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When "The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us," He laid aside His Divine prerogatives or privileges. Jesus "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men," says that He emptied Himself, but not of His divinity. There was a song many decades ago called, "He Could Have Called Ten-thousand Angels." Instead, "He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

Jesus had a human nature but He also had a divine nature. He was fully human and fully divine. He had no sin nature as we do. He did many things by His own power as well as relying of The Father and The Spirit. He had ALL His divine attributes.

We all know what jesus accomplished ... what i would like to know is how he did it. ???????????????

What is the gospel of reconciliation ????

Mankind was cursed the day Adam chose to be his own God,

Jesus overcame the curse, he was tempted in all points such as we are yet without sin,

He always did those things which pleased his father.

Jesus never gave himself to the lusts of the flesh, the lust of the eyes or the pride of life.

HE NEVER KNEW INIQUITY,

Ironic that Even Jesus could not accomplish what he did with out the spirit of his father abiding in him..

Beatrice,

"Why is the shedding of blood need for the taking away sin"

Because the principle established in Eden was a life for life. "the wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23. "for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof" Leviticus 17:14, God has instructed us that blood is sacrosanct, that is, it has meaning beyond function.

Sinful Adam and Eve covered themselves with a lesser species of creation, as did sinful Satan. By the grace of God, he gave them a temporary acceptable covering, reflecting to Adam and Eve that his justice will be

done. "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin" Romans 5:12. In Eden it was God who demonstrated death for Adam and Eve and established the meaning of a blood sacrifice. The works of man has

no standing in God's performance of absolute justice.

Hi Sheryl, I second what Mild Bill said, and to add to that, If a person is living in sin he or she might want to examine themselves, they shouldn't be in bondage to sin. Romans 6:1-6. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 8:10-15. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Thanks

Prayer for Healthy Smiles to fix my son's Steven Austin, Jr's teeth today and give him medicine so he can feel the pain and his teeth be back normal. Prayer for all of my children Gabriel, Lamontriel, Ladextrius, Neshun, Steven Jr and my brother Christopher to be healed from drugs and alcohol and prayer for my brother Steven Hines, Sr to be released from jail and prison and for them all and my grandson Gabrielto be saved, sanctified and filled with The Holy Ghost and live the predestined life that God has predestined and protected and Blood covered in The Blood of Jesus Christ.

Pray for my body to be completely Heal from top of my head to souls of my feet according to the word by his stripes being healed. That I will be hidden in the word and the word be satiated in me that I might know and do His will .

Can you guide me to scriptures on the Christian journey life takes walking with God, not being alone

Psalms 118:8

"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man."

Salvation is by the grace of God. Eph.2:8&9. Emulation is not the path to salvation, but instead, a false doctrine which you are teaching. Your omission of gospel truth is obvious, as you talk about yourself, not a question of interpreting.

I know whom. 1Tim1:12

Brother Mild Bill,

Thanks for your comments, but you're completely misinterpreting what I have written about our Lord Jesus - Jesus is God and besides Jesus there is none other. I believe you believe in the Trinity - a false doctrine. I believe Jesus is our God, Lord and Savior.

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Now tell me what you believe, if you don't mine.

Robert Malit,

I've read your other posts and facination with the supernatural, so I know what it is that your find thrilling about Jesus. As Simon of Samaria was mistaken, you are also. You may will yourself to "live in his image", and dupe others to believe as you do, basically a Catholiscism teaching, but you need salvation by the grace of God, through the sacrifice of his son on the cross, and as of now, I see you enmeshed in a works based faith. Jesus is more importantly the Savior, who has paid in full the price for sinners to be saved. Not some model or simply a teacher with a method for us to enter heaven. Adding your work to his, means in effect, he has not done enough to pay for all your sins. Is that really what you believe?

Mild Bill,

Thanks for your comments. I am not suggesting anything. I simply summarized what our Lord Jesus has done for us, as a man, not as God, model to follow so we can live in his image or likeness.

