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It shows even in Exodus when the Law was ordained the outward cleansing couldn't get you into the presence of the LORD.
There was no new heart of flesh!
No rebirth, No death of the old man, Just symbolic cleansing and sacrifices that pointed forward to one coming and also even then highlighted the inability of man to cleanse himself from sin.
Our best efforts apart from Holyspirit cannot present us blameless, nor can it restore us!
We are cleansed, saved, sanctified and kept by the Spirit IN US.
This particular area of scripture is highlighted in Galatians 3:23-24. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
This is where the Law began.
Sometimes we loose sight that the Gospel was preached to Abraham 430 years before this point.
Galatians 3:17. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. So when we take in all of Galatians 3. with the giving of the law by Moses we see the purpose of the law and the reason why it is called the ministration of Death and Paul said when the Law was given it slew him.
Romans 7:7-11.
2 Corinthians 3:6-10.
The purpose of the law was in mind when it was first given and illustrated with the barriers in Exodus.
God bless.
I've seen your posts before and agreed with many other of your views and felt they were grounded in Biblical truth. So, this is one area we have a difference in how we interpret the scriptures. To me it's 100% clear what the Bible says, and to you I'm sure you're 100% confident also. But our views are very different and are consequential as we're basically discussing the main aspect of Christianity.
So, let me only address just 1 of your points you wrote: "All born-again believers bring forth good fruit and cannot bring forth evil fruit."
Ok, I can see you took that idea from scripture which is great, but I just don't believe your interpretation as I see you're conflating sin with fruit to the point where you are possibly denying a Christian's ability to sin, is that correct?
Paul was a Christian and spoke about his struggles with fleshly desires and temptation to sin. Romans 7:13-25. So, he was a Christian who bore good fruit, yet still talked about his struggle with sin. He had to fight against it. He talked about having on the armor of God and being prepared for spiritual battles: Ephesians 6:10-18. He didn't say, we'll I'm "saved" and my fruit is good so I can do whatever I want. Quite the opposite.
1 John 2:4-6 - this indicates that we Christians continue to have a choice on whether to keep commandments or not. I'm sure you know that Paul's letters were to Christians.
Let me make a clear point. I'm a Christian and read the Bible daily and try to follow Jesus to the best of my ability, but I am imperfect and have temptations to sin just like any other human being. Sin can be fun by nature and I think most people admit to that. If you're so sure that it's impossible for a Christian to sin or do wrong or that we somehow don't have the freewill to, and is impossible to do wrong or to not follow Jesus, does that mean tonight I can choose to go out on the town and commit all kinds of sin that my flesh desires and you think I'll have no consequence?
Stay blessed in Jesus Name, love u in Christ Romans 7:1-6 and Chapter 8
God bless u and yours in Jesus Name, love u in Christ Romans 7:1-6 and Romans 8:11
God bless u and yours in Jesus Holy Name, love u in Christ. Romans 7:1-6 ond Romans 8:11
She must make sure and keep herself clean in thoughts words and deeds. Without her, they will be lost. So she need to eat and also receive Spiritual nourishment so that she have something to go on. This is the first, we are not to destroy the temple of God, are we? 1 Corintihans 3:17 And the branch that believes in Him is valuable, as long as the branches bear fruit :) John 15:2
You have to decide this for yourself, but as far as i know the world, it does us no good! Because then our thought comes to utilization and it seems very worldly.
The world has no care for me either, it's probably pretty normal and feel that way. But remember Martha and Maria. Martha struggled and i can believe she got quite tired and even exhausted. While Mary received spiritual food. Luke 10:38-42 The best way is the Spiritual, although one must also take worldly chores occasionally, one can always Glorify God in what one does.
God bless u and yours in Jesus Name, love u in Christ. Romans 7:1-6 and Romans 8:11
God bless u and yours in Jesus name, love u in Christ.
You said grow spiritual by keeping the law? We can't.
Galatians 3:2-3.
Galatians 3:5-7.
Galatians 3:8-9.
Galatians 3:10-11.
Galatians 3:12-14.
Also read Galatians 4. and
Galatians 5.
