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Great reply Ronald.

I believe all through the scripture it supports the view the Holyspirit empowers the believer and as the scriptures you pointed out it took the dwelling of the Holyspirit to perform in them to minister under this new covenant. You see it in the life of Peter here in Luke 22:32. When was Peter strengthened and start to perform? It's obvious in scripture after he was empowered. Christ was preaching his death and resurrection, but they couldn't receive it. In Luke 18:31-34. he declared to them what the Prophets has written, and they still couldn't grasp it because it hidden from them.

Also, in John 16:12-14. seems to suggest the same thing. The preaching of the Cross was hidden from their eyes, and it seems Paul is mentioning the same thing throughout his epistles speaking of the natural man. 1 Corinthians 2:7-14.

The Holyspirirt is essential for understand and walk. Once he reveals his truth to us they're written on our hearts it takes him to exercise those truths in us and perfect our walk. we respond to the truth by the power of the Holyspirit, likewise the Apostles.

For it is God which worketh in you both to "will" and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:13.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63.

The bible is not like our textbooks in school, what we have here has to be revealed to you, 1 Corinthians 1:18-21.

Also: 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.

You see the Holyspirits power over the flesh in Romans 8:1-14.

You see the Holyspirirt working in us through baptism given us power to cease from sin in Romans 6:1-18.

You see the contrast of the two natures in Romans 7:1-6. and so on. Here we see the contrast of what we had when we were under the law compared to what we have in Christ.

God bless.

Great answer GiGi!

Very insightful and gets us to take a closer look when using "Wilfully sin" when separating Christians and non Christians.

Indeed GiGi. I think that other folks' opinion on this is based on the Gift of the Holy Spirit Who baptizes, indwells, seals & empowers for life & service. The question therefore is, if the disciples did not experience this mysterious blessed Act of the Spirit till Pentecost, then what was their spiritual condition prior?

For this matter & many others, I always first ascertain which dispensation are we looking at. Clearly, the Lord, his chosen disciples, & all whom they encountered were still living under the Old Dispensation: of the Law, looking towards the Messiah of God & His Salvation (albeit not the salvation they expected). Therefore, in respect to the disciples, they like all others (even Noah, Abraham, Jacob, etc.), were subject to God, living in a sinful condition yet expressing devotion & trust in God to forgive them & help them. And if the saints of old were commended for their faith, not even receiving the promise ( Hebrews 11:39), we cannot discount them from being true believers & worshippers of God. But once the Sacrifice of Jesus was completed, the Requirement for forgiveness (both theirs & ours) was accepted & sealed by God: the Blood availed in full efficacy for those once under the Law & those believing without the Law.

The disciples obviously were in an interesting point in time, having been subject to the Law & pharisaical demands, then meeting & believing in the One Who would abrogate the Law that only brought sin & death ( Romans 7:6-11), & then receiving the anointing & indwelling of the Spirit, Who would guarantee freedom from the penalty, hopelessness & powerlessness of that Law. Were the disciples in any different dispensation than those of previous millennia? The same God Who accepted the faith & worship of Jacob under the Law, would accept these simple followers of Christ by their faith & obedience, awaiting not many days hence, when the Law could no longer kill, but they would have the Spirit Who would give them life & power to live.

Hi Virginia

I believe that everyone will continue to sin in this life, even after conversion. And I think that Christians do enough willfully. If you are a believer and you lie, that is something you choose to do willfully. If you are a believer and you have axial relations with your boyfriend/girlfriend. You choose to do so willfully. If you are a believer and you choose to gossip about someone, you choose to do so will willingly. Anytime you do something you know is wrong, you are choosing to do so willingly. And I don't really think that any believer could say that after conversion they never chose to do something they knew was wrong to do. When you choose to do what you know is wrong you are using your will to choose to do it.

Some people employ semantic gymnastics to say there is a difference between choosing to commit a sin and willful sin. But they are both the same thing.

Hi Virginia while our spirit is still inside this fleshy body we still sin by the flesh. You can sin by thought by word by deed or by the things you did not do. But the spirit within is without fault when our flesh departs our spirit goes to be at home with Yahweh Jesus and The holy Spirit

When it says you will sin as long as you are in the flesh, does that mean before you are saved or after or both? My friend says after you're saved you won't sin every day, but I say you will sin but not willfully???

