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It should be noted that "accepting" Jesus is something the demons do according to James (and rather sarcastically at that). He is feared among them for His authority; but not worshipped as they gave up their rightful place through rebellion that they were created for. Christ is Lord over all creation; as all will bow down before Him. ( Isaiah 45:23). In terms of Savior; all those who are called are chosen. This is in a sense Him "accepting us" as He does into the beloved ( Ephesians 1:6). Even repentance is a gift according to other verses in Acts 11:18 for one example.

If we HAVE heard of Christ; then we can either worship Him and fall on our knees; or reject Him. This is how man understands God based on whether the Holy Spirit has truly done a work in him. Often; though we don't read John 3:16 as something beyond a one time act; it is worded that way though as a continual ongoing process. A true believer; according to Romans goes on to be glorified ( Romans 8:30). Time is infinite with God's perspective; as many things were decided before the foundation of the world. We can see this in Revelation; as well as all will worship the Beast not written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world ( Rev. 13:8).

If we haven't heard of Him; then surely God will send a dream; vision or missionary as evidenced by many Muslims and others in the world today. Abraham was called and sent away from his pagan origins to the land of Promise by the Lord.

If we truly seek Him; there may be a process but we will find the truth. Romans 1 and Psalm 19 make man without excuse; as clearly in the Creation evidence of Him is seen. In all that we see how short we are of His glory; a tattered fallen Creation; and our need for rescue from inevitable physical death as well as begin to see a righteousness that we cannot obtain or reach in our fleshy nature. Ecclesiastes also states how God has put "eternity in their hearts." ( Ecclesiastes 3:11).

Dear Deborah Kuradal, You say you need God in your life right now...let me ask you this? Have you been born again? If you have, trust in Him. Here are some verses which have helped me.

1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Romans 8:38,39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ps. 56:3 Whenever I am afraid, I will trust in You.

Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord

Have you been born again? If not, here is the Way.

"As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)



"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)



"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)



That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

God bless you!

Ecclesiastes 3:21 indicates that the soul (or breath) of an animal descents downward to the earth; whereas of man it ascends upward (as man dies once and goes to judgment Heb. 9:27). This is; as far as I can see the only verse that indicates what happens after an animal dies.

One could infer that with "all creation travailing" ( Romans 8:22) that death has caused all of His creation; designed to live eternally to be interrupted from that purpose. There is no specific verse that would indicate a Resurrection of an animal; but with a new heaven and earth it certainly can't be ruled out.

Humans; as the scriptures show were created with "eternity in their hearts." ( Ecclesiastes 3:11). We also have some understanding of good and evil; hence unlike animals we are sinners (see Romans 1; Psalm 19). With Christ; we have His Spirit living in us; and praise God He will never leave nor forsake us. Without Christ; as the Psalms state we are as brute beasts; and we surely have no hope.

God did; however allow the serpent in the garden to be used as a conduit for Satan. This apparently caused the species to have to crawl in the dirt rather than stand upright after that event. It would seem somehow that the serpent itself was cursed as though it had some affinity for evil. That raises questions I can't fully answer. The case of Balaam and the talking donkey in Numbers 22 shows how an animal spoke; and surely showed proper reverence for God; as well as showing how an animal can see into the spiritual dimension when man is too dumb and blinded himself to do this. There is another example in Kings where a lion stood next to a donkey after mauling the disobedient prophet. There were also verses where lions were kept from mauling David; but afterwards God had them maul His enemies. God surely provides as He does for the birds in their great feast in Armageddon; even creatures in the burning fringes of hell in other verses. There is a master plan for all creation.

Romans 8:15-23

The purpose of this passage is to explore what is promised by the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry Abba, Father. The promise goes far beyond our souls and the glorious redemption of our bodies. It encompasses all aspects of the creation God gave Adam and Eve dominion over.

Since Adam did possess a soul and was put over all creatures, the consequence of his fall and the curse placed on Eve, Adam and the Serpent has affected far more than humanity. The creatures remained subject to Adam and Eve have been subjected to the fall and curse with them.

Fortunately for them and us, Christ is the second Adam, and the redemption God will bring about through Him won't merely equal the fall and curse in it effects, it will far exceed them. As a result, the creatures also share in the reign of Christ and the fulfillment of the promised hope of His Spirit of adoption in us.