Jesus didn't do away with the Law.
Jesus took on the penalty of the law that brought death.
Colossians 2:14-17.
In fact it's called the ministry of Death.
Here's a few passages from Paul. at one time he felt the same way you do and set out to kill anyone that followed Jesus.
2 Corinthians 3:6-11.
Romans 7:10-11. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Romans 5:20. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Philippians 3:2-10. Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Galatians 5:11-12.
God bless.
Let me completely disagree to the other comments made.
In 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 it clearly states that if someone divorces (only for reasons allowed by God) he/she should remain unmarried or get back with the husband/wife. God's purpose is to keep families together not split them apart. Also the verse 15 that some christians claim that can be used to divorce (if it is explained the way they explain it) it condradicts Matthew
5:31-32 that says divorce is only allowed for reasons of adultery. Also read the next to 15 verse (verse 16) which says that God advices you to try and get along with your husband..So as i read it you cannot date again. In verse 39 it clearly says that for God you are bound with your husband as long as he lives (no matter if he is a believer or not) , if he dies then you are allowed to remarry.
So my personal advice is pray to God and forgive your husband (don't forget that if we don't forgive other people's sins to us neither God will forgive us. Matthew 6:14-15) and make effords to get back together. Pray that God works his heart and put faith in it and free him from his addictions. It's the hard way but it's the right way too, and God will bless you.
Never forget that God's purpose is to unite families in Christ not split them apart.
Now if he has been unfaithful to you yes you can divorce him, but still you have to be unmarried. If he is violent to you because of his addictions you can keep apart untill he is changed, if he changes, and keep praying but still divorce is not permitted.
Everything is still very raw with you and your son is hurting, too. Take this season to support him and improve your communication with him.
Suze has given you good advice to be about the things of the Lord instead of seeking a mate. God will bring about an answer to your need for companionship in His timing and will.
My last comment is that I recommend being completely divorced before dating another. And pray for your husband. If he is involved with drugs, then he is not in his right mind. but God can deliver him and restore him to you, also. Be open for whatever God has for your future.
You can date. Just make sure they are filled with the Holy Spirit. And living for the Most High.
I can never forget how he did this. He called me all day long at work and said that it was date night. By the time I get home, the Holy Spirit told me he would not be there. I'm in the car arguing with the holy spirit. So therefore, I had to repent. When I got home he was not there after 10 calls at work telling me how we were going to have a great time and eat steak at a restaurant he found not to far out in the area.
He actually came home the next noon day and demanding he get 5 outfits. Prior to asking for the 5 outfits he cursed me like I was a harlot. Then I finally said take everything. I told him I didn't want a husband that could not come home to me, his wife.
Several months later my son told me he had saw him coming out of a crack house. Even though he was not making love to me i went to see my doctor and every test came back negative. I thank God for that also. I have days that I really feel lonely. I work and trying to start a bakery I sell pies and cake slices to help pay bills along with my job. Other days, I feel rejected. So what the does the Lord command us to do. I need companionship. I do want to start dating again.
.....Thus Bathsheba was an adultress as long as Uriah was alive...verse 3 if a woman who is married have another man she shall be called an aduleress but if her husband dies she is no more an adulteress...But the 1st Child was sick which was Christianity and died in its infancy...Bathsheba had to travail Again to get the Child of Promise which was Solomon a type of the H.G. The Comforter that is Gonna make OUR BODIES HIS TEMPLE... Thats y Jesus said a greater then Solomon is here...Thus the H.G. IS GONNA BUILD A GREATER TEMPLE THEN SOLOMON Gal 4 : 19 My lil Children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN .The Church will have to travail again to get the 2 nd Child the H.G. THE Child of PROMISE...She brought forth aman Child that is gonna RULE ALL NATIONS...Which is the H.G that CHILD OF Promise..Thats y Romans 7 : 4 is saying you are dead to the law by the body of Christ that you will bemarried to another even Christ Jesus...Just as Bathsheba was dead to Uriah by the body of David, We are dead to the law by the body of Christ thus we will marry Christ...The 1st Child died but the 2 nd Child is the Child of Promise the H.G. Emanuel GBU LYLE.
