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Part III God's ETERNAL Assurance

"Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities Are Forgiven, And whose sins Are Covered [By HIS BLOOD?]! Blessed is the man to whom The LORD WILL NOT Impute sin!" Romans 4:7-8

YES, By HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD:

"But God Commendeth HIS LOVE Toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, CHRIST Died for us. Much More Then, being NOW JUSTIFIED BY HIS BLOOD, we SHALL BE SAVED From wrath Through HIM. For if, when we were enemies, we Were Reconciled To God By The Death Of HIS SON, Much More, being Reconciled, we SHALL BE SAVED BY HIS LIFE!" Romans 5:8-10

God's All-Sufficient GRACE?

"For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; Much More they which Receive Abundance Of GRACE And Of The Gift Of Righteousness Shall reign in life By One, JESUS CHRIST!" Romans 5:17

"And HE Who Searcheth the hearts Knoweth What Is The Mind Of The Spirit, Because HE Maketh Intercession For the saints According To The Will Of God!" Romans 8:27

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God's OPERATION!:

[ God, Who Raises the dead! {v. 9} ], "Who Delivered us from so Great a death, And Doth Deliver: in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!"

Expounded:

PAST Tense = { Justification!!! = God Establishes Eternal Relationship! } "Who Delivered us from so great a death,... {From The PENALTY of sin!}

PRESENT Tense = { Sanctification!! = WE work out fellowship on earth! } ...And Doth Deliver:... {From The POWER of sin!!}

FUTURE Tense = { Glorification! = Eternal fellowship, In Heaven!!! Amen?} ...in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!" {From The PRESENCE of sin!!!} 2 Corinthians 1:10

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All Of The Above Are Because Of The "FINISHED" Work Of CHRIST On The CROSS, For God's Glory And GRACE! {NOT "what WE do/don't do!"}

Precious struggling friend(s):

Is The Precious BLOOD Of CHRIST ALL-SUFFICIENT for you?

To be continued in Part IV

Sister GiGi, When the Spirit causes me (everyone) to respond to HIS WILL we may think that the verses we respond with is our works and our knowledge; but this not true, the Spirit cause us to bring to mind the scriptures he wills to be revealed. We are just THE POT. Just as the Holy men of old wrote what God willed them to write we do the same.

The scriptures I quoted came from the Spirit causing me to quote those scriptures that he willed.

All the comments and scriptures you (the pot) have given; were not actually from you, but the potter.

Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My Spirit (the Father's) that is upon thee (the Son), and my words (the Father's) which I have put in thy (the Son's) mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy (the Son's) SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

WE are being CREATED in HIS IMAGE ( Romans 8:29)( 1 Corinthians 15:49).

Psalms 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people that shall be CREATED shall praise the Lord.

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy SPIRIT, they are CREATED: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

GBU

People like to make things more complicated than they are.

Blasphemy: Contemptuous or profane speech or action concerning God or a sacred entity.

Contempt: a feeling that someone or something is not worthy of any respect or approval

Contempt against the Holy Spirit is equal to not being saved. How can someone who accepts Jesus as their savior and have the Holy Spirit hold it in contempt? Conversely, How can someone whose sins aren't forgiven be saved? If you are saved, this doesn't apply to you.

Don't live in fear over this or over anything. F.E.A.R. = False Evidence Appearing Real. Fear is Satan's strongest weapon to destroy your life. Fear is the opposite of love. Even your misinterpretations of the bible can be used against you.

If you have blasphemous thoughts over this it's because your mind focuses on what you fear. Those thoughts are not your own, don't accept them. If you actively try to ignore something, the opposite will happen. Instead, focus on good things.

John 5:24, Romans 8:15

Next, I want to comment about what God said to the serpent. I am so glad that God made it clear to Adam and Eve that this flashy, fancy-dancy serpent is not a friend of God or mankind. He let them know that the devil is our enemy and should never be trusted. God let Adam and Eve know that the devil answers to God, not the other way around and that God is more powerful and has more authority than the devil. Those are excellent things to know! God could have spoken to Adam and Eve without the serpent being present and visa-versa. But God wanted both parties to hear what he had to say and what judgements He pronounced for each party. There was so much for Adam and Eve to learn about both God and the devil. It was truly good for them to learn this right away after their first sin of disobedience.

