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Dear Joy, if you have been born again, He is your Father and your Friend.

How to be born again.

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

Hi John.

Here's the verse you mentioned in context. Picking it up from the previous verse. John 11:25-26. Jesus said unto her, I AM THE RESURRECTION, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

I believe the Lord is talking about the second death as seen here in Revelation.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Revelation 2:11.

Also Revelation 20:6.

When we are born again we are Identified with Christ death. "Baptism. Romans 6:2-6.

Christ is the first fruit.

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

1 Corinthians 15:20-23.

It means we won't face judgment.

God bless.

Luke 16:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.

Psalms 86:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Shew me a token for good; that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed: because thou, LORD, hast holpen me, and comforted me.

Titus 2:8 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

Jeremiah 14:4 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Because the ground is chapt, for there was no rain in the earth, the plowmen were ashamed, they covered their heads.

Psalms 34:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed.

Psalms 74:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name.

Psalms 25:2 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.

1 Peter 4:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Romans 6:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

Isaiah 45:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

Hosea 10:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

It shall be also carried unto Assyria for a present to king Jareb: Ephraim shall receive shame, and Israel shall be ashamed of his own counsel.

The comparision statements make clear the very real literal place of hell; and therefore nothing in this life is worth holding onto that will send us there. We need first of all to understand that God formed man perfect in all his ways; but our sin nature and outward sins come from the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Those things which enter the mind therefore would constitute the eye; and the hand all things which we take action on in order to gratify the sin nature. Job was able to restrain the sin of lust by a covenant with his eyes as it were not to look at a woman with lust apart from his wife. We also need to consider the paralytic who Christ healed after many years of suffering; he was told to sin no more lest something worse happened to him which no doubt would indicate physical; and subsequent spiritual death. He didn't have functioning body parts; nonetheless whatever sin caused the state in his particular instance perpetuated through his sinful soul; mind and heart.

In another sense; we are not supposed to not let our left hand know what our right hand is doing ( Matthew 6:3). Just as we are to have open hands; not closed fists when it comes to our possessions; our body is the Temple of the Lord in a sense; and we are to submit our members to His Lordship ( Romans 6:13 loosely translated). We were bought with a price; not of our own.

Nonetheless; true repentance although given by God who puts the desire in our heart to turn to serving and worshipping Him; our part is to die to self. This separates the true believer from those who are not producing fruit but for a time part of the church (as a useless member of the vine). So; mortifying the deeds of the flesh involves a continuing sanctification process which starts at the day of our salvation; and is continued until our death or the rapture. Even saved people grow at different rates; and are subject to falling into sin. He chastises all He loves ( Heb. 12:6); but not the goats.

1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

This could be a very extended subject, I'm sure you would agree.

Romans 6:9 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

To All saints:

Grow in grace and keep the righteousness of faith. The gift of grace and the grace of God always in your heart. We already won. We are just waiting for our redemption when Jesus meets us in the cloud. Stay healthy and keep reading the Bible. It is exciting to see all of you in the cloud.

We walk in the Spirit of God.

The bible says that all sin will pay off in death. So in God eyes there is no little sin or big sin, all sin without repentance will lead everyone into hell fire if we don't repent. No sin is bigger than the other.

For me to step on your toe is no sin its an accident, for me to stomp your toe and hurt you is no accident its a sin and a Christian won't stomp your toe. But a Christian may step on your toe by accident. Does it hurt if I step on your toe - YES, could I have avoided it maybe, but I should say i'm sorry and try not to do it again.

Yes Judas was called and chosen ( John 6:70) Judas sold our SAVIOR for $$$ - (went to far no chance to repent), and Peter denied him there are greater sins than others.

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art (converted), strengthen thy brethren. 62 And Peter went out, and wept bitterly.