How do you pray in the Holy Spirit?
Colossians 2
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
The message here is that God has blotted out the handwriting of ordinances (commandments) for Christians. We don't serve God in the oldness of the letter but in the newness of the Spirit.
Romans 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Therefore, let no man entice you to attempt to serve God by keeping ordinances of meat or drink or respecting OT holy days, new mons, or the sabbaths.
I also think of: Judges 16, Hebrews 13:4-6,
Hopefully these are helpful to your understanding.
Well spoken.
God bless.
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:28 (KJV)
But the inward man is the Spirit:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Rom 2:29 (KJV)
We perfect holiness in the fear of God (Afraid to Sin) by cleansing ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit:
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
2 Cor 7:1 (KJV)
This cleansing is done with washing by the word of God:
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:26 (KJV)
Man is spirit, soul and body which must be blameless when JESUS CHRIST comes back:
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Ths 5:23 (KJV)
The Spirit of man is the Candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly - Proverbs 20:27
The washing of the regeneration is with the renewing of the Holy Ghost - Titus 3:5
Building up your most holy faith praying in the holy ghost - Jude 1:20
This way the inward man is renewed day by day.
For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
2 Cor 4:16 (KJV)
JESUS CHRIST bless you.
To add to the truths that Gigi and Roman has shared.
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.)
Romans 5:13.
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Romans 7:8-14.
2 Corinthians 3:7-10.
To put it simply, the law is Holy, and man fails to live up to God standard and the law reveals that. When the law came it pronounced every man guilty.
Christ crucifixion and resurrection sanctified us positionally, Ephesians 2:5-6. and practically. Romans 6:1-6. and
Romans 8:11-13.
I hope this helps
God bless.
Part 1 of 2.
The way you asked the question, "Does the ten commandments apply to all including gentiles?" I would say, yes.
The next question would be, did the 10 commandments slay us all as Paul mentioned in Romans 7:8-9. I would say yes. Because no one has been able to keep the law. Even the greatest 2 Commandments is out our reach without being born again.
Mark 12:29-31. This is a love we can't produce without the Holyspirit being present. It's a fruit of the spirit, and all the law hangs on it.
Galatians 5:14. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Romans 13:10. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
This is what baptism mentioned in Romans 6 is all about. "Not the outward profession we do in water but the inward identification of the Spirit." which has much to say about the sabbath.
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:11-17.
see Part 2.
Part 2.
Romans 11:10-32.
There is a lot here in this portion of scripture, for one you will see there is two groups here, Us/The Church and Israel.
Take notice of what we are being grafted into! Is it Israel? No, Israel is a branch broken off because of unbelief.
You see the concept in John and Mathews. I am the vine true/genuine vine in John 15:1-12. and Mathews 7:13-23. opposed to Israel in Jeremiah 2:21.
Notice Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Again, salvation wasn't to come by the law where the Gentiles were foreigners, the law was to show the world they needed a savior that's what God promised Abraham.
Genesis 22:18.
SO, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE LAW?
Galatians 3:18-29.
This puts the verse you gave, " Galatians 3:29." in its proper perspective.
More References:
Romans 7:4-7.
Romans 7:8-13.
2 Corinthians 3:6-11.
You mentioned Romans 2:29. Let's look at it.
You should take it from Romans 2:11-29. to put it in its context.
Romans 2:11-16.
Notice Paul says, "FOR WHEN THE GENTILES, WHICH HAVE NOT THE LAW, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Even before the law was given, we had light in the world that bared witness of right and wrong! (The law put a death sentence on us. Romans 7:8-10.)
Continuing.
Romans 2:17-24.
Context: vs 17. "Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,"
This portion of scripture seems to label you as a hypocrite and blasphemer when you put your trust in being able to keep the law.
See verses 24-29 in Part 3.