Hi Chris; When we speak of the Old Testament, also known as the Mosaic Law, it specifically contained laws such as unclean animals, clean animals, feast days, new moons and different sabbaths. All of these are found in the book of Leviticus, which is the book of the law. To comprehend what the scriptures teach a thorough study should be applied indeed from all books on that doctrine, One huge difference between the Old Testament and the old covenant, is that Moses wrote the Old Testament by hand, while God wrote with his finger the old covenant. Exodus 31:18 These are different, while the one is called the ceremonial law, the other is called the moral law, they are not the same thing, neither can we join them together as one law. While the Old Testament was destroyed by the Lord Jesus on Calvary Eph. 2:14-16 & Colossians 2:14-15 the old covenant was fulfilled by Christ and then expired Mat. 5:18 & Loke 16:16 after being expired it was then dead Romans 7:4 & Romans 7:6 Meaning they both had different beginnings, and different commandments, and a different endings. One is called a Testament but the other is called a covenant, these do not have the same meaning, you cannot bring them together as one. Today I preached from 11 Timothy 2:15 part of the sermon was rightly dividing the word of truth, we must divide the Old Testament from the old covenant, we must also divide the Old Testament from the New Testament, and the old covenant from the new covenant. Today the New Testament has 7 categories, 1. least commandments, 2. doctrines, 3. unconditional promises, 4. conditional promises, 5. prophecy, 6. faith without works and 7. faith with works. On the other hand the new covenant only has two greatest commandments, love God with all the heart, soul, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. This is why we must keep them separate, in order to rightly divide the word of truth, otherwise we do a great injustice to the truth of the word of God.

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Powerless Sanctification

Now Paul shows inRomans 7that you and I cannot be obedient in our own strength. It is powerless sanctification. There are two great truths that come out of this. The first one is:

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing....( Romans 7:18)

You and I have nothing good in our flesh. The old nature can never do anything that is pleasing to God. The fact of the matter is, Paul says,

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither, indeed, can be.( Romans 8:7)

You and I have an old nature - even if you are redeemed you have that old nature - and it will be with you until your dying day. That old nature is in rebellion against God. For instance, sometimes you don't want to hear the teaching of the Word of God, you just have to somehow bring yourself to it. It is amazing what that old nature can think of to rebel against God. It hates the Word of God; it doesn't love to pray. That old nature is in rebellion against Almighty God. Did you ever have those feelings?

But if you are a believer, you have a new nature, and Paul says this concerning it:

...For to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not.( Romans 7:18)

Paul found out that there was no good in his old nature and that there was no power in his new nature.

Hi Rod; When speaking about the law being destroyed, I am talking about the Old Testament, which is also called the Mosaic Law. It was this law that was destroyed by the Lord Jesus Christ on Calvary according to the wisdom of the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 Knowing as Christians if we obey one of those laws we are cursed to obey them all. Galatians 3:10 which is a quotation from Deut. 27:26 Now in your argument you thought I was speaking about the Ten Commandments in stone according to Matthew 5:17-18 This is referred unto in scripture as the old covenant, as in Deut. 5:2-3 and Hebrews 9:4 These are two different laws, the one O.T. is the law of Moses, while the other one, old covenant, is the Law of the Lord, or Law of God, or moral law. These are not the same, although they share the same name as the word law, but have two distinct different meanings. While the Old testament was created by angels, as in Acts 7:53 and Galatians 3:19 knowing the word disposition and ordained share a similar meaning, to set in order or create, yet the Ten Commandments in stone, was written by the finger of God. Now this law had an expiry date, Christ did not come to destroy this law, but to fulfil this law, but once it was fulfilled it was then dead, as In Matthew 5:18 - Luke 16:16 - Romans 7:6-7 If you read carefully those scriptures I have mentioned, and need be, pray over them, you should come to the understanding of the Apostle Paul on this matter as he fought against obeying these two things in many of his epistles, as he was against Christians obeying the Old Testament and the old covenant. Because you mentioned the least commandments in Matthew 5:19 I would like to say, these twelve hundred commandments found in the gospels and epistles, are all to be considered the least commandments, while only the two greatest commandments on how to love God, and how to love your neighbor need interpretation by these least commandments of how this is done

Rick

In Romans 7 I believe Paul is referring to the "flesh" and "carnal" he us talking about the sinful nature. And this sinful nature affects all of our being as you said.

But in Romans 7:11-12

Says "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through. The Spirit who dwells in you.

And 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 says: "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you have been bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your Spirit, which

Are God's.