Dear Victor,

If you are saved, form the habit of daily devotions--praying and reading the Bible, including studying the Gospel of John which teaches Jesus's deity, and what the Apostles Peter and Paul wrote about growing strong in our walk with Christ Hebrews 5:11-6:12, 1 Cor. 3:1-4, 10-15, Eph 4:11-16, 1 Pet. 2:1-3, 2 Pet.1:3-10. When you sin, ask forgiveness and repent from ever doing it again. Jesus's blood is sufficient to cover all your sins. 1John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Ask Him to search your heart, know your thoughts to see if there be any wickedness in you, and show you the way to walk. Psalms 139:23, 24 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. Confess, repent, and your sins will be blotted out.

If you are not born again, that is, not saved, here is the way to salvation:

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

Erich did an excellent job using scripture to interpret scripture. However, you appear to just be saying you're right, but there's still no biblical support. You're saying that John 10:28 is absolute based on your rational, but, not grounded in scriptures. You're saying everyone just needs to believe John 10:28 is a OSAS verse, even though that is not even what Christ was intending. He was admonishing the Jewish leaders who refused to come to the light. Yet, you did not address the fact the John 10:27 is also ABSOLUTE and only the one following Jesus is safe in the hand of God.

Having to remain in the Son to remain in the Father for eternal life ( 1 John 2:24-25) doesn't negate the promise that all who are being saved are in the Father's hand. You said "We are ALL bought with a price, we are NOT our own...He paid for us with his own blood". If this is the case, why is not everyone just automatically saved? After all, Christ's atoning death was for the whole world. And if one genuinely accepts Christ & then renounces him, why would that person still have eternal life & the one who never accepted Christ lost? After all, they both ended up denying Jesus ( Matt. 10:32-33).

It seems like you're taking bible verses regarding Christ's one time sacrifice for the entire world and trying to apply that to individual believers. Yes, Christ shed his blood once for all, but, that does not mean the believer doesn't have an obligation to remain faithful. Rev. 2:10 says " be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." This is a conditional promise from Christ, so I must conclude that the one who is safe in the hand of God is the one who is remaining faithful to Christ. And the one faithful to the end will receive the end of their faith, eternal life ( Romans 6:22; 1 Peter 1:9)

Christians are assured of salvation & should take great joy in the promise of God to keep them in His hand! However, to inherit eternal life one must endure to the end.

Thanks Marke, Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: It is important to die (with Christ to ourselves) so that the new life of the Holy Spirit can reign and bring forth fruit to perfection. Romans 8 is a chapter on the work of the Spirit and our need to be led of it. Otherwise we get in the way of God working in us and are carnally minded. Good chance those among the rocks and thorns were professing Christians with shallow conversions (building on sand) Mat. 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

Dear David, the Bible is clear about forgiveness of sins: 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." This verse is to assure that our sins are forgiven when we become born again and that when we sin after being saved.

If you are saved, form the habit of daily devotions--praying and reading the Bible, including studying the Gospel of John which teaches Jesus's deity, and what the Apostles Peter and Paul wrote about growing strong in our walk with Christ Hebrews 5:11-6:12, 1 Cor. 3:1-4, 10-15, Eph 4:11-16, 1 Pet. 2:1-3, 2 Pet.1:3-10. When you sin, ask forgiveness and repent from ever doing it again.

If you are not born again, that is, not saved, here is the way to salvation:

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

Salvation is a gift from God. The Blood He shed on the Cross, the Faith we had to repent and received His Grace...to be born again only truly happens once. You cannot undo what God has done. Only God had that power and He never says in His Word that Salvation could be removed.

Read the words from Dr. Ray Stanford (1916-2012) and he once said, "The moment you are saved, you become a member of the body of Christ. If you could ever become unsaved, part of Christ's own body would go to hell"

Now, what does the Holy KJV Bible say?

We are clearly taught from God's Word that works are NOT essential to our salvation. Titus 3:5 states... "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us..." And again in Ephesians 2:8,9 we are told, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." We are all Hell-deserving sinners! We do NOT have anything to do with salvation except to receive God's free gift by FAITH. Salvation is receiving, NOT giving.

If I cannot do good works to get saved,

then how can I do bad works to lose salvation?