Robert Malit,

Are you suggesting Jesus had something to repent of in baptism, he was born again? You also seem to misunderstand the distinction between his diety and humanity. As I pointed to in my previous post, you don't know everything, which God does. As believers are indwelt of the Holy Spirit, a potential of knowledge exists, but revelation is only of the will of God, the Sovereign of creation. Emulation of Jesus is a self-willed imitation "monkey see, monkey do" approach to what God has told us he is doing in our lives here on Earth, namely, changing our character, and thus the heart, to resemble Christ. Jesus is a superman, unique, then, now and forever. Would you also claim to be God? Which do you find most thrilling about Jesus, his supernatural powers or his personality? Yes, you could avoid answering by saying both.

Brother Mild Bill, the disciples were regular men like us today. The difference is they personally lived and walked, talked, witnessed Jesus performed miracles for 3 years. Today, each of us, learn this from reading the gospel - written word of God in the Bible. So God has given us a much better perspective, to learn more about our Lord Jesus.

Consider this, Our Lord Jesus has dual nature - God and man, but mostly living, preaching, healing as a man. Notice that when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist to fulfill all righteousness, immersed under water in the Jordan River as to repentance, dead to sins, when rose from the water as to new birth the Holy Spirit descended upon him, then Spirit led him into the wilderness, fasted 40 days 40 nights and tempted by Satan - passed perfection tests thereafter recruited the 12 disciples and preached the gospel, healing the sick, casting demons - nothing was impossible for Jesus as a man - a model for us to emulate.

If Jesus did this as God, it is impossible for men like us to emulate, so Jesus had done it as a man. During this time frame, 12 disciples doesn't have the Holy Spirit indwelling in their hearts yet - so this explain why they had very limited understanding - human understanding.

Robert Malit, "12 DISCIPLES OF JESUS DIDN'T KNOW HIM. WHY?"

Depth of understanding and recognition is a quality that matures in time. We do not know everything about God, but in eternity a continuing revelation will occur, and even then, there is always more about God, because he is God our Creator, and not another creature of limited magnitude. Even you have a question, because you lack understanding, get it?

12 DISCIPLES OF JESUS DIDN'T KNOW HIM. WHY?

John 14:9 Context 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do;

I think when Jesus is speaking to Nicodemas in John 3, he tells him that he must be born again to understand that which is spiritual.

Through Adams fall, that spiritual connection (life) was forfeited until The Death of Jesus paid for the sins of every human being ever born. "God so loved the World..."

Unbelievers are walking spiritually dead.

We must be born again. The gift of spiritual life cannot be given until the the spiritually dead Receive the Gift...which is Jesus Christ. We receive this life by pure faith. And then the Holy Spirit comes alongside the receiver of the Gift, to reveal Jesus's life in us.

He lives on the throne of our newborn, spiritually connected hearts. The more of our life we give to Jesus; the more of His life he will reveal to you. In the Book of Revelation it is called, First Love. Revelation 2:4

Mishael

Where does the Bible verse,"... walking yet dead" found?

In the Old Testament economy, God had ordained that the sacrifice of animals were necessary in regards to man's dealing with sin & God's observance of it. It's not really a matter of God being Holy & a Spirit Being & animals being flesh & blood. It's a case of what was appropriate at that time to deal with sin.

As you know, that all sin is detestable to God & those who commit sin (i.e. all of us), have broken God's Law & Design, & the "wages (payment) of our sin is death" ( Romans 6:23). But God in His great Love didn't want us to perish into Hell (which was created for the Devil & his angels). He wanted us, His creation made in His Likeness, to have every opportunity to be saved from such a place & be with Him forever, worshipping Him.

So when sin reigned in mankind & particularly so in His chosen people, Israel, God in Love, instituted a sacrificial system, whereby through the sacrifice of pure, clean animals, Israel would recognize their sin & the need to make a (temporary) payment for it & by doing so, God would be appeased & not destroy them. So, why use animals, you ask?