So do animals need a soul to benefit from Christ? No. Is there a future for them in God's plan in Christ? Yes.

Hello Roy,

Wonderful question and I would suspect that the majority of us have pondered this at some moment in our lives.

Over the years I have read(heard) many illogical and unbiblical answers. So what we all would like to know is how did Noah really live to be 950 years old!? Was the length of a year different? Did the Earth spin faster?(small joke)

I will offer what I believe to be a biblical view that coincides with many a scripture.

Romans 8:13-17

We know that the first man in creation, being Adam, was formed in God's image, His perfection. Man formed in perfection. The closer we get to the first generations of God's creation the more God-like I believe they must have been.

Galatians 3:13 Jeremiah 17:5-6

Once sin began to take course the following generations began to suffer. As time passed and we come to Moses, he only lived to be 120.

I believe that in the Garden of Eden God's creation of man had fallen due to the fall of man. In other words, had sin not infiltrated the generations of man we would still be having a conversation, today, with men of long ago. Imagine having children at 100, or serving our Lord for 900 years. I can't even fathom. Those first men must also have shared Much more in common with God than we do. Today we are "built cheap" because of sin.

Another thought if I may. During the fall in Eden God also cursed the ground. Imagine what our world would be today.

I hope that this helps to understand the question of time being different in the OT days vs modern day.

God Bless you brother

Numbers 1:49,

Hello Whitfield. It appears confusing & contradicting when we look at 2 Samuel 24:1 & then compare it with 1 Chronicles 21:1. The first Scripture suggests that it was God Who incited King David to conduct this census, whereas the second Scripture tells us that it was Satan who was involved. I see this matter with David as similar to the encounter that Satan had with Job ( Job 1:6-12), where Satan came before God desiring to test Job's mettle. God sometimes uses or allows Satan to have his way with people for a variety of reasons; in the case with Job, to test his love & faithfulness to the God he worshipped & served; & in the case of King David, to test his trust in the power & sovereignty of the God Who was his delight. Job passed - David failed.

If it weren't for the 2 Chronicles reference, one could easily accept that God instigated David to sin; but God's Spirit saw to it that we would be clear in understanding this: that God allowed David to fall under the testing of Satan. And by David hearkening to Satan's voice rather than trusting in the Power & Will of God for him & all Israel, we see that David failed & allowed his desire to know the strength of his forces against his enemies rather than trusting that God can deal with any enemy with only a few men or even none. 1 Samuel 14:6, reveals this Truth, when Jonathan declared to his armour-bearer, "for there is no restraint to the LORD to save by many or by few." And it was this faith by Jonathan in God, that got him the victory.

Even with Joab, David's army captain urging him to not take that path to conduct this ill-considered census, David even disregarded his advice, rather gave into his own fleshly lusts, inspired of Satan, to disregard the power of God & to elevate his own power & prestige. So, in 2 Samuel 24:1, God's Anger was "kindled against Israel" & "moved in David", but I believe it would be correct to give much regard to Satan's initial work of inspiration to bring folly to the people of God.

I absolutely love this verse. Next to Romans 8:28 and Ephesians 2:8-10 it is my favorite and says it all.

Why did it seem to anger almighty God when King David tried to do a census of the Jews?

Romans 8:26

Hi Roy.

To add to the truths that Gigi and Roman has shared.

(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.)

Romans 5:13.

But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Romans 7:8-14.

2 Corinthians 3:7-10.

To put it simply, the law is Holy, and man fails to live up to God standard and the law reveals that. When the law came it pronounced every man guilty.

Christ crucifixion and resurrection sanctified us positionally, Ephesians 2:5-6. and practically. Romans 6:1-6. and

Romans 8:11-13.

I hope this helps

God bless.

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Now what about the believer in Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, who makes claim to the Ten Commandments, that we're required to obey them. I perceive that those who say this speak simply about God's Commands given that still have eternal moral & spiritual value to all people for all time. And that is true, for Romans 7:12 says, "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." There's nothing wrong with the Law - what brings us into error, is our appeal to it & requiring others to be brought under it.