Jesus said in John 10:28, "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." - 1st John 5:13

Some believe because Salvation is eternal...we could go back to sin without consequence. No, there are grave consequences and we do not have a sin license because we have eternal security:

"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid." - Romans 6:15

Be of peace, live a Holy life risen in Christ, read your Bible as they are our instructions for life and God bless you!

Dear Ringo, below are verses and instructions on how to be born again.

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

I'm lifting you up to God. May you be born again and live for our Mighty God.

I have wondered how believing in the "finished work" of Christ is a doctrine of the Bible. When Christ died and said "it is finished" he could have meant a lot of things (his life was ended, his suffering was over, the sacrifice for sin was done etc.), but the Bible doesn't teach us just to believe in the "finished work". Since we live in an entitlement society I fear that we use that phrase to apply to us that we no longer have to labor in his kindgom. I listed a few of the teachings and promises of the Bible that apply to our response to his death on cross. Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. We are justified by faith (a total belief in what God has said, commanded, done etc.). Hebrews 11 the faith chapter talks of faith having a response. James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Mat. 25 has several examples of people that were lost at the end of time because they didn't do God's work even though they had a certain knowledge of Him. Faith obviously has to precede anything we do, but if time allows us to labor God expects that of us. Let's all be "wise virgins".

Beware of anyone giving you answers that aren't in the Bible. For example if someone says yes to your question and if the Bible doesn't say that, then that sounds more like one person's opinion rather than anything from God. But we are trying to learn God's position on this not mans, right? The Bible doesn't specifically address this question, but it does say that even people who expect and feel entitled to get to heaven won't get in. Matthew 7:21. So, many people will be horrified to learn that they put their hope and trust in the wrong thing, or that they weren't even real followers of Jesus to begin with. They should have been following Jesus and His teachings and taking it to heart, not the teachings of the world (satan). So, given that most people will not make it to heaven, is it likely that someone who commits such a defiant sin against God will be warmly welcomed with great rewards? So, someone wants to intentionally destroy God's creation right in front of His face then the next moment beg for mercy and forgiveness from the intentional act of defiance? I don't see these two things as being congruent. My answer is "not yes" to your question and someone considering this act should deeply search what his or her priorities are. God likely has greater plans and purposes for the person they are not even remotely aware of. For someone to blatantly sin, disobey and defy God and His Will is evil. Grace is not an excuse to commit intentional sin. Hebrews 10:26-31, Hebrews 6:4-6, James 2:14-26, John 14:15, Romans 6:1-2. God bless.

Hi Dear Sis GIGI,

Thanks for reaching out on this Blessed of ALL Days! Doing well, and thanks for asking. Hope you and all the regulars are doing well, and I hope you are healing, and typing with 2 hands again. Praise the Lord!

Romans 6:4

"Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

God Bless You.

What is Salvation? "Asked by Lala."

"Answer"

Salvation is life!

Salvation is a new creation in you performed by God.

Salvation is when "GOD TRANSFORM YOU" after you truly believing and trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ. You have been transformed from dead to life. we're not perfect but we are transformed.

Here's a few old testament scripture that gives a description of salvation and how it's performed.

Deuteronomy 30:6. And the LORD thy God will CIRCUMCISE thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. "Here you see the lord cutting away filthy flesh from your heart."

vs. 8. " This is what God causes you to do after cutting away the "flesh".

"And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day."

Jeremiah 24:7.

Jeremiah 31:33-34.

Jeremiah 32:38-40.

"I like vs 40! Eternal Security found in the old testament!

( And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me)

Ezekiel 11:19.

Ezekiel 36:25. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I CLEANSE YOU.

Ezekiel 36:26-27. "Salvation is a cleansing!"

Salvation is a transformation by Gods spirit in you, and that comes by way of Jesus.

New Testament references.

John 15:1-8.

John 10:27-29.

John 6:45.

Ephesians 2:1-10.

Philippians 1:6.

Colossians 3:10.

Romans 6:17-18.

God bless.

Hi Lala.

Salvation is life!

Salvation is a new creation in you performed by God.

