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Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
How can anyone have been resurrected or overcome death before Jesus? Thanks Ron
"In keeping of them is great reward" Psalms 19:11
"Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just and good" Romans 7:12
"the law is spiritual" Romans 7:14
"Sin is the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4
"Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them" Galatians 3:10
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die" Ezekiel 18:14
"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse" Galatians 3:10
"weak through the flesh" Romans 8:3
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight" Romans 3:20
"having no hope, and without God in the world" Ephesians 2:12
"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all of our righteousness are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away" Isaiah 64:6
"We have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one...There is no fear of God before there eyes...For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:9-23
"the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness" Romans 1:18
"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off" Romans 11:22
I Believe God gives the Holyspirit spirit when we are truly converted which is an act of his doing upon our trust and believe in the work of Christ on the cross.
That same Spirit convicts us of sin,
As we feed on the word "with faith" that same Spirit moves us different than the way we were before. It's not simply a change of mind, "IT'S A CHANGED HEART".
This is called fruit in your life that wasn't there before.
John 15:8. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye ""BEAR"" much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
NOTICE: YOU BEAR THE FRUIT YOU DON'T PRODUCE IT.
We do that by being connected to the true vine. JESUS.
John 15:1-4. I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
These verses emphasize "Virtue" by being connected!! A New Heart, The now inner Man.
Here's what's produced by the Vine:
Galatians 5:22-24. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
( The last sentence here is perhaps the death of the old Heart. "Not Old Nature".
by us being in Christ at his death. The new Heart and Power supplied by The Holyspirit is given by us behind baptized into his resurrection!
ROMANS 6:1-5.
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Our evidence is that our Hope is built on a rock and that rock is Jesus Christ. if you're saved you Have the Holyspirit.
Thank you for your reply, Ron - much appreciated. If I could just address a couple of your points:
a. "If Jesus did not have the sinful flesh that came from the first Adam and Jesus was incapable of sin what did He fulfill?" You clearly referred to Matthew 5:17. Using the Greek words for 'abolish & fulfil', their meanings are: abolish = to destroy, abrogate, or to deny Divine Authority. And 'fulfil' = to complete, fill up what was predicted, accomplish what was intended by it.
When we read it as given, then we see that the Lord, in His 'sinless' condition, could indeed fulfil the Law, because His coming was not to prove His ability to be obedient to the Law but was for the purpose to bring the Law to its planned & proper completion. And this He did as the One Who not only was the Word of God (as the Word/Law/Prophecies) given to Israel, but also Who came now in human form (that Word made Flesh) to bring the Law to finality by His death, resurrection & bringing in of a better Covenant ( Hebrews 8:6,7).
b. Romans 8:3. "in the likeness of sinful flesh". Many look at this phrase as supporting the belief that Jesus had sinful flesh as we have. If that were so, then he would have the sin nature in Him as 'sinful flesh' speaks of that, in one respect. In the other respect, it could also mean that Jesus came in human flesh, resembling (likeness of) sinful flesh that he partook of flesh, or the nature of man, but without any of its sinful propensities or desires. Why would that be? Because the sin nature, which is common to man, was not found in Him. Satan's great desire was to replicate what he did to the first Adam - but the last Adam withstood him disallowing sin to enter thereby imputing the sin nature.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
I said that Jesus was in the same flesh as we because if He was not He would not have been affected in the same way we are. He had to be tempted the same as we are, if not He would have not fulfilled the prophets and the law. He was as much flesh as me or you but he lived on this earth sinless and a perfect life fulfilling his Father's will for us. That is what's so amazing, He left the glory He had in heaven to do that for us.
I hope that makes sense, Ron
Jesus needed to live a normal human existence, identifying in every way with His people, with their sufferings, their joys, hopes, doubts, sicknesses, etc. And He could only do this if He came as a Babe, growing up as a young man & fulfilling the Will of God in life & death. ( Hebrews 2:16-18). And even though the people saw Him only as the son of Joseph & Mary ( Matthew 13:55,56), they should have known the Scriptures that spoke of His coming ( Isaiah 7:14; Daniel 9:24-26; Isaiah chaps 52 & 53; Zechariah 9:9, 12:10; & many others).
To your other questions: "what was Christ's victory over?" Ultimately, He was victorious over death & hell; by implication: over sin's penalty & over Satan's power to all who believed. 2 Timothy 1:10; 1 Corinthians 15:25,26 & Revelation 20:14.
And "how did He achieve this victory?" Only by the Cross. What seemed to the world & to Satan as the final death blow to Jesus to be rid of Him, in fact became the very means of salvation to all who would believe on Him. Jesus' resurrection was God's glorious proclamation of His acceptance that sin's price was now fully paid & that all who put their trust in Him would be cleansed by Jesus' Blood, justified, accepted & glorified ( Romans 8:30).
"his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh" Romans 8:3
"The first man Adam is of the earth, earthy: the second man Jesus is the Lord from heaven" 1 Corinthians 15:47
"He can not deny himself" 2 Timothy 2:13
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever" Hebrews 13:8
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world: but that the world through him might be saved" John 3:17
"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acception, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15
"For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost" Luke 19:10
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" Acts 4:12
"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This signifying what death he should die" John 12:32-33
John Chapter 19- whole chapter
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins" Ephesians 1:7
"Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Revelation 1:5
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver or gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" 1 Peter 1:18-19
"And he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2
"Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it" Acts 2:24
1 Corinthians Chapter 15 whole chapter
Fail not to communicate?