Paul went on in that passage to describe how the Law only showed him the wretched state of his soul - if he was left in that state, he would be doomed. But he saw 'another law (now working) in his members'. The Law that revealed to him his weakness to keep it & being a total failure, was overtaken by another Law of God now working in his mind. He goes on in Romans 8:1,2 to state that now there is no condemnation by God to those who don't "walk after the flesh" (i.e. sin in his members revealed by the Law), but "walk after the Spirit". For it is "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death"; a new Law that not only replaced the Old that brought death, but also gave power & liberty by the Spirit to fully know & obey God's Holy requirements. And when we fail, then there lies mercy to forgive & restore. Under the old Law, there was no mercy ( Hebrews 10:28).

Who then requires me to obey the letter of the Law for a right standing before God? God certainly doesn't, for I am set free to obey God as His Spirit directs me. Is it only the Ten Commandments or the '613 other commandments' that must apply to me, or maybe the millions of laws that bring out the spirit of the letter, that we might "serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter" ( Romans 7:6)?

Jernej, we are not robots. God gave us free will to do His will or to do evil. You can choose between porn and God's commandments. It is hard, but all things are possible with God. Ask Him to forgive you and mean it by repenting, that is, never doing it again. Immerse yourself in Him by praying, reading His Word, singing, going to church, seeking fellowship with other Christians. When the devil gives you the urge to go back to porn, rebuke him and he will flee. James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Here are other verses that will help you.

--Corinthians 10:5 Take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. Philippians 4:8: Whatever is... true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent and praiseworthy.

-- Romans 8:38,39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

-- Ps. 56:3 Whenever I am afraid, I will trust in You.

-- Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

-- 1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

-- Psalms 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

-- Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

-- Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Let this be your aim:

-- Galatians 2:20 - I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

May God bless you!

Hello Bennie. Both 'election' & 'predestination' are never in the power or domain of mankind, but rests entirely in the omniscience & purposes of God. Most don't see much difference between those words as they both denote 'a special selection to receive a specific result'.

But the difference is apparent, where the 'elect' are the specially chosen of God (i.e. of Israel: Romans 11:26-28; and of the Church: Romans 8:33; 1 Peter 1:1,2; Colossians 3:12). And those of the elect (the Church now, as "blindness in part is happened to Israel" ( Romans 11:25), are predestined for a reason: Ephesians 1:11,12, to give praise to God's Glory (in His Love, redemption plan, life in the Spirit; all that Israel failed to grasp. And Ephesians 1:5, predestined to become His adopted children by Jesus Christ's Sacrifice; again that which Israel forfeited by their rejection of their Messiah). Though the day will come, when Israel will re-enter that blessed position when they bow before Jesus ( Romans 11:15-26) & both saved Jew & Gentile will share together as God's family.

I shared the above, though that wasn't your enquiry, as I hope that you might see that both 'election' & 'predestination' is all of God's Work according to His Will & Knowledge. We know that we are blessed in being God's elect & have been assured of adoption into His family, & that happens only after our own humbling before Him & repentance, being drawn to God by His Spirit & then receiving His Spirit into our lives. Israel had every opportunity to truly be God's children & servants, but they never bore His Light to the world, rather lived in spiritual darkness. 2 Timothy 2:19: "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his." God know those who are His - His Seal is upon them, they are the elect. Our knowledge of our election is when the Holy Spirit does His Work in our hearts, confirming His Work of Grace & giving us the assurance of eternal life.

Thanks for that very pertinent response brother S. Spencer. Sabbath in the beginning was essentially a rest day - for Israel - had nothing to do with worship, though it would have been a good occasion for personal reflection. And yet that Law & all Laws were given to not only show God's Righteous Standards, but Israel's inability to fully obey & reach that standard. Hence, the Law could only point everyone to the One Who could keep it perfectly & this was what Israel should have been earnestly seeking. Had they turned to the Law-Giver rather than rejecting Him, they would have understood that the Law, though holy & good, "was weak through the flesh" (it was powerless because our flesh could never meet & fulfil its high demands).

Israel & all mankind were doomed for their failures & sins, but for 'God sending His Own Son in our flesh, AND for sin, condemned sin in the flesh' ( Romans 8:3). "Sin is the transgression of the Law" but Jesus brought judgement to that sin (not to the Law) by meeting its every demand upon Him. So the Law & the sin that is its product, is now rendered useless/uncondemning to those who take hold of Jesus by faith - deriving their righteousness, that is without the Law, through the One Who gives us the victory over sin's judgement & sin's power, that is to say, the Law.