Salvation is when "GOD TRANSFORM YOU" after you truly believing and trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ. You have been transformed from dead to life. we're not perfect but we are transformed.

Here's a few old testament scripture that gives a description of salvation.

Deuteronomy 30:6. And the LORD thy God will CIRCUMCISE thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. "Here you see the lord cutting away filthy flesh from your heart."

vs. 8. " This is what God causes you to do after cutting away the "flesh".

"And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day."

Jeremiah 24:7.

Jeremiah 31:33-34.

Jeremiah 32:38-40.

Ezekiel 11:19.

Ezekiel 36:25. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I CLEANSE YOU.

Ezekiel 36:26-27. "Salvation is a cleansing!"

Salvation is a transformation by Gods spirit in you, and that comes by way of Jesus.

New Testament references.

John 15:1-8.

John 10:27-29.

John 6:45.

Ephesians 2:1-10.

Philippians 1:6.

Colossians 3:10.

Romans 6:17-18.

I know this is a lot,

I pray you read over them.

God bless.

the word "salvation" concerns an eternal, spiritual deliverance. When Paul told the Philippian jailer what he must do to be saved, he was referring to the jailer's eternal destiny ( Acts 16:30-31). Jesus equated being saved with entering the kingdom of God ( Matthew 19:24-25).

What are we saved from? In the Christian doctrine of salvation, we are saved from "wrath," that is, from God's judgment of sin ( Romans 5:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:9). Our sin has separated us from God, and the consequence of sin is death ( Romans 6:23). Biblical salvation refers to our deliverance from the consequence of sin and therefore involves the removal of sin.

Who does the saving? Only God can remove sin and deliver us from sin's penalty ( 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5).

How does God save? In the Christian doctrine of salvation, God has rescued us through Christ ( John 3:17). Specifically, it was Jesus' death on the cross and subsequent resurrection that achieved our salvation ( Romans 5:10; Ephesians 1:7). Scripture is clear that salvation is the gracious, undeserved gift of God ( Ephesians 2:5, 8) and is only available through faith in Jesus Christ ( Acts 4:12).

The wages of sin is death but there is no Biblical reference that suggests eternal life is payment of a wage, or payment for something earned by the sinner.

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The scripture tells you: Luke 3:1-22, note Luke 3:16, Matthew 3:1-17, note Matthew 3:11-17, John 3:27-36,

Romans 6:3, Mark 10:38,

Acts 8:12-17, Acts 11:16, Acts 19:1-5, Acts 2:38,

Amen Brother Jesse.

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Romans 6:3.

Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. John 14:19-20.

When Christ rose we came alive!!

We're in Christ and Christ dies no more.

God bless.

Thank you for this very relevant message Kay and GiGi.

These are the verses I would recommend to someone who is curious about what the Bible says about any substance abuse (over-eating, alcohol, drug addition, lusts of the flesh, etc). It's a bondage and as much as it leads to a spiritual death...it most certainly can/will lead to a much more abrupt physical death.

Romans 6:16

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

If our members be yielded to substance...which route will it lead to: death or of obedience unto righteousness? There is nonsuch righteous in smoking but only an eventual death as we destroy the temple which God has given to us.

Not to sound hypocritical either...some years back I was given into smoking (not cigarettes but something far worse). That which I did affected not only my spiritual body but the Spiritual. I sincerely believe that God's going to judge me swiftly for these things too. I fear God and I know that will be a day of shame for me. But, I had a choice not to do it and I disobeyed. You too have a choice and there's always time to quit. Place 100% of yourself in Christ Jesus and His Word. There is no cure great than Jesus Christ and His Golden Gospel.

The subject of suffering in the world is something that we humans struggle with, so for sure, your struggle, John, is a very common one. :)

There are a couple of thoughts I'd like to share, if I may.

First of all, when I see suffering, it reminds me of the seriousness of sin. From the beginning, sin causes death. God warned our first parents that if they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they would surely die; and they surely did die spiritually for their disobedience.