So, as a believer, our whole person has been changed, redeemed and the Spirit in us allows our body, mind, and soul to be honorable and sanctified. So because our bodies are God's temple, it is now holy, as is our mind and soul. The sinful nature still wars against our whole being, but the Spirit dwells in us and empowers us to put the sinful nature to death, not our bodies.

So, in light of these Scriptures, I cannot think of my physical body, mind or soul as evil or worthless because Jesus has redeemed all of me.

Our deliverance from Sin

In Gods eyes by Jesus Christ sin have been beaten, the challenge is believing and standing in that. I

do not since I was born again think of myself as a sinner. Some are going your kidding, I'll explain, when

we confessed our sins and made jesus Christ lord and Saviour our sins were forgiven paid for period or else our

Saviour didn't complete His Ministry and we Know absolutely He did. Therefore we who believe in Gods eyes are

SAINTS set apart by God from the darkness of this world that's what it says. This is what was accomplished by

our lord and Saviour when we confessed our sins and committed in our hearts that indeed God raised him from

dead hence spiritual new birth. Does that mean we got an instant new brain, or new body or instant new thought

patterns, absolutely not we started by changing our lifestyles to what the scripture said to stop doing or to sin..

Did we do this perfectly instantly nope why Romans 7:14-25 we are always at war with our old man nature,

anger, negative thoughts, fear, frustration and more none of which are walking by the spirit. My point in sharing

this is the only man that ever did and will walk perfectly with God was Jesus Christ. We will all until we are

gathered together miss the mark in some category but we can always go to father and receive forgiveness.

Not saying this as an excuse not to do our utmost for His highest because the wages of sin is still death.

Thank God he looks at me as perfect spiritually he already knew my flesh was junk and needed help. Thank

God we will be delivered eventually from this dead body and put on a body like His.

Hello Dr. Lee. I've been following this thread with interest, as I have in my earlier comments in past months, referred to the abrogation of the Law by the coming of Christ & by His Sacrifice; that 'the letter of the Law kills but the Spirit gives life'. Therefore, any appeal to the Decalogue, however unchanged its moral & spiritual requirements might be ( Romans 7:12), would only show that we're subjecting ourselves to a Law, given to Israel, for the purposes of pointing them to their failure to fully keep it & their resulting deserved punishment. I even think of Luke 18:18-25, where the rich ruler followed the letter of the Law perfectly, yet was found lacking because he broke the very first commandment (wealth was also his god).

Yet I noticed in this thread, your clear separation of the Old Covenant (specifically, the Mosaic) & the Old Testament. I must confess that I too gave little consideration to this, believing that the Old Testament was important for its historical & many worthy Truths that we can learn from & be encouraged in the knowledge of God. But I understand from your comments, that the Old Testament (the Torah, the Prophets, & the Writings) have been "destroyed & not replaced". Could you enlarge on this aspect, as I'm wondering if all has been destroyed, what about the prophetical aspects that are yet to be fulfilled (some at Christ's coming, others still in the future)? I ask this, because I would hesitate in making such a bold statement to someone given the many worthy Truths still embedded in the OT, & though much of it fulfilled in the New, should we now totally disregard the Old? I use both the OT & NT with confidence for its Truth & applicability (when rightly divided). I would balk if someone taught me to disregard the OT altogether. Maybe that's not what you mean - just seeking clarification, thank you.

I will comment on versus 17-19

The Lord Jesus said he did not come to destroy the Law of God, meaning the Ten Commandments in stone, rather he taught he came to fulfill that law, knowing it would expire as soon as he fulfilled it. :18 Apparently by the time that John the Baptist started his ministry, the Lord Jesus Christ had fulfilled the law, therefore it was now expired. Luke 16:16 According to the Apostle Paul, Christians have died unto that Law of God, Romans 7:4 knowing all Christians are delivered from the Ten Commandments in stone. Romans 7:6-7 that being dead to us. Then does the Lord Jesus speak of the least commandments in :19 When reading Mark 12:29-31 the Lord Jesus calls the Ten Commandments written the the heart, the greatest commandments, therefore, all other commandments found in the New Testament are the least commandments. I have studied the entire New Testament and discovered about twelve hundred commandments were given in seventeen different categories. All of these commandments are known as the least commandments. For Christians to become great in the kingdom of God today, they must practice the least commandments and teach others the least commandments also, as these two things are required in conditional promises, if someone desires to become great in God's kingdom.

Amen!

Thanks Brother Rick.

If we come across anything that adds to the finish work of Christ we have to revisit the viewpoint. By the means of the law we failed miserably!! Paul said in Romans 7:14. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The issue is the incurable heart!!