While we live "in Christ Jesus" and "walk after the Spirit" fulfilling the righteousness of the Law ( Romans 8:1,4) based on faith in the One Who abrogated the letter which only kills, how then can we turn to (or, even appeal to) the "weak & beggarly elements" that only have bondage & sin as their end ( Galatians 4:9)? Just a few thoughts here that your comment inspired in me to share.

Hi Karen. I love those verses in Philippians 2:12,13. In my heart, they are very rich in meaning. You're correct that salvation is a free gift - in entirety - we can contribute nothing at all to make our salvation anymore secure or special - in Christ Jesus, God has had His demands for our redemption fully realized & nothing more could be done by Him, & certainly, not by us.

If then salvation is offered freely to all when the sinner comes in repentance & faith, why the need to work out our salvation with fear & trembling? I realize that many 'Christians' have been taught, or they may have come to a wrong understanding, that if salvation is a free gift & secures them entirely, then whatever sin they commit & whatever amount of sin they engage in, will not negate that free gift. But this is a grossly false understanding from Satan, which might even show that an unregenerated spirit still exists within. When that gift is given, the forgiven sinner is so thankful for the burden & consequences of sin being removed. And that forgiven sinner also receives the Promise of the Father, the Gift of the Holy Spirit Who will indwell the child of God ( John 14:17; Romans 8:9). So, now we have a new person; outwardly without change, but inwardly completely renewed by God.

But Satan is never far away to divert our hearts from God, to look to the world & its offerings, & to become less focussed upon the Lord Who saved us & to any emerging sin within. That's why the Apostle Paul & the other apostles, had to continually remind & teach believers of who they are in Christ ( 1 Corinthians 6:19,20) & not lose their focus, becoming distracted. Every believer with God's Spirit in residence will seek to please God in every way & will do so with the power He gives us. As God is in us accomplishing His Purposes in our lives (v13), so then we too must be sensitive to God, bringing forth the fruits of our salvation (i.e. v12: exercising them carefully) to the praise of God & witness to all.

Whenever I am afraid, I will trust in You. Ps. 56:3

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Psalms 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28

Hi Mary.

Here is how you define Tabernacle in the Greek by strongs dictionary in

2 Peter 1:14.

Greek:

Transliteration: sknma

Pronunciation: skay'-no-mah

Definition: From G4637; an encampment that is (figuratively) the Temple (as God s residence) the body (as a tenement for the soul): -

It is basically our bodies referred to as a tent. temporary dwelling place for our soul and spirit.

Here in 2 Corinthians 5:2. tabernacle is spelled different in the Greek and have a slightly different meaning.

I have no idea of the significance of the difference.

Maybe we can get some help.

Greek:

Transliteration: sknos

Pronunciation: skay'-nos

Definition: From G4633; a hut or temporary residence that is (figuratively) the human body (as the abode of the spirit): - .

This old body will someday get an upgrade.

Paul makes mention of that in Romans. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Romans 8:19-23.

I hope this helps.

God bless

Hello Chris,

Good question. Open your heart to GOD ALMIGHTY & allow Jesus CHRIST to be you're savior. The HOLY Spirit will guide you & teach you all truth. John 3:16-17,

Genesis 1:26-28, GOD created, multiple men & women to fill the earth, subdue tak dominion over the fish of the sea, cattle, birds of the air .

Then HE formed Man & breathed Life into him: Genesis 2:7, this is a special account because of the details Genesis 2:8,9,15, interesting that this man was alone, Gen 2:18-24 note: Genesis 4:16, they were already cast out of the garden, Cain left the 'Presence of the LORD'' it appears he left the Holy to dwell with the other men & women in a land called Nod. HOLY means set apart, Gen 4:17, then they built a city & named it. So Nod already existed. Then you have: Genesis 4:23-24 why isn't the killed man mentioned? If it was of the same parents? Therefore proving these are the other men & women Genesis 5:1-2, Genesis 4:26, Enoch the HOLY seed begins to call on GOD, "Son's of GOD" Gen 6:1-6, "Son of GOD" Jesus CHRIST Luke 3:23-38, Enos = Enoch, Romans 8:14.