We too, learn in Romans 6:23 that the wages of sin is death. It is sin that brings death and misery into this world. When I see the headlines - they scream out, "SIN!" What misery sin brings upon lives! The sinner himself or herself is injured by it, and most often - others are injured by it! Sin brings its own punishment, and it always has consequences!

Secondly, our Good God allow suffering to be his 'sheep dogs' that often drive wandering souls back to Him. David said in Psalm 119:67, "Before I was AFFLICTED, I went astray." When everything is going well - how quickly we wander far from God in our vain confidence! Remember - when Israel prospered and 'waxed fat', THEN 'they kicked against the Lord" in idolatry!!

Thirdly, the problems and suffering of this world help us to long for the new heavens and earth, wherein righteousness will dwell. The suffering here makes us wish for 'there'!! The suffering 'here' hinders us from desiring to put our roots down here, and hinders us from making this sad world our 'all in all", which is a BLESSING! How tragic for those who love this world and the things in it! It is all a delusion, and it is all passing away!

May the Lord help you understand the good that can be found even in suffering, John. :)

Blessings!

Dear Marvin: if you have been born again, that is saved, allow me to suggest you study the Gospel of John which teaches the deity of Jesus, and the verses written by the Apostles Paul and Peter which show us how to grow stronger in our walk with Jesus Hebrews 5:11-6:12, 1 Cor. 3:1-4, 10-15, Eph 4:11-16, 1 Pet. 2:1-3, 2 Pet.1:3-10.

Jesus said in John 3:3 "Ye must be born again to enter the kingdom of Heaven."

What the Bible says about being saved.

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



How to be born again

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

God bless you on your journey for Christ.

Yes,

Matthew 25:31-46, 2Thessalonians 1,

Matthew 18:8, John 3:36, Jude 1:6, Revelation 20,

Please read :

John 3:15-17, Matthew 19:29, John 5:24, John 6:27,47, Romans 6:22,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hi again Ravina.

To put it in context with the verse you supplied and to be direct.

I begin with "Sin" separates us from God.

Jesus is to you, me and the WHOLE world the propitiation for our sins. 1 John 2:2.

Here's the definition for Propitiation.

Greek:

Transliteration: hilasmos

Pronunciation: hil-as-mos'

Definition: atonement that is (concretely) an expiator: - propitiation.

KJV Usage: propitiation.

To expiate is to make amends or reparation for; atone for: expiate one's sins by acts of penance. To make amends; atone.

"The penalty of sin has been paid"

Here's how John the baptist describes him.

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 1:29.

Now, to put my first reply in harmony with this post,

Though Jesus is our propitiation for our sins, we must accept him and believe this good news.

"The Gospel".

1 Corinthians 15:3-4.

Romans 10:9-10. ect...

If we reject this good news here's our fate.

Hebrews 10:26-27. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

When we have been truly born again we're given the a new nature and power over sin.

Romans 6:20-22. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Hi Ravina.

I believe you are referring to

1 John 2:2 And he is the PROPITIATION for our sins: and not for our's only, BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

Christ is an expiator. our atonement.

This is made available but we must be careful not to deceive ourselves.

If one have been truly born again he/she has been transformed and habitual sin not present in their life.

I believe we should also consider

Romans 6:1-11. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Likewise "RECKON" ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I believe Paul is telling us to Recognize that we are dead to sin!

and it shouldn't have a hold on you.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Hello Sue!

Yes! Please look at Mark 16:16 " he who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."

Yes this makes it very plain.

With that said are there exceptios?

Yes! Remember the two that was crucify with Jesus. Remember 1 I had said if you or the son of God save yourself and us. But the other their said Lord remember me. Christ told him he will be with him in his Fathers kingdom. Was he baptized? No. But his faith in Jesus saved him.

Here are more scriptures you can read on the subject.

Romans 6:4

Eph. 4:5

Mark 1:9-10

John 3:23

1Peter 2:21

Is it a matter of personal opinion? Yes! But not yours or mine. But is Christ's command.

Go to John 3:5

"Unless one is horned of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Hope this helps my friend.

If you need more let me know.

God bless my friend.