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It is a true confession of a true christian, received the call since 1995, but still fear to step in because i know i have that fleshy weakness

What is sin Sin is the transcration of law i understand that as long as ther is law ppl will sin specialy those who walk in de flesh de bible declares that flesh will not enter the kingdom of God so we ought to worship the master in spirit and in truth because he deserve such worship

Shall we send GOD forbade Don t think that the spirit of GOD will let you or lead you to sin We are delivered from the law because we are in JESUS and not in sin The law is a ritual where the flesh had to perform to feel he was righteous In JESUS I am righteous because JESUS IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD There JESUS continually performs the work of GOD in me that he began until the day of JESUS CHRIST Don t be deceived we are to worship GOD in spirit and in truth The deliverance from the law is not liberty to sin GOD IS HOLY BE YE HOLY FOR I AM HOLY SANCTIFY YOURSELF AND THE GOD OF PEACE WILL SANCTIFY YOU HOLY

i understand where paul is coming from we shall always struggle with the flesh in this life but when we pass over to the other side and jesus receives us into his arms we shall truly be free from the claws of sin victory in jesus

i understand where paul is coming from we shall always struggle with the flesh in this life but when we pass over to rhe other side and jesus receives into his arms we shall truly be free from the claws of sin victory in jesus

we are no more under the law, which bring forth death; the spirit bring forth life though Jesus Christ. If you want to live get Jesus get the holy ghost in Jesus there is life. Grace and truth came though Jesus Christ.

we fulfill Romans 7:14 in Christ, we are complete in Him

@ Vanessa So many Christian church goers claim they can't cease from sin. Jesus died so we could conquer sin in our lives. To have the victory you must read your kjv Bible daily. Jesus said my words are spirit and they are life.'. If you pour yourself into reading you will find new strength in your spirit and will be able to overcome. Commit your works unto God and your thoughts will be established.

I Thank the Lord for Jesus Christ : Through Him I am not longer bound to the old nature in me : God has brought me alive : I am alive to God!!!!!

I am about to teach Sunday School this weekend about judgement, and this will help prove that only God can do this fairly. We are not qualified as the verse will prove.
Thank You

I think of this scripture often. I can remember most of the words, but I can't always remember where to find it. I apply it to my life. I don't know if I'm just having a pity party for myself.
I know very well what's right and wrong, but always find myself, doing the wrong thing, or saying the wrong words. I'm not a bad person. I don't drink or smoke or do any illegal drugs, but I don't attend church as I should. I go to bible study as much as my physical health would allow. I don't know. I think it's mostly guilt I feel for avoiding to worship with others. I don't know why. What's wrong with me. I know that going to church on Sunday is traditional, and also necessary for my relationship with God.

(My comment to Lopez garvens): your still in the flesh because your even now claiming it... John 6:63, it's the Spirit that gives Life, the flesh counts for nothing, John 5-30, Jesus: In the flesh I can do nothing, as I hear... John 3:8, those born of the Spirit, it is like the wind. Right after Jesus recieved The Spirit like a dove descending on Him, it's states right after that He Was (led), into the desert for 40 days, The Holy Spirit takes you to places you do not want to go...that's the proof were not in the flesh, he didn't go into the desert for 40 days to find a Starbucks... As he hears... In the flesh, like Jesus, He was told by The Spirit to go, so He went, we choose to live in our flesh. You want evidence your not in the flesh, be willing to go where the Holy Spirit tells you, the same is for me, you, even Jesus...

even though we have been born again by the holy incorruptible seed of the word of god we still live in fleshly bodies and our flesh or the carnal nature is always trying to dictate to us what to do or obey the lust or desire of the flesh

(This is my response to "NOT TRUE" comments. The issue is not whether the law is good or not. The issure is in our inability to keep the law. As Paul said in Romans 7: "I don't understand myself at all, for I really want to do what is right, but I don't do it. Instead, I do the very thing I hate." Then he says, "But I can't help myself, because it is sin inside me that makes me do these evil things."

So how can we "be perfect" as Matthew 5:48 tells us to? We do this by letting Jesus take away our sins. This happens when we place our faith in him. This washes away all our sins, present or past. Anyway, all sins are "past" once we have committed them.

By not "making void the law" Paul is simply saying what we all understand. That is, it the law's purpose to expose our sins. It does this by always being a part of the Bible. And it has done its job well. It did it so well it killed Jesus for our sins. But once it had done its job, its administration over us ended. Because as Paul said, "We died with Christ on the cross." And as any legal student knows, the law has no power over someone who is dead to its effects.

Paul summarizes it like this. "So this is the point. The law no longer holds you in its power, because you died to its power when you died with Christ on the cross. ... Now we can really serve God. not in the old way by obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way by the Spirit."

I hope this clears up this matter!

Romans 7:4 is the only verse that the Adventist Brothers have nothing more to argue. But will they accept the reality that we are completely died to the law and free to be with Christ forever.