Please don't believe evil lies. GOD says & our spirit testifys sin & perversion bad: Leviticus 20:17, & GOD doesn't lead us to sin : James 1:12-27, note: James 1:13-14,

Study for yourself & GOD will help you see truth.

John 3:16; John 5:24; John 6:37-40,47; John 10:27-29; Romans 6:23; Romans 8:38,39; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 2:8; Ephesians 4:30; Hebrews 13:5; 1 John 5:11-13; Jude 1:24 - are a few examples, all promising the true child of God that his/her salvation is secure forever.

Yet 1 John 3:7-10 reveals the two-faced 'Christian': having every appearance of serving God, but has sin dominating his life; living carelessly & not carefully.

The devil, is the simple answer the other is God had to redeem the world thru Christ and satan is at war with God until all is redeemed. Some of it is our sins for the wages of sin is death, you reap what you sow, you do bad the bad things things be fulfilled. The other is sin is passed thru the blood and multiplies by each generation. When lucifer rebelled, it set in motion what we are seeing, lack of faith and obedience, and there are measures in God's word that a believer can avoid sickness, diseases, and evil. Ways to be healed, ways to avoid the evils of the world but one has to read, study, and know God's word fully. 2 Corinthians 13:12 Study to show thyself approved unto God rightly dividing the word of truth, fasting and prayer as well. people blame God but it is sin not God, God knows the 1st death is not final thanks to Jesus and that is why it's called sleep and was called sleep before Christ as well. Search suffer, suffering in the search box on the kingjamesbibleonline.org site Paul wrote Romans 8:18

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us."

King James Version (KJV)

According to scripture at the end of Revelation (chapter 21 and 22); the heavenly Jerusalem descends to earth; hence it becomes united as one and the same in essence. We have the earlier verses such as 1 Cor. 15:51 about the rapture and Resurrection occurring first; as an escape from the wrath which shall come in the Tribulation; otherwise referred to as "Jacob's Trouble". After this; we have the Millennium period when the heavenly city is suspended above earth (no doubt interacting with earth and moon's gravity). The very real physical changes of mountains being abased; valleys being exalted ( Isaiah 40:4 stated in reverse order) indicates the topographical changes due to this gravitational force; and no doubt Isaiah 66 indicates how the opening to hell will be brought forth to be observed by all which will exist in a peripheral area around the city where at that time there will be the greatest height on earth in heavenly Jerusalem once Christ lands on the Mount of Olives. Eventually; after the Millennium period there is "no more sea" according to Revelation 21:1. The elements which are said to burn up in 2 Peter 3:10-12 show the day of the Lord at it's finale. (It would seem since other verses in Peter state 1000 years are as a day that the Day of the Lord is the period between the Tribulation and the Great White Throne Judgment in its entirety).

In any event; we need to establish the right standing with God in order to enter the Kingdom; namely true faith in Christ now and the resulting indwelling of the Holy Spirit which is the sealing of the down payment as Ephesians and other verses indicate. We have in a sense already died to this world and have gone from death to life if Born Again; because the process of sanctification leads to glorification as a "done deal" ( Romans 8:28-30). There still will probably be a planet where the Heavenly City comes from that may be the whole heaven as it were. We will rule and reign with Christ on earth as well.

Hi Dennis.

Ephesians 6:12.

Just wanted to bring clarity to what I posted and what has been presented. I used 2 Corinthians 4:4. You see the work of Satan that hinders the mind of most of the world.

All the blessings mentioned in the other post is offered to the "whole world" but few will receive it. Mathew 7:13-14.

The Lord is calling a people OUT of the world."His Church" starting with the Apostles who was to be a whiteness but to be separate from the world where Satan is the prince.

Here is just a few scripture references of the Lord and our relationship to the world as we stand.

John 17:9-16.

John 12:31.

1 John 2:15-17.

John 1:6-12.

In Revelation-12:9. Scripture says Satan deceives the whole world. You see by then the church is taken out of the world Gods children Will be with him, They're children of the light. Satan is the ruler of darkness. Ephesians 6:12.

When a person is not born again "Born from above", He is what is called "In the flesh" and that flesh is controlled by principalities, powers, and rulers of darkness. His father is the prince of this world! Satan rules in his heart.

The Lord came to give you a NEW heart and a new spirit as he promised the Jews in Ezekiel 36:26-27.