I have always been touched by the story of Joseph and how after it was coming to fruition, Joseph said that what was intended to him for evil, God turned into good to him (paraphrase). Isn't that what happened here in Eden, too? I think this is part of the reason God put so much information in the Bible about certain people and the right and wrong they did in order for those people and us can learn about how He works all things for good to those who love Him and are called by His purpose. ( Romans 8:28) He loves us and nothing can separate us from His love!

Lastly, I have often thought how amazing the cherubim and sword must have looked that guarded the entrance to Eden. Adam and Eve must have been amazed by its beauty and also a bit terrified at the same time. Can we even imagine the outstanding, extraordinariness of heavenly creatures! They rightly put Satan and all fallen angels to shame! No wonder the prophets had such strong physical reactions to the visions God brought to them. Our flesh can barely stand the holy. Not even Moses was allowed to see God's face on Sinai, but He did experience God's glory. Wow! Life changing!

I am looking for a Bible study group in my area I live in the Los Angeles area and if anyone would like to start a Bible study group I am praying Jesus will help us , I am ashamed that I have not been actively obedient or disciplined enough to regularly study my Bible so if you can pray for me pray that I find brothers and sisters in Jesus that I can study with together.

God bless and thank you

Part II

2 Corinthians 1:9-10

"...God Which raiseth the dead: Who Delivered us from so great a death, and Doth Deliver: in Whom we trust that He Will Yet Deliver us"

2) God's Eternal Salvation in The Present Tense:

The believer Should do 'good works' for which we 'are created In Christ Jesus' Ephesians 2:10

Note that 'these works' will Never Be Equal to the Total Payment That Christ Made For 'the Penalty of sin,' for which "He Already Delivered" us in the past tense of 2 Corinthians 1:10

These good works are for submission To Him, so that 'He Doth Deliver' us from 'the Power of sin,' present tense of 2 Corinthians 1:10

We "work out Our Own salvation" which Should Be a lifetime of Deliverance From the Power of sin! Our personal {set our-'Self' apart} sanctification:

2A)

"Access The GRACE, Wherein ye stand!..." Romans 5:2

1) "Die Daily" by submission, according to Paul's exhortation:

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, By the Mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice..." Romans 12:1-2 cp 1 Corinthians 15:31

2)

"Walk In The Spirit!" Romans 8:1,4 Galatians 5:16,25

"And walk in love, as Christ Also Hath Loved us, and Hath Given HIMSELF For us An Offering and A Sacrifice To God for a sweet-smelling savour." Ephesians 5:2

2b)

Fulfil, by faith, ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself!" Galatians 5:6 Galatians 5:14 Romans 13:8-10

2c)

Study HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, to show thyself Approved Unto God! 2 Timothy 2:15 Eternal Results:

reward, or loss thereof 1 Corinthians 3:6-15, ruling and reigning With CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be At The Judgment Day:

3) God's Eternal Salvation in The Future Tense:

CHRIST's GLORIFICATION of All "members" Of HIS Body! This Is ETERNAL DELIVERANCE From the Presence of sin! 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 1 Corinthians 15:51-57



Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship Romans - Philemon

Are you referring to scripture like Hebrew 12:25

There is intercession Exodus 32:11, Genesis 18

Actually there is a way, Isaiah 6:8, Romans 8:34,

It depends on who it is doing the saving. If Jesus the only begotten son of the father, True and only God has saved you - then nothing shall ever separate you from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord!

Romans 8:35-39!

It is written that you were bought and paid with a price (Jesus's Blood) - therefore you are not your own. Thank God for this. You are not allowed to judge another man's servant - namely you. It is also written that He will never leave you or forsake you. He cannot lie and His word cannot be broken! He has come to World to save mankind.