Well, Hebrews 9:22 says: "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." Since man would have to pay for his sins by dying (i.e. giving up of his life as punishment), God ordered that a pure animal, unstained by sin, could be his substitute in death. That is, by the shedding of an animal's blood, Israel's blood would not be shed (i.e. sent to hell). It's sad for the animal, but it meant that for its life, man's (Israel's) life could be spared. Yet this was only temporary until God brought in His Own Sacrifice that would no longer be a temporary covering & temporary forgiveness, but would be permanent in every way. So, in answer to your question, it would no longer be an 'earthly' sacrifice, but a Heavenly One, coming out of the Being of God as the Son of God, the Perfect Sacrifice sent to redeem both Israel & us back to God forever.

Lou, the RCC view of the Lord's Supper or Sacrament is a little complicated. What was a simple meal shared together in the Upper Room by the Lord & His disciples, or when the early Church observed as a meal during which time a remembrance of the Lord was made, has now been modified & re-interpreted in other ways. Those not of the RCC view the Lord's Table as simply a memorial 'feast' to remember the Lord's Sacrifice through the emblems which denote His broken Body & shed Blood.

To the Roman Catholic, the Sacrament is substantially much more. It essentially involves the Presence of Christ & the transmission of the Grace of Christ. Though RCs are able to support these with Scriptures, it becomes a case of how the Scriptures are given & meant to be understood. The same with the Apostle Peter as being the first pope, from whom the papal line succeeds.

You're correct, that each time the Eucharist is celebrated, Jesus is crucified (a renewed sacrifice) as the bread & wine are materially changed, though unobserved, into Christ's Body & Blood. And through this act & belief, fresh grace (indeed grace upon grace) is also transmitted whereby the person is brought into a state of belief that the more he can get of Christ, will be for his greater spiritual blessing & absolution of sins. Your observance of such a belief as being rife with errors is correct. When one sees other facets of the RCC, with its robed priests, incense burning, statues, rosary & many more, they suggest the need of much paraphernalia to bolster or support faith & adoration. However, as we come to God in faith, it must be evident that our faith must be sufficient to approach God, to speak to Him, to expect of Him, to be accepted of Him. Anything else added to this negates faith & brings in 'works', which is incompatible to (justification through) faith & a walk & worship in faith.

Romans 6:9,10, "For in that he died, he died unto sin ONCE: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." Hebrews 7:24-27.

Mike, "death is unreal" - Death is very real, in fact, there is a second death. Revelation 20:14 The first death is separation from the body/Earth, and the second is eternal separation from God and to the eternal torment. "The wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23 Very real, and nobody else in the scriptures had more to say about hell and damnation than Jesus.

Linda, to answer your question simply put, no. Jesus said in ( John 3:3) "Verily, verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he can not see the kingdom of God." meaning that we must some how be reborn to go to heaven. Some will assert that ( John 3:5) shows that we must be baptized by water, and receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit to be saved, This is easily refuted with scripture. Remember God cannot lie ( Titus 1:2) Therefore, Scripture cannot contradict itself. If God required baptism for salvation, then Jesus Christ lied to the thief on the cross. ( Luke 23:43) Jesus IS God ( John 1:1). He CANNOT lie. God made the way to heaven very simple, so easy that even a child can understand and accept. It is not based on our works ( Ephesians 2:8-9) but on our faith in Christ and His FINISHED work on the cross. We must first understand that we are a sinner in need of a Savior. ( Romans 3:23) ... When we see that there is a penalty for our sin. ( Romans 6:23) That we cannot pay the penalty on our own, but Jesus Christ, loved us so much that He came, lived the perfect life, fulfilled the law, and became sin for us on the cross to pay our sin debt for us. ( Romans 5:8) Then believing the gospel by faith, we accept the GIFT of God, confess our belief in Him, and ask Him to save us. ( Romans 10:9-13) There are MEN who will take God's gift and want to say that in order to receive it you will need to do this or that, but whenever we add WORKS to the equation the GIFT ceases to be a gift. Repentance is a turning from self and a turning toward Christ.