More references:

Beginning with Luke 4:5-7. Here you see Satan tries to temp Jesus to bypass the cross where he will bruise Satans head and have the final climax in Revelation.

Did you notice, Jesus never refuted satans claim?

This is why Paul stated this in Romans 8:19-22.

This is why Abraham pitched tents looking for a land who's maker is God.

Peter says we are strangers and pilgrims.

When Christ come set up his literal kingdom he will rule with a rod of iron and rule in mans heart.

That has not happened yet.

God bless.

1 Peter 2:20

"For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God."

2 Timothy 3:12

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."

Romans 8:17

"And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."

Philippians 1:29

"For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;"

King James Version (KJV)

Here is the verse, 13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. It is talking about being tempted not being able to stand suffering, but I hope this verse explains it and Let me say this, God's word is where we find shelter you have to read read read it. Philippians 1:29

"For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;"

Romans 8:17

"And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."

1 Peter 2:20

"For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God."

I pray this helps and if you use the search box and use suffer, suffering you can read more verses and remember Jesus sent the Comforter to us, the Holy ghost to comfort us. I'll being praying for you.

1 Timothy 2:5, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 7:25-26, John 16:23-24, John 14:14, hopefully these are helpful

Hi K; I have read what you wrote, and I must confess, I have very little faith when it comes to transliteration bibles, I prefer the King James or the Septuagint. In the KJB Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The question from this text is when could the morning stars sing together, knowing that these are the angels, with the sons of God, knowing that these are mankind. Please note Hebrews 1:5 God never calls angels sons of God, first let me say, only a human being can become a son of God, Read Luke 1:38 Adam was a son of God, then compare that statement to John 1:12 only Christians can become sons of God, or compare that to Romans 8:14, only Christians who have matured enough to be led by the Holy Ghost, can become a son of God. Do not allow yourself to be deceived by false teachers or books, like the book of Enoch, which is heresy, stating it rained in the days of Enoch, more than 300 years before it rained in the bible. So I believe Gen. 2:8-9 Angels were created in front of Adam as the metaphorical word, trees. This is explained in Ezekiel 31:8-9

Hi Cassandra. Yes, they most certainly do, if they have recognized Jesus as their Messiah, turned to Him in faith, confessing their sins & being born again of His Spirit. When once they had trusted in keeping the Laws & their special heritage from God to be eternally secure, if they now realize that obedience to the Law, which only brings death, is of absolutely no worth when compared to the obedience to Christ & His Spirit Who gives eternal life, then they like all others who confess Jesus will go to be with the Lord (see Romans 7:9,10; Romans 2:28,29; 2 Corinthians 3:6-8; Romans 8:8-10).

Jews who have recognized Jesus as the true Messiah, often refer to themselves as Messianic Jews: acknowledging that their longed for Messiah has indeed come & first brought salvation & new birth within the sinner (both Jew & Gentile), & then will one day come in Glory to bring salvation from their enemies & a new government raised & governed in righteousness.

Praise the True and living God!

Hello Utibe. The one who has been truly saved & has God's Spirit in them, can never be lost back into Satan's domain. These people will remain faithful to their Lord, suffering all things for His sake, & hating even the smell of sin entering their lives. There are many 'Christians' who faithfully attend a Fellowship, witness to others & give every appearance of being saved, but when adversity comes or even when committing sin isn't all that important, they fall away, turning their backs to the One they once called their Saviour. The Lord knows who belongs to Him; 2 Timothy 2:19, "the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

Here are some Scriptures showing God's Part in saving & securing those who have truly repented & turned from a life of sin - being born again of His Spirit:

John 10:27-29; Ephesians 1:13,14; Ephesians 4:30; 2 Corinthians 5:17; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 1 John 5:13; Romans 8:33-39.

But there is also the other side, where some Scriptures seem to indicate that a Christian can apostatize, such as:

1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; 2 Peter 2:20-22; Hebrews 3:12.

But the ultimate test of real faith is when our love, even our lives hang in the balance. Will we deny Christ - will we save our lives rather than lose it for Jesus? Many 'Christians' would under examination want to save themselves, yes, even those who attend a Fellowship & follow through with Christian disciplines. We should not have to hear those words in Matthew 7:21-23, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."