Eve to get her to make Adam disobey God. That introduced enmity between the serpent's seed and the seed of the woman who is Christ. Do you say otherwise?

John 3 presupposes all of scripture is true since "In the beginning". He does not dispute anything Moses wrote, and in fact he makes it perfectly clear from the first words he wrote that Moses testimony is already entered into the record against mankind. Do you dispute that that? I don't.

Arguing that the reason for the evil condemned in this passage is not attributed to Adam directly is irrelevant, because he has already plainly referenced it before and Chapter 3 cannot be interpreted as though Chapter 1 of his Gospel doesn't exist.

If man was originally created without darkness in his heart, nor doing evil deeds and in fact literally lacked the knowledge of good and evil, as scripture clearly states in Genesis, how did it come about that mankind in John 3 now practices evil deeds and loves the darkness and hates the light with enmity? The condemnation John is talking about is completely impossible without the enmity of the serpent's seed against the seed of the woman that entered the world through God's curse upon the serpent when Adam and Eve fell.

You plainly like to take God's words out of context, use them in isolation, and then apply them as though the rest of His word doesn't exist. That is an extremely bad way to interpret scripture.

Every sinner born into the world will later die because of sin inherited from Adam. That is what the Bible refers to as the first death.

Revelation 20:6

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Those who die the second death will die for their own sins, not Adam's.

Ezekiel 18:20

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

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Meyer's NT Commentary

Romans 5:13 f. Demonstration, that the death of all has its ground in the sin of Adam, and the causal connection of that sin with death. This argument, conducted with great conciseness, sets out from the undoubted historical certainty (it is already sufficiently attested in Genesis 4-6) that during the entire period prior to the law ( Romans 5:14) there was sin in humanity; then further argues that the death of individuals, which yet has affected those also who have not like Adam sinned against a positive command, cannot be derived from that sin (sin against a positive command) prior to the law, because in the non-existence of law there is no imputation; and allows it to be thence inferred that consequently the death of all has been caused by the sin of Adam (not by their individual sins). Paul however leaves this inference to the reader himself; he does not expressly declare it, but instead of doing so he says, returning to the comparison begun in Romans 5:12 : for in that death-working operation of Adam's sin for all lay, in fact, the very ground of the typical relation to Christ.

Romans 5:13-21 is all designed to prove the declaration started in Roman's 5:12:

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 5:13-14 shows that a lack of law couldn't stop the consequences of Adam's sin for mankind and Romans 5:20-21 shows the law only made it worse since in Adam more commands only = more sin. Paul shows Adam as a figure for (Jesus Christ) that was to come ( Romans 5:14) by paired comparisons of Adam and Christ. He gives the differences in the consequences of their acts ( Romans 5:15-17) before returning to what he started in Romans 5:12 that presents the similarities in the consequences of their acts ( Romans 5:18-19). Death/sin from Adam include spiritual death since life/righteousness from Christ includes spiritual life in this passage.

Maybe it would help to look at this from a different angle. Let's examine what the Bible says is the reason or are the reasons sinners go to hell.

John 3

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

I conclude from the text that God desires to save sinners because He loves them.

I conclude from the text that God defines condemnation as rejecting the light He sheds on sinners by the Holy Spirit

I conclude sinners are condemned for refusing to accept the light and refusing to come to the light when drawn by the Holy Ghost.

Agree?

Every human ever born has either already died or will die because of Adam's sin. But nobody goes to hell because of Adam's sin. Sinners go to hell for their own sin and that sin is not the sin of ignorance.

Romans 5:15-19

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

You do like picking out a single verse that supports your point when looked at all by itself, but a proof text doesn't work in this case (or in most cases actually). You have to at least address these verses to trace the idea you have proposed all the way through. Every one of these verses pair an aspect of Adam's fall with a counteracting aspect of Jesus Christ's saving work. A consistent pattern for handling all of these pairs and both halves within each pair would be what I would expect from Paul and should be given the benefit of the doubt over any inconsistent pattern for handling them absent a compelling reason for breaking the pattern.

Marke let me remind you they died even before the law, death reigned from Adam to Moses before the law... Romans 5 : 19 ..For by 1 mans disobedience many were made sinners. And by 1 mans offence ( Adam ) judgement came upon ALL MEN to Condemnation...Even by the obedience of 1 man Christ Jesus shall many be made righteous...Now we see Ezech 18 in a better light...Lemme me tells ya abit about EZECH 18 Its about LAW SIN...Transgresssion of the law ..Under the law sin cd not be mputed to the Fathers Children....their sons ..Simply b/c the sons were already under the curse of Adam. They were were already under the curse of the law it wd be Double Jeopardy if God imputed the sins of the fathers to the Children...They ALL were already under the curse of ADAM and that CURSE CD NOT BELIFTED BUT BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB...Meaning only by Christ Jesus....Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...But by the blood of an animal they got an annual reprieve...for law sin...But that did not get them the kingdom or a new heart or a new spirit...But if God imputed sin to the Sons for their fathers trangressions that wd be Double Jeopardy...As God is not unfair in anyway...

Romans 5:13

Sin is not imputed where there is no law.

Romans 5:13

(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

What does that tell us?

1. That nobody goes to hell for Adam's sin.

2. Salvation is not given to sinners for keeping the law.

Dear "Marke", in a way you are right too. Jews still keep the Sabbath, and Christians do not keep the Sabbath at all. The meaning of the Sabbath was to Honor God not man. Therefore, the Jews could not then do/work on that day of the Sabbath. This was then, as everyone knows, a great topic of conversation for the scribes. (You should see for yourself here on the web as well). So that we do not walk in unbelief where others are enlightened.

Luke 6:7

And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.

They followed everything Jesus did to get something and accuse Him. No further explanation is needed, because we know that.

Jesus has now created a society that we can have with Him 24/7 that is, around the clock. The kingdom of the Holy Spirit understands everything we think/believe/confess and He does not beat us down if we do not get to go to Sunday meeting. For that is what we Christians do at meetings on Sunday.

But what was done if the Jews did not follow the laws of the Sabbath?

For to live up to what Jesus died for us, May we have fellowship in the Spirit as here in one example Fhilippians 2:1-4

The law that has now been replaced by stone tablets is now directed into our hearts. So really, we only need One to teach us.

He Is A Full Good Teacher. The Holy Spirit.

Romans 5:5

Ezekiel 36:26

This was done so that we would be justified, but then another study begins. Then I'm pretty sure the elders in here have something good to say. Be blessed in Jesus name, love u in Christ

Isaiah 46:10,

Genesis 1, Hebrews 1:10,

Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:13, John 1:1-5, Ephesians 3:9, Colossians 1:18, Luke 24:27, Revelation 3:14, Revelation 1:8,

Psalms 80:15-17, symbolic? Genesis 2, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, John 15,

Isaiah 53, Luke 23, Psalms 22, Mark 15:34, Mark 15, in context

Hebrews 9:24-28,

The last, 1Corinthians 15:45, Romans 5:12-21, John 19:30,

Hopefully these are all helpful in your study