In Romans 11:25, we read, "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

This verse, nor any other verse by inference, does not suggest that all people will be saved prior to Christ's coming, but that all who are 'appointed' (or, pre-destined, or better understood as, destined according to God's foreknowledge) by God to attain salvation (whether Jew or Gentile) will have come to salvation prior to the close of the age. So there will still be people that will turn to Christ for salvation after Jesus comes for His children who are saved now, but in that last day of the closure of all things, all who are appointed for salvation will be with Christ & God, & those who reject Him are consigned to an eternity of suffering & separation.

What is said about cremation.

Trying to find out if and where in the King James Bible it talks about when the last person is saved God will have Jesus return

I'm sorry for the slow reply. Thanks for your patience & gracious words earlier. I think you agree w/me insofar as whatever I've written that is Biblical, but God should get the credit.

What you ascribe to Lordship Salvation (LS) ("a correct understanding" of the Word) is what belongs to the true Gospel of grace, & what you describe is salvation (s) & discipleship (d) intermixed. LS teaches that d is part of & is basically proof of s. If so, then Paul would've not been saved (re. his flesh & sin in Rom. 7). We should want to obey God, but not one of us does this perfectly due to our flesh & the abuse of our free will.

Easy Believism is wrong, but so is LS. They are 2 faulty extremes of understanding the Gospel.

LSists at least imply that s is kept by good works. There tends to be a lot of double-talk. Beyond the links of my 1st msg., here I give 2 very condensed ex.'s.

"...[B]ut the keeping of the commandments is an instrument-a necessary instrument-through which the grace of God flows and keeps us in Christ, the principle of reward for us. Thus, we have to keep the commandments to be saved, but we understand it is only through grace that we can do so...St. Paul makes clear that if Christians allow themselves to be dominated by their 'flesh,' or lower nature, they will not make it to heaven...Here [re. Gal. 6:7] St. Paul teaches that through good works, or continuing to "sow to the Spirit," we will be rewarded with eternal life, but only if we persevere." - "Are Good Works Necessary for Salvation?" by Tim Staples (dated 4/30/15)

In "Faith, Works, and Regeneration, Paul Washer" (video-10/4/12 by "MrHarms" on YouTube), @ the 1:34-1:39 marks, Washer said, "If you don't have works, you're going to hell." Re. apple trees (at); I think that an at w/o fruit is still an at, for it has at DNA. See whole vids for context. (This 1 is an excerpt from "Paul Washer Evangelistic Message - DSFC 2012 (1-12-12)" (video-1/17/12 by "GraceBaptist1689").)

Hope this helps, & thanks!

Read Luke 24:47 then in the New Testament it is fulfilled in Acts 2:38. "Repent & be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins & ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost". It is both water baptism & the Holy Ghost. Jesus spoke what was needed to enter into the kingdom of God in John 3:5. Water baptism is in Mark 16:16. Romans 6:3-8. Colossions 2. And 1st Peter3:18-21. Even in the old testament, the parting of the Red sea was a type of water baptism. Same as Noahs ark. Pls read it in the Bible. Jesus said in Matthew 28 "For this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins". Acts 2:38 is the New Testament salvation as we love the Lord w all our heart, soul, & mind; & we must love our neighbor as thyself. Those 2 are commands. Without love for one another we will not make it to the kingdom. We must love as he does. We must crucify the flesh daily. Allow the Spirit to lead us. God is Spirit & those that worship him must worship him in Spirit & in truth.

Hi Bill, you raised an interesting question the way you put it, I would like to comment, I think we are born dead in trespasses and sin, We have been given the law which is to show us we come up short of Gods requirement for salvation, Now the wages of sin is death, Jesus died on the cross and paid for the sins of the world for all who believe. We who believe was put in Christ and baptised in his death, and when he rose from the dead we were raised with him in newness of life, " Romans 6:3-4. That's why the scripture says we must be born again, "born from above" now we have been sent a savior, "Jesus Christ" now we are given a "choice" if we accept his redemptive blood or not, now i don't know if you call that free will or choice.