With this heart the nature is disobedience,

Therefore obedience is internal expressed outwardly!!

Hi

Mathew 3:10-11.

I would like to add one or two more things that I believe is to be very important. Whether by water baptism or baptism by the Holyspirit, is it evident in your life that spiritual baptism has taken place.

You will run into 2 major groups engage on this topic. One group is those who believe you are saved by confessing Jesus and keeping the commandments. Some of this group believe you can lose your salvation. This group is bond to a work base religion.

The other group believes "for by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Even the faith you are being saved through is not your faith! it is a gift of God!

You have nothing to offer God in terms of salvation! I hold this view.

True baptism when you "GENUINELY" accept Christ as your savior there is production in your life that begins. You can't produce it or keep it from producing as you feed on the word.

I will share a few by verses below and hopefully others can expand on them or add to.

Notice Paul' he didn't have much to say about water baptism, but he had a lot to say about baptism by the Holyspirit.

Romans 6:4.

Romans 6:6-8.

Romans 6:11.

It does well to study all of Romans 6 to expand a little on "the production' of spiritual baptism.

JOHNS BAPTISM.

you can see a picture of this transition for the Jews drawn out for you by Paul in Romans 7:1-2. Read all.

Now read Mathew 3:10-11.

Israel was a natural branch that didn't bear fruit. Jeremiah 2:21. "Nor could it"

Also read Mathew 21:42-44. and John 15:1-7.

Now let's get back to our 2 groups.

You have the 1st group I mentioned that put themselves in bondage as did Israel and despising the truth.

believing in baptism outwardly but unbaptized inwardly.

EXAMPLE: Romans 2:25-29.

The 2nd group

Philippians 3:3.

Galatians 3:13.

John 8:36.

The outcome.

1John 2:3.

1 John 4:21.

This Love cannot be produced by self.

God bless.

God is at work within our human wills to see Him, and follow Him. He does not "over-ride" our wills. He always says, "Choose This Day"

Philippians 2:13

For IT IS GOD which worketh in you both to WILL and to DO of his good pleasure.

Romans 7:18

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

2 Corinthians 8:11

Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.

Think on these things.

Hi Rick; by your response you have led me to believe you think as Christians we should practice the Ten Commandments in stone, this of course would be bondage, as Christians are now commanded to obey the Ten Commandments in the heart according to Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-13 This old law of God had an expiry date according to the Lord Jesus who taught it would expire as soon as he fulfilled it. Matthew 5:18 The question should be asked, when did he fulfill it? The answer is then given in Luke 16:16 by the time of John the Baptist, as it would expire at that time. Today the Ten Commandments in stone is dead. Romans 7:4 and 7:6-7 We are now commanded to keep the new covenant which is the Ten Commandments written in the heart where there is no Sabbath or generational curses.

Hi Charles Don't dwell on this but no, if that could be done by our own works than logically there would not

be the need for our saviour, our very nature that we are born with is antagonistic against God. Even after

being born again we still fight a corrupt natural body which is worked by the five senses! Romans 7:15-25

Hi Tony. You may be referring to Exodus 31:12-17. This Law was given to Israel in line with Day 7 of the Days of Creation - the Day that God "rested (or, ceased) from all His work" ( Genesis 2:3). The Law, which included the keeping of the seventh day (the Sabbath), & circumcision, were the signs that made God's people a special, chosen people, unlike any other nation on Earth. As God ceased from His Work of creation, so He required His people (Israel) to set a specific day each week to also rest from their labours. And the fact that God sanctified the day (i.e. He set it apart as a special day), meant that Israel should engage themselves with other things other than going through the rigors of daily toil. So, it was a day of physical rest & also a day when their minds could re-focus on their Creator & learning more about Him.

Israel today still keep the Sabbath as required of them. But those of Judaism who have come out, finding new life & liberty in Jesus Christ & led of the Spirit are no longer under the Law ( Galatians 5:18), just as the Gentiles who are "without the Law" ( 1 Corinthians 9:21), are not required to be bound to it - to a Law that only showed man his sin & his incapability to fully obey it ( Romans 7:7 ff).

Both Jew & Gentile still need a rest day from hard toil - for the Jew, the seventh day was appointed. For the Christian, any day could be a day of physical rest. For the Jew, he went to the Temple or Synagogue on the Sabbath to worship God - for the Christian, he can worship God on any day he chooses. The early Church met on the first day of the week to worship ( Acts 20:7), fellowship & break bread together, remembering the Lord Who gave His Life for them & rose from the grave on the first day of the week. So, there is no commandment to break; the Sabbath for worship together does not apply to the Christian - some worship on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday - maybe even other days. But if Sabbath is forced upon Christians, then we have a problem.