If you believe in the Death Burial and Resurrection of Jesus The Christ then you have True Life! For it is the power onto salvation to all that Believe!

1 Corinthians 15: 3,4

John 3:16

Let us not trust in our own works our our own righteousness- But let us only Believe in His Work on the Cross!

Let's keep it simple and our Faith in Jesus - for He will put no one to shame that trusts in Him!

Praise God!!!

Sister Shirley, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.

Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption unto the glorious liberty of the CHILDREN OF GOD.

When God has gathered all the Sons of GOD (those being born again NOW), then he will resurrect all the dead back into their flesh and those sons with him will JUDGE THE EARTH.

Isaiah 26:9 .... For when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau, and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

Proverbs 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged .....

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall have been subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

Does this sound like God is going to send men to hell INSTEAD OF SAVING THEM.

Hello Bill,

Here is what I believe about immediate salvation. I believe that salvation takes place the moment that the Spirit of Christ enters into our spirit. Without His Spirit, there is no salvation. Romans 10:13 says that all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. I believe that to be a promise that if we call upon Him to have mercy on us that He will at some point save us. I can't say it is immediate because only the Lord knows our hearts. But the promise that He will is still there. It's as it is a guarantee.

We are also told in Romans 8:9 that if we do not have the Spirit of God in us, we do not belong to Him. In other words, without His Spirit in us, there is no salvation that took place. So as far as when salvation takes place, I believe it is when His Spirit enters into our spirit. That's is when I believe that salvation takes place.

What I mean by saying for some it is immediate, and for others it could take a while, and it is something that you yourself touched on when you said if it is sincere and spiritually made it is immediate. I completely agree with you on that, amen! I can say that that was the case for me. I said a so called "sinners prayer" years before I actually received Christ. It wasn't sincere. I did it in front of my mother and her evangelist friend in order to please my mother, not because I wanted to surrender to Christ. There was no immediate salvation there at that time for me, even though I called upon the name of the Lord. He had to prepare my heart and it took years before I was ready to receive Him and make Him the Lord of my life.

I have a little more to say but am running out of space here. I am going to try and finish this up in a second post. I just wanted to clarify what I was saying. I don't see you as being argumentative at all. I'll send more as a (Part 2).

Brother Adam, If man has FREEWILL, why does man ALWAYS chose EVIL, why wouldn't at least a FEW men choose to never sin. If they have FREEWILL.

But, that would make this scripture a LIE:

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO ....

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin (No), can a leopard change his spots? (No) then may you also do good, (No) that are accustomed TO DO evil.

Romans 8:20 For the creature itself was made SUBJECT TO VANITY, not willingly ....

Sister Cassidy, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I don't know if you know THE ANGEL (messenger) OF THE LORD (Father) in the old testament WAS and IS CHRIST.

Romans 8:29 ... the image of Christ (angel of the Lord)....firstborn among MANY BRETHREN .....

It takes the Spirit CAUSING you to put verses TOGETHER to come to TRUTH.

Isaiah 28:9-11

Dgjot, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Try to understand that you ARE NOT separate and apart from God, but ONE, you do not exist apart from God.

NOW:

Philippians 2: 13 For it is God (the spirit of LIFE and TRUTH IN YOU) that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL AND TO DO his good pleasure.

He is the ONLY LIFE and he is working to make you that LIFE ALSO. He want FAIL.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom we also have obtained an INHERITANCE, being predestinated according to the PURPOSE OF HIM who worketh all things after the council of HIS WILL.

Romans 8:29 For whom he foreknow, he also predestinated to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON, so that he might be the first borne among many brethren.

Isaiah 14:24 ....Surely as I have thought, so it shall come to pass, an as I have purposed, so shall it stand.