The same Greek word is used in both instances for 'ordinances', viz. "dogmasin", from which we get, 'dogma'. And in these Scriptures, it is translated as 'decrees or edicts'. So when we read these Scriptures by the apostle, the 'law of commandments & handwriting of ordinances' did not apply solely to the ceremonial laws & of the sacrifices which indeed Christ fulfilled at the Cross, but also to the whole Law that was "blotted out" completely. It had to be so, or else the old Law would still stand, the Jew would have to be bound to it & hence judged by it. But Jesus came to rid the Law that only showed one's sin & brought certain death. By His Sacrifice, the old had gone & the new had come, that from henceforth, "we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." ( Romans 7:6). Yet, most Jews are still bound to the old Law & by it they will be judged.
Yes, there is a distinction in the moral, civil & ceremonial laws, as seen in the OT. But when the New Covenant was brought in by Christ's Blood, the old Law in totality was annulled - it had to be as both the old & new opposed each other by their: giving, obedience, acceptance & judgement (i.e. received by faith, given power to obey, our acceptance through Christ, & now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus). Under the old Law that could never be achieved & that's why it took the death of the Son of God.
Now what about the believer in Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, who makes claim to the Ten Commandments, that we're required to obey them. I perceive that those who say this speak simply about God's Commands given that still have eternal moral & spiritual value to all people for all time. And that is true, for Romans 7:12 says, "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." There's nothing wrong with the Law - what brings us into error, is our appeal to it & requiring others to be brought under it.
Paul went on in that passage to describe how the Law only showed him the wretched state of his soul - if he was left in that state, he would be doomed. But he saw 'another law (now working) in his members'. The Law that revealed to him his weakness to keep it & being a total failure, was overtaken by another Law of God now working in his mind. He goes on in Romans 8:1,2 to state that now there is no condemnation by God to those who don't "walk after the flesh" (i.e. sin in his members revealed by the Law), but "walk after the Spirit". For it is "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death"; a new Law that not only replaced the Old that brought death, but also gave power & liberty by the Spirit to fully know & obey God's Holy requirements. And when we fail, then there lies mercy to forgive & restore. Under the old Law, there was no mercy ( Hebrews 10:28).
Who then requires me to obey the letter of the Law for a right standing before God? God certainly doesn't, for I am set free to obey God as His Spirit directs me. Is it only the Ten Commandments or the '613 other commandments' that must apply to me, or maybe the millions of laws that bring out the spirit of the letter, that we might "serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter" ( Romans 7:6)?
Thank you, may your lamp be full, and your talents be more than you were given. Many find teachers with pleasing words, feel good for a day, back in the world after walking out the door, and not truly repenting, thinking everything is hunky-dory. I don't believe sin goes dormant, there is a battle every day between the flesh and the Spirit in our conscience/spirit.
It is the Holy Spirit's work that empowers us to do our purpose. Like Paul said in Romans 7:18-19 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
Hebrews 12:1-3 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
God bless,
RLW
The conflict over Israel is not the wrong DNA.
GOD said he will make a nation out of Abraham. Genesis 12:2.
God confirmed a covenant with Abraham and his seed afterwards. Genesis 17:7.
These promises was also confirmed with Isaac and Jacob.
It's the heir of promise given to Abraham.
Down through Isaac and Jacob that is fought over.
See: Galatians 4:29-30. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
The seed that was promised to come that would bless the world is Christ.
Galatians 3:16. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
If you study the Genealogy of Christ you will see they're Gentiles in it. Ruth being one. and also Rahab.
God sanctified Israel and gave them the seal of circumcision. "A cutting away the filt of the flesh " Gentiles was considered unclean. but if the wanted to come into the camp and remain they had to be circumcised.
Genesis 17:12. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
TODAY CIRCUMCISION AVAILETH NOTHING.
Galatians 5:6.
Galatians 6:15.
We become that new creature through our new birth in Christ. "Baptism of The Holyspirit ".
God bless.
Jews who have recognized Jesus as the true Messiah, often refer to themselves as Messianic Jews: acknowledging that their longed for Messiah has indeed come & first brought salvation & new birth within the sinner (both Jew & Gentile), & then will one day come in Glory to bring salvation from their enemies & a new government raised & governed in righteousness.