I love the spiritual insight of being married to the law..while married to him you are subject to him. (In our day and age what wife could really say from her heart, like Sarah, "I am subject to my husband.") But once the bride enters into death through and in Christ it releases her from the obligations of her husband. The Apostle Paulgets personal and points to his carnal continued struggle and forgetfulness of his death in Christ. An almost cryptic verse (V21) points to the central problem of the new creations walk. "I find then a law, when I would do good, evil is present with me." The most accurate translation of the Greek aligns itself to the entire rest of the Book we call the Bible. All 66 books by the 40 or so different authors over a period of almost 1500 years says the same thing. Our awakening to know good and evil has been the curse. It has seperated cultures and caused death and destruction all because one person in pride would say this is good while another says this is evil and niether is being led by the Spirit of God. The whole of human history declares this truth. All our righteousness is like a dirty menstral cloth. Our righteousness must exceed that of the doctors and lawyers of the day!The pride of mankind to know good and evil is the antitype of God. Pride is the complete state of Anti-God and it comes through this belief that I am good and you are not. Nothing feeds the carnal nature of a Christian (who has been awakened to the things of the Spirit of God but are not being lead by Him) than thinking in their flesh they are doing good. Who can deliver me from this body of death? Paul writes of an ancient practice of tying the dead body of the person you killed to you as punishment for killing him. You could not cut away the dead person or the authority who tied it to you would come and take your life. Often times because of bacteria and germs and the stench would kill you anyway. Isn't that the same thing as carrying this carnal desire to be good around with you? So what is the remedy? Paul would encourage you to read on!!!

(Verse 12)"Do not let sin control the way you live; do not give in to its lustful desires." This means that after having been set free from sin, and we choose to continue in it, we place ourselves back under sin's control. That is, we loose our salvation. Hebrews 6:4 says that it is impossible to restore to faith those who have once been enlightened.

So even with our new nature, our sin nature is still with us. God will not take it away. That is, he leaves it in us to always remind us of what we have been saved from. Otherwise, we would soon forget, and think that we were always good. Or that we no longer need to be thankful for Christ saving us. This means that we have to fight against it every day. But with God's spirit we can win the fight. So as Paul says in Romans 7:25, "I thank God, the answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord."

(Concupiscense) All sin done by me before I invited Christ into my heart have a job to do. And that is my daily spiritual testing.

7:1ff Paul shows that the law is powerless to save the sinner (7:7-14),the lawkeeper(7:15-22),and even the person with a new nature(7:23-25).The sinner is condemned by the law; the lawkeeper can't live up to it: and the person with the new nature finds his or her obedience to the law sabotaged by the effects of the old nature. Once again Paul declares that salvation cannot be found by obeying the law. No matter who we are, only Jesus Christ can set us free.

Comments on Galatians 5:18 “But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law”.
We know from 1John 3:4 that “sin is the transgression of the law”. When Christ died, “he did away with the Law” (the Old Covenant), and we entered a New Covenant ( Jeremiah 31:31, Hebrews 8:8). Now we are under Grace ( Romans 6:14).
So, let me see if I understand this “process of salvation” correctly: (1) I hear the Word of God which tells me that He loves me ( John 3:16), and that He died for me though I broke no Law. (2) I accept that I am a sinner, even though the Law that would have condemned me does not exist anymore. (3) I receive Christ as my personal Savior, Who saved me from sins that actually don’t exist, since I was born after Christ died and made the Law obsolete and of non-effect. (4) I get baptized and receive the Holy Spirit, and I am no longer under the Law, which was nailed to the cross. (5) Having received the Holy Spirit, I am now under grace. I am free from the Law, and basically I can do anything I want, since there is no more Law to condemn me. (6) Yes, it would be nice to express the fruits of the spirit: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance etc. (verses 22, 23); but these are optional, “because against such there is no law”.
Now, do the statements 1-6 make any sense? I know that many Christians think so. But, let’s see: Perhaps they would have made sense if only Apostle Paul hadn’t mentioned the works of the flesh: “Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like (and the list goes on): of the which … I have also told you in time past, that THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD” (verses 19-21)… Hey, what happened to grace? We’ve already established that I can’t keep the Law because the flesh is against the spirit ( Galatians 5:17). Even Apostle Paul says: “For the good that I would, I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do” ( Romans 7:19). What’s going on here? The sins mentioned above are transgressions of the Moral Laws that have been “abolished, nailed to the cross, gone”. Now you tell me that I can’t inherit the Kingdom of God with all that love, sacrifice and grace? It seems to me that Apostle Paul is contradicting himself: or, is he? This chapter teaches that the Moral Laws were not included with the rest of the Mosaic Laws that ended at the cross, and that we still have to keep them. They were in effect when you and I were born, and are in effect today: we broke them, and this is why you and I are sinners in need of Christ’s forgiveness and redemption. But for sure, in this letter to Galatians Apostle Paul is talking about circumcision and other Ceremonial Laws fulfilled by Christ (verses 2, 3, 6, 11, 13). You just can’t have it both ways! Brother R.R. came up with a “good excuse”: I can’t memorize the Ten Commandments; therefore I don’t need to keep them. But Apostle Paul disagrees; he says: “I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me” ( Philippians 4:13). Amen.