You are replying to a comment by "Vickie Moller"

Jesus Christ sent Paul ( Acts 9:15) to preach about his name. Jesus Christ

means in Hebrew "Jehovah is Salvation" ( John 3:16,17; Psalm 83:18)

so Paul was taking the lead and many other qualified men were appointed

to lead the congregations or "Churches KJV". 1 Timothy 3

According to Acts 2 man and woman fulfilled the prophecy at Joel 2:28

during a day of Pentecost ( Acts 2:16-18). All were filled with the holy spirit ( john 4:24)

were all at the same time speaking in tongues. (multitudes heard in his own language

Acts 2:1,3,6)

Paul was maybe trying to explain that the congregation is not that event.( 1 Corinthians 12:27-31)

that they must speak or prophecy one at a time. to keep the congregation in order. 1Corinthians 14:33.

However, because a man is the head of his wife. a wife remains silent in the congregation ( 1Tim. 2:12).

if she wants to ask a question about something. she should not become authoritative within

the congregation or church (if she doesn't understand something, she should go to her husband).

1 Corinthians 14:35

Ephesians 5:21-24

if someone is single. then the head would be Jesus Christ because he is the head of the man (Jesus Christ has appointed qualified men to shepherd the congregation John 21:17. if a woman is single or not married, she can

go to the one taking the lead, and they can pray for her.

James 5:14-16

1 Samuel 1:9-18; Luke 10:38-42;

Acts 20:28; 1 Timothy 3

Regarding woman and head covering, according to 1 Corinthians 11:5,8;

if her husband is present, she covers her head if she is preaching or praying.

if her husband is not present and she preaches and prophecies or prays to God,

then she should cover her head as a sign of authority because of the angels.

this is what the scripture says. I can't tell you anything other

1 Corinthians 11:2-3;8-10; 1Tim. 2:12

1 Corinthians 11:1,2,16 "keeping the order as delivered to them"

"we have no custom of being contentious about"

According to first Corinthians 11 should a woman cover her head when she prays or prophesies either in her own private prayer and devotion time, or in public gatherings? And according to first Corinthians 14:34 should a woman keep silent in church?

At 1st glance it appears to be truth. I went through a Bible study with a Pastor friend I really respected, who taught this idea also & it seemed accurate but didn't set right in my Spirit. Years later I was reading Genesis & noticed something important that contradicts the "angels" married women: Genesis 4:26, (Son's of God ) * Romans 8:14, so it defines who are the son's of God, Jesus also defines the son's & daughters of God: Matthew 12:50, additional scriptures to back it up 2 Corinthians 6:17,18

1 Corinthians 6:3, Galations 4:6,7

& if the Son's of GOD are those who do GOD's will, then that rejects fallen angel theory. & if we are called sons & daughters, it's mankind.

2 Peter 2:11,12, James 2:19,

Further scriptures: Jude 1:6,7,8,9,10, Hebrews 1:13,14

&

Tobit so far is the most indepth book speaking on these matters & interaction between Angels, & evil Spirits. Here are notable scriptures Tobit 6, Tobit 7, Tobit 8. If that kind of relation could have happened as you speak of wouldn't it have happened here?

2 Corinthians 12:9 God's Power Of ALL-Sufficient GRACE in our weaknesses and infirmities:

"PEACE With God," and knowing what good "tribulation worketh in us" ( Romans 5:1-5)

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." ( Romans 8:18)

The Spirit "helps our infirmities, And Prays For us" ( Romans 8:26)

The Spirit "Intercedes For us, According To The Will Of God" ( Romans 8:27)

God Makes "all things Work Together For Good," for HIS Own ( Romans 8:28)

We are "Predestinated To Be Conformed To The Image Of God's SON" ( Romans 8:29)

God Helps us "bear our testings" ( 1 Corinthians 10:13)

We have The Wonderful "Comfort Of God!" ( 2 Corinthians 1:3-4)

"For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a Far More Exceeding and Eternal Weight of Glory" ( 2 Corinthians 4:17)

God will "change our vile body" to be "like HIS Glorious Body!" ( Philippians 3:21) Amen?