Hi Dan.

Would you say plain people is one without the Holyspirit? if he has the Holyspirit he's not plain!! He has a helper and a truth revealer.

1 Corinthians 2:12-14. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. The Carnal mind can't understand what is written literal.

Here's The commandment Christ is speaking of-

John 15:12. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

And this is not done by you, It is the Holyspirit that causes you to Love by virtue. This is a fruit. You can't produce fruit, You bare it by being connected to the vine. The Law could never Change the inner Man. Fruitl is interior!

Here's the concept. Matthew 23:25-26. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Jesus is not talking about the Law because noone has been able to keep the law if so there was no need of a mercy seat that pointed to Christ.

The law was given to Israel and there was no tolerance in keeping it. It was the ministry of condemnation. If you break one you broken them all and if you do it once you're forever lost if you're not covered by the Lambs blood.

Colossians 2:13-14.

Romans 7:10.

Romans 7:11.

Romans 7:12.

The first sabbath that was broken when the law was given a couple was stoned to death for gathering sticks.

As plain as it gets.

God bless.

Hi Tim The commandment are the commandments given by God to Israel that's why in verse 12 the law and commandment are holy and just and still summed up in Mathew to Love God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength. We are now above the law because walking by the spirit is walking above the law by the spirit of God which fulfills the royal law in mathew.

In verses 7-13 the commandment is referred to. What commandment is this?

authority, Is a long distance from speak or tell or pray or smile or sing or make coffee, or do any woman work like give birth and life to this earth!

Cant see that have a meaning here.

We are all the same and stand in same position in front of God. But for husbands Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. She is indeed!

And who have the real authority Jesus Lives and have! That evan over a man. please dont be foolish. The meaning is too hold a standard in the meatings and in society. example: If all talk in the same time no one will hear anything.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Diddnt u know?

Love u all in Christ Jesus

Jesus says that Spirits can be born in us via his seed the Word which is a Godly Seed. Conception comes by hearing his voice that living Word the good seed thus the Child is Spirit the H.G.in essence Jesus wants to multiply himself ( his spirit, God) in humanity as humanity is the field where that good seed is gonna be sown the World. That was the great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven and that will be accomplished by his death and ressurrrection. Smite the sheppard and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the lil ones which are Baby Christ the Children of Promise , the babes and sucklings is our new innerman has to be born in us via his seed the words of the new covenant th book in the Fathers right hand. I will turn my hand to the lil ones thats y she birth a lil one a Baby Christ ( a baby spirit ) the Granson an ISRAEL OF GOD which is our new birth . My lil children of whom i travail in birth Again till Christ is formed in you, Thats y he has to know us. Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil child you will in no wise enter there in impling a birth of Christ in us which is the HG that child of Promise The Israel of God a heavenly Jacob that is coming in the last days Isaiah 49. Remember NATURAL JACOB WAS THE GRANSON, THE 3 RD PERSON IN THE ABRAHAMIC TRINITY. THUS THERE CANNOT BE AN ISRAEL OF GOD WITHOUT THIS 3 RD PERSON That heavenly Jacob the GRANSON. Thats y he tells Moses that his name was Abraham Issac and Jacob simply b/c there ii gona be an ISRAEL OF GOD that is gona be as the stars of heaven born in us sinners via his seed. Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN simply b/c mankind is gona bring forth fruit unto God via that good seed as Romans 7:4 says which is the H.G. the Children of Promise. I wish God wd baptise this whole world in the NAME OF THE FATHER SON AND THE GRANSON. Unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil Child that heavenly Birth.