It is difficult to imagine that this exhausting struggle between flesh and spirit would be occurring in the life of the beloved Paul. Yet here he comes completely clean in admitting that indeed he does have the struggle going on in him. There a continual internal warfare going on inside of Paul and of every righteous Christian. Thank God that the resolution of this raging series of battles is resolved in Christ who redeems us from the curse of the law and raises us with Christ to the victory of the Spirit through our precious Redeemer Jesus Christ. The weak difference in me is made up in the mighty power of Christ and when I truly team up with and surrender to Him I know I will eventually and always win.

If you want to understand what Paul is saying in this letter, you can’t read just one chapter and expect to fairly evaluate the whole Book. Please read all six chapters; they make up the whole letter, intended to be read by the congregation in Galatia. By doing that, you will find the following:
1. In the first chapter, Paul is presenting his credentials, and describes what the problem was, without “spelling it out”;
2. Beginning with the second chapter we learn exactly what the problem was: the teaching by “some”; including Apostle Peter ( Galatians 2:11), that in order to be saved you need to be circumcised, plus other “works of the flesh” described in Galatians 5:19-21;
3. Throughout his letter Paul mentions “circumcision” many times: Galatians 2:3, 7-9, 11; 3:3; 5:2, 3, 6, 11; 6:12, 13, 15;
4. In order to combat this false teaching, he expounds on the fact that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, not by keeping of the Ceremonial Law, which was fulfilled in Him.
By reading only parts of Galatians, many Christians reach the wrong conclusion that Paul is against keeping the Ten Commandments. That cannot be further from the truth. Here is what Paul declares: “What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law … Wherefore, the law is holy and the commandment holy, and just, and good…” Romans 7:7, 12.

@Rob,
Regarding Colossians 2:16: “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days”. You say: “This is why we Christians do not keep the Sabbath, it is of the OLD covenant”. The “Old Covenant” contained the Ten Commandments written by God on two tables of stone. It included the forth, which begins with the words: “Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy”. Are you saying that “the New Covenant” written on our hearts would have only nine commandments? So, you are taking out the only commandment that says “Remember”, and tell me to forget it? Some Christians imply that under the “New Covenant” we don’t have to keep any commandments, because now we are under grace. That cannot be so. Here is what Apostle Paul says about the Law, in Romans 7:7: “What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law”. Verse 12: “Wherefore the law is holy and the commandment holy, and just, and good…” Jesus Himself declared: “If ye love me, keep my commandments”, John 14:15. Not only that, He bids us to: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations… Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you…”, Matthew 28:19, 20. My conclusion is that the statement of Colossians 2:16 must mean something else.

The Bible is food for my life and wisdom over all.

This cry is a of one who truly seeks to be delivered from sin and the power thereof.

I Like Eric Sayranian’s comment on Romans 7.

The name Eve means beginning, we all come from a woman. Therefore Eve represents all the nations of the world here. Adam Being Formed of the dust of the earth represents the first Christ. John 1:13-14: Which was born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the word was made flesh. This is not about Eve's sin it's about the world's sin, nor is it about one woman's sin but the world's sin because we all come from her. But it only comes when Moses brought the Law, sin doesn't start here. Romans 7:9: For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Faults are the root cause of sin. Dealing with faults (through confession and counseling) allows for objective steps to address the real issue(s). Conversely, confession of sins puts a "bandage" on deeper issues, and often is only subjective emotionalism (not a sin to cry about it). Romans 7:8 in dealing with the issue of sin, makes it clear our walk with Christ is the root issue, not the sin itself. Faults are related to certain failures in that walk. Sin is only a consequence of those failures. So confession, may make some feel better (for awhile), but until they deal with the root cause, repeated sin is likely and with that a defeated attitude.

I believe that our flesh is alays trying to pull our spirit to reject the goodness we desire of God. Its origin can be traced to our free will in the Torah.

Verse 18 is the quintessential question for all Christians since the resurrection, that is this “for to "will" is present with me, but how to "perform" that which is good, I find not". SO, does that mean there is not an answer to "performing" that which is good? NO, there is an answer!! First, quit trying to perform, labor to enter His rest. Second, Abide in Christ Jesus, not yourself (own strength). Third, when using His name, and praying, reading His word, do it all from the standpoint (foundation) of "BEING" in HIM. That is where the power is, anyway, that's where the "performance factor of verse 18 comes from!!!!!