Conclusion:

"For our infirmities/sufferings"? Should we not "follow Paul our 'pattern'" ( 1 Ti 1:16)?:

"And HE Said Unto me, My GRACE Is Sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that The Power of CHRIST may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for CHRIST's Sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." ( 2 Corinthians 12:9-10)

{Why do so-called "faith healers" ignore This Excellent Word Of God?}

Amen? And Amen.

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?)

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Dee, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

People SAY God is SOVEREIGN, but they don't BELIEVE IT.

They say the beast in Revelation is stronger than God, and will defeat God, and that most of mankind will go to HELL.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created ......all things were created by him, and FOR HIM. Including SATAN.

This says the BEAST (the sea of HUMANITY) was given a mark by Christ; the ability to buy and sell, and this (ability) is the MARK of (a man) MANKIND. This buy and selling, the works of man's hand; becomes an IDOIL.

More important to man than the kingdom of God.

Romans 8:20 For the creature (the sea of humanity) was made SUBJECT TO VANITY, NOT WILLINGLY ......

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

1 Thessalonians 4:17

The born again of SPIRIT, starting with the apostles and all thereafter, until the present, are ALIVE AND REMAINING NOW, in the PRESENCE of SPIRIT clothed in the BODY OF CHRIST. ( 1 Corinthians 15:54)

He who is born of SPIRIT is SPIRIT.

God is SPIRIT, Spirit is GOD.

Psalms 82:6

John 10:34-35

John 17:21-22

Isaiah 27:12

The DEAD awaiting the resurrection back to flesh, can not be caught up in to the clouds (born again of Spirit) until they are judged and die the SECOND DEATH (Truth, Life, the Way), then they CAN ALSO become SON'S OF GOD.

Isaiah 26:9

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the CREATURE waiteth for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.

Romans 8:21 For the CREATURE ITSELF shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (flesh) into the glorious liberty of the SONS OF GOD (Spirit).

Sister Glenda, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Age is in YOUR favour; because, you can look back at more experiences of LIFE, than your daughter.

The SPIRIT has CAUSED you (through the CHOICES he CAUSED you to make) to have those experiences of LIFE (good and evil) because it is necessary to become like God. ( Genesis 3:22)

God KNOWS how to USE EVIL for GOOD.

God CAUSED Joseph to have a silly little dream and to tell his brothers about that dream.

God CAUSED his brothers to be envious and hate Joseph.

God CAUSED his brothers to rise up and do EVIL against their brother Joseph.

But look what THE WORD SAYS:

Genesis 50:19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not, for I am in the place of God (where God purposed him to be).

Genesis 50:20 But as FOR YOU, you thought EVIL against me, but God meant (caused) it (evil) unto GOOD, to bring to pass, as it is this day, TO SAVE MUCH PEOPLE ALIVE.

God is STILL DOING this TODAY; Man just does't BELIEVE IT.

Did Judas have a Choice outside of what God had purposed him TO DO.( Zechariah 11:12)

Did Peter have a Choice outside of what God had purposed him TO DO (deny Jesus and flee)( Zechariah 13:7).

Did Pharaoh have a Choice outside of what God had purposed Him TO DO ( Romans 9:17).

Did David have a Choice outside of what God purposed him TO DO.

2 Samuel 24:1 And AGAIN the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he MOVED (CAUSED) David against them, to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

God PURPOSED that you are going to become the IMAGE of HIM ( Romans 8:29)( 1 Corinthians 15:49), Do you think you have a CHOICE outside of what he has purpose you TO DO.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit in you, and CAUSE you to walk in my statues (good or evil), and you shall keep my judgements, and DO THEM.

God's WAY is not man's WAY.

Chris,

If I may ask a question, I respect your knowledge of scripture. Jesus is the Son of God the beginning of creation, He is the first and the last, and His name is above all other names that are named and through Him, all was created. After His resurrection, God placed Him above all, until He puts every enemy under His feet, and we know that is death, ( 1 Corinthians 15:25-28).