When ya think about the law think about David and Bathsheba and Uriah a love triangle, The early Church was still married to the LAW but she had a relationship with Christ and birth a Child but the Child ( Christianity ) was sick and died in its infancy, The 1st Child died. Romans 7: 4 Thats y Paul is saying you are dead to the law ( Uriah ) by the body of Christ (DAVID) that you should be married to another even to him that was raised from the dead,That you shall bring forth fruit unto God which is the H.G The CHILD OF PROMISE, . At Horeb Moses married all ISRAEL to the law. And the LAW was still their husband Thats y Paul said you are dead to the Law by the body of Christ, that you should bemarried to another even to him that was raised from the dead. David put away Uriah as Christ put away the law . Bathsheba was barren under Uriah as Israel was barren under the Law, but became fruitful under David. But the 1st Child died .My lil children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN AGAIN till Christ be formed in you WHICH IS THE WOMAN IN REV 12. tHEN THE kINGDOM COMES. UNLESS YA RECEIVE THE KINGDOM AS A LIL CHILD ETC. Solomon saw the 2 nd Child that shall stand up in his stead and there is no end to the ppl that he shall be king over which is the manchild that is gonna be born in us.That Woman in Rev 12 is giving birth to the 2 nd Child,The H.G the Kingdom Child . The Kingdom did not come under the 1st Child ( Christianity ) the early Church. But the Kingdom comes under the 2 nd Child. Rev 12 now is come salvation and the Kingdom of our GOD ETC Rev 12 : 10. But to love God with all our hearts and our neighbor as our selves is the very essence of God. which is the righteousness of the law.

Great Scriptures, brother S. Spencer. Indeed, the NT is replete with verses revealing to us that the Jewish believers "are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." ( Romans 7:6).

It is my perception, that many of us have been tutored from a young age to memorize the 10 Commandments & to endeavour to live by them. But when those of 'strong meat-eating' age arrive at the Scriptures, & bring all of it together to properly understand this subject, we still tend to hang on to the first oracles, somehow syncretizing them with the new. And this cannot work as brother Earl gave a good example in Luke chapter 5, where the workings of Grace through Faith is totally incompatible to that of the Law, which could only reveal the extent of our sin, condemn us & ultimately slay us. Our inner ear must always be inclined to the Holy Spirit within, revealing all that God requires of us to live lives that are wholly pleasing to Him. Thank you brother for those thoughts.

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Brother Dan, I have not responded to this particular post from you, as I believe my other comment to you answers your questions: "What is your definition of strict obedience of the law? Is trying our best to adhere to God's 10 commandments too strict?"

If we make any appeal to the Ten Commandments for righteous living, then the Cross of Christ will have no effect to the earnest soul. As the apostle wrote, "For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." ( Romans 7:11,12).

What is this Commandment that he speaks of? All the Law that God had brought forth to His people, which included the Decalogue. What was the purpose of those Holy Laws? Romans 7:13: "Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful".

God's Laws not only revealed to Israel what He required of them, but that they might learn how sinful they can be & how their inability to obey the Law can separate them from a Holy God. As the apostle stated, that Law brought the prospect of death to him, finally slaying him. But only in Christ he could find release & the ability to obey God correctly.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore (as a result), as by one man sin entered into the world ( Genesis 3), and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

all man (woman, children) on this earth are sinners . Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) is not looking for perfection.

he's looking for *grief (repentance) and repentance from within ( Ps. 51:4). that inner thought and mind.

that inner regret and groaning because of bad . but what if a person keep sinning willingly? Hebrews 10:26; 1 Corinthians 6:9,10

however, what can be done to run in a way that doesn't cause

a big stumble or fall with self or others?

Psalm 1:1-3; 2 Timothy 3:16,17 study and correct

Luke 22:40 prayer

1Corinthians 15:33 Abandon anything that is influencing bad behavior.( Proverbs 13:20)

*Example of major sin:

2Samuel 12:1-18; Ps. 51:4

I hope this helps. there is more... but don't want to

overwhelm. ( Romans 7:14-25)

To Teresa: Romans 7:24; Job 14:14

1 Corinthians 15:22 says For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

( Genesis 3; John 3:16,17;5:28,29; John 17:3)

Resurrected to earth: ( 2 Peter 3:13)

Psalm 37:9-11,29,34;

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

or

Resurrected to heaven: ( Revelation 20)

Revelation 14:3 (144,000); Matthew 7:21

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

hope this helps, Thanks

Hi Lucio.

Great question, I believe the only way to Live like Christ is to be led by Christ, and that is the Holyspirit. We can't do that by effort, As Paul said in Romans 7:18. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

We are his disciples, ( which means to follow someones teachings) We don't follow Him with observation, We follow him because we HEAR HIS VOICE!! This is with our inner ear and spiritually opened eyes. This is the NEW CREATURE WE HAVE BECOME IN CHRIST.

That is the difference between being under the law and being filled with the Spirit. Israel did not bare fruit under the law because the law could not produce fruit. This is why they was called a degenerate vine in Jeremiah 2:21.

This is why Jesus said I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

John 15:1.

And also: John 15:5. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for ( WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING.)

This is why Jesus told his disciples to tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

I hope this helps.

God bless.