We do see in ( Romans 8:3) He was sent in the likeness of sinful flesh, but there was not any sin in Him as was the first Adam when God formed him. The way many use the word Godhead, which is the same Greek words for divine, divinity, and divine being, gives the impression that Jesus could not sin. If Jesus was unable to sin what did He defeat? ( Hebrews 2:14-19)

The covenant had to be fulfilled in the flesh that was capable of sinning to be able to break the curse of sin. Jesus coming and what He suffered for us was the will of the Father. We even see in ( Matthew 26:39-44) and ( Luke 22:41-44) being in agony asking the Father if there is another way, but not the Sons' will but the Fathers.

Can't we know and accept the divinity of Jesus, as the Son of God, His name above all names, Him (Jesus) who now holds the authority overall, by God placing Him above all, Jesus is Almighty, ( Revelation 1:8), without saying He is God, which is called a mystery and confuses many? What I see and hear from scripture, there is God the Father, the Son of God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, all are one in the will of the Father, and we as the servants of Christ, and through Jesus, we do the will of the Father and are one with the Father. Am I wrong?

I do not want to cause strife, this is just a seriously honest question asked out of love.

RLW

Romans 8:18 Precious Annie, I apologize I started the previous post with the wrong Scripture....

Romans 8:29 Precious Annie, hope this helps. Our Precious brother Sadler wrote:

"Think ahead one million years into eternity and look at our trials from heaven's point of view. From that vantage point, if you were to look back at the seemingly end-less trials of this life, they would seem as brief as a moment. Yet, these momentary afflictions work for us an eternal weight of glory.

Again, looking at our trials from heaven's point of view, thinking ahead one million years into eternity, and then looking back at the afflictions in this life which seemed too heavy to bear, they will seem light as a feather. Yet these light afflictions, work for us a far more exceeding weight of glory."

{Full Excellent Article: "Our Light, Momentary Afflictions" Pastor Kevin J. Sadler}

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, today?)

Hello Lily. If we say that the Holy Spirit is a person, some people might think that we believe in two gods. So that word (person) can often be unsuitable or confusing to some.

It's best to understand the Holy Spirit (& Jesus) as living parts or emanations from the One God. Just as Jesus, before His incarnation (i.e. coming to Earth in human form) was the Word of God ( John 1:1-14), so to the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God sent out to accomplish God's Will. Neither the Word of God (Jesus) nor the Holy Spirit are ever independent of God - all are equally One & eternally One - God wouldn't be Who He is without the Word & the Holy Spirit.

But when we read in the Bible of the Holy Spirit's Attributes & Work, we are actually seeing God manifesting Himself in the out-working of His Spirit. If you look up the following Scriptures, you can see God the Spirit manifested in a few ways:

a. He is intelligent ( 1 Corinthians 2:10,11)

b. He has feelings ( Ephesians 4:30)

c. He has a will ( 1 Corinthians 12:11)

d. He teaches ( John 14:26)

e. He guides ( John 16:13; Romans 8:14)

f. He commissions ( Acts 13:4)

g. He commands ( Acts 8:29)

h. He contends ( Genesis 6:3)

i. He intercedes ( Romans 8:26)

So, the Holy Spirit is not simply a force or a power of God, as some want to believe. He is God Himself because He goes about His Work as God desires (i.e. as if God was on Earth doing it). Nothing the Spirit does is contrary or independent of God, just as Jesus on Earth, perfectly fulfilled God's Will through His Words, His Life, His Work, & His Death (you can read Jesus' wonderful prayer to His Father in this respect). I hope that has been a little helpful. May the Spirit (the Living God) help you as you meditate on these things from the Word.

Sister Annie, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

God is SPIRIT, spirit can not be seen.

God (Spirit) wanted children (sons and daughters) of God; but he wanted them to have a BODY.

God spoke Christ (the Body) into existence. All the FULLNESS of SPIRIT (the Father) dwells in the SON (BODY of CHRIST).

Revelation 3:14 An unto the angel (Christ, the messenger of the Father) of the Church .....these things say the Amen, the faithful and true witness (of the Father), the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD(SPIRIT).

We can not even begin to fully understand the GLORY the SON has had with the Father since the BEGINNING.

The word of God tell us that through the works of the CROSS, Christ is going to give us this SAME GLORY that he shares with our Father.

When we come to this TRUTH, we are ready to be present with the Lord and absent this body.

But; our Father CAUSES us to continue SUFFERING IN THE FLESH, until our appointed time to depart this flesh.

Then this happens:

1 Corinthians 15:54 DEATH is swallowed up in VICTORY.

We are then GIVEN the BODY of CHRIST and the FULLNESS of SPIRIT (GOD).

John 17:21 And the GLORY that thou hast GIVEN me, I have GIVEN THEM; that they may be ONE as we are ONE.

Have you been through something so difficult that you thought you wouldnt make it through this.suffing at this present time. Mabee a lost love or a job. But some how God took you though, and you look back on it now and your like. Wow God i give u all the glory and praise i love you i thank suffing to glory. Amen

Here are some scriptures that I think are relevant in understanding this,

Hebrews 12:2

James 1:2-4

John 14:2

Revelations 21:4

1 Corinthians 6:3

Hopefully it's helpful & encouraging.

what does it mean suffering of this present time can't be compared

with the glory that shall be revealed?

Brother Chris, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT .....

Christ, (which is, and which was, and which is to come Revelation 1:8); IS, the ONLY ONE BODY. The VESSEL of the ONLY ONE SPIRIT. We (the firstfruits of SPIRIT)( 1 Corinthians 15:23)( Romans 8:23) become the BODY OF CHRIST ( 1 Timothy 6:16)( 1 Corinthians 15:52-55).

The SPIRIT (the source of POWER) provides ALL, the BODY does all the LABOUR. Christ has everything needed at his disposal at all times; but the SPIRIT ONLY releases it (the power)to THE BODY at the given moment it is required. I am not saying that Christ IS NOT GOD, because HE IS; it takes both (faith and labour)( James 2:17) to be GOD, SPIRIT (the SOURCE) and THE BODY (the LABOUR).

Everything is done by SPIRIT (the WORKS of the FATHER) THROUGH (the labour) of the SON.

Christ emptied HIMSELF of the Father's glory ( John 17:5) that he had with him since the beginning, and became sinful flesh, to be destroyed.

He does't know in advance the second coming, because he is given what is required, as it is required ( John 5:19)( John 5:30), just as we are ( John 15:5). We are being created like him A VESSEL OF THE SPIRIT ( Revelation 10:11).

1 Corinthians 15:28 When ALL THINGS shall be SUBJECTED to him, then shall the Son ALSO HIMSELF be SUBJECT to him (the source of power) that put all things under him that GOD (Spirit, Truth, Life) may be ALL IN ALL.

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put ALL in subjection under him, he left nothing that IS NOT PUT under him, But we see NOT YET (but we will see; at the resurrection of the dead) ALL THINGS put under him.

Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS ( John 17:21) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau (the world); and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.

Isaiah 26:9 ....when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Thank you brother S. Spencer. That was indeed a special directive from the Lord to me which was both unusual & yet very specific - I had been praying much about the matter as I felt the Lord leading me that way, but not knowing the path to take. But it took patience & a constant looking to the Lord over a number of years. And even this may not be quite the experience of many, though I'm certain that both you & others here have at times sensed being led in a direction in life or sharing a word with someone, or even given extra power or courage, that didn't come from any inclination of the mind or body, rather being compelled to do so by the Spirit (i.e. being taken & drawn forward by the arm, by God).

Romans 8:14: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God". Often we read this verse as given, but I like to also read it backwards: 'if you're a child of God, then you WILL be led by the Spirit of God'. A similar rendering, but the emphasis being on 'being led'. We could add, 'where the Holy Spirit wants to go, we will go as well - what He wants to do, we will do as well'. His indwelling us is more than an earthly temple to dwell in, but to get the Work of God accomplished through us. But it's a sad day when we resist Him. Every blessing brother.