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. Romans 8:11-12. That same Spirit teaches us all things, Including patience and Longsuffering, And he opens our eyes to the Scriptures. And he causes us to Love the brethren, "We are to hold one another accountable to provide truth in the scripture"
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for instruction in righteousness: Iron sharpens Iron! No one should get upset over the truth! We grow by the "Sincere" milk of the word.
We preach the cross and the cross means nothing if we don't believe in who the Lord say he is,
Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY. We're not ashamed of that!
The cross is an offense to those who don't believe!!
I Pray you examine yourself, May the Lord be with you.
Isaiah 9:6 ..... HIS NAME shall be called
Christ bears the NAME of his Father just as we bear the name of our earthly father; but the Father (through Jesus) gives us a new name. We will bear the name of our true Father.
Revelation 2:17 .... To him that overcometh .......I (the Father) will give him (the overcomer) a white stone (the cornerstone, Christ) and in the (new) stone (us) A NEW NAME written, which no man knoweth SAVING HE THAT RECEIVED IT.
I Know HIS wisdom and HIS understanding will grace you with the answer.
Romans 8:29
Revelation 22:13
Ephesians 2:15
I believe anyone born again can make that claim, because of we being baptized in Christ, "read Romans 6.
BUT that don't make us sinless, as long as we're in these bodies sin is there,
read Romans 7.
Not until Christ rose from the dead were we given the power over sin, ""Not sinless but nolonger running after sin"".
( Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.)
John knew himself Jesus baptism was different and he needed it
Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Before the Christ was crucified and rose again there was a dwelling of the Holyspirit for God's servants to minister but there wasn't a baptism of the Holyspirit that proceeded after the Lamb slain for the sins of the World. by which we minister and by which we are "Positionally sanctified " ( Forever cleansed from the penalty of sin)
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Romans 3:23-24. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
The 70 weeks of 7= 490 years. 483 years when Jesus was baptized. History places this around 29AD. Jesus' ministry was 3 years by the number of Passovers Jesus went to according to scriptures. We are at 486 years. Stephen's death is recorded around 36AD. This is around the same time Jesus stopped confirming the New Covenant through is Apostils and Peter had his dream and went to Cornelius and the gospel went to the Gentiles.
This prophecy was determined upon Israel and Jerusalem not the world, and these six things were to be fulfilled. See for yourself if these were fulfilled by Jesus. 1 To finish the transgression ( Isaiah 53:5, 8) ( Hebrews 9:15-18) 2. To make an end of sins ( Matthew 1:21) ( Hebrews 10:8-11) ( 1 John 3:5) ( Romans 8:3) 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity ( Colossians 1:20-22) ( Isaiah 53:6) ( Titus 2:14) ( 2 Corinthians 5:18-19) 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness ( Romans 5:17-21) ( 2 Corinthians 5:21) 5. To seal up vision and prophecy ( Daniel 9:23) ( John 6:27) ( Mark 1:14-15) 6. To anoint the most holy ( Hebrews 9:6-14).
The 3 years in Revelation starts when Satan is cast down and gives his power to the beast, not connected with the 70 weeks. If not clear its ok.
God bless Andrew, Ron
Thank you for your reply. I have another question and this is in reference of Romans 8:26-27.
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
I knew there were verses that explain how we don't always know what or how to pray or what to pray for or sometimes not knowing how to pray. People know a lot of words but sometimes there are no words.
God seen to this with the Holy Spirit. The spirit prays for us in its own special code we don't understand but God does.
Aint that Amazing?
We must always pray without ceasing but know our Holy Spirit is also speaking to God for us as well.
What a comforting feeling!!
So no answer to my question of "where have you heard this"? Again, the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter, and the Holy Ghost are all spoken of as one in John 14. Also as I have stated that the word "ghost" and "spirit" are the same Greek word in the Greek texts. Just translated to two English words that mean the same thing. Is not the word Holy more important than "ghost" or "spirit"? If it is Holy it is from God.
So in places like Luke 11:13 is Jesus speaking of another "spirit or ghost" than in John or anywhere else? How's John 7:39? There are many other verses also that speak of "the Spirit of God" and the "Spirit of Christ" being in you after you are saved. Romans 8:9, ( 1 Corinthians 3:16, Ephesians 4:30.
Do you know of ( 1 John 5:7? Where it states the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are one?
Seeing as you have not given an answer to my one question I shall not entertain your foolish question. Which has nothing to do with our discussion.
Thank you for your time. I hope what I have posted shall open your eyes.
God Bless.
2 Corinthians 1:22 Who (Christ) has SEALED us, and given us the earnest (down payment) of the Spirit in our heart.
Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel (CHRIST IN YOU) of your salvation: in whom also after that you BELIEVED, you were SEALED with the holy Spirit of promise.
(vs 14) Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
At the redemption (the death of the body of flesh) you will be given the Spirit without measure and a glorified body.
1 Peter 1:21 Who (you) by him (Christ) do BELIEVE in God, that raised him from the dead, and gave him glory; that your FAITH (CHRIST) and hope might be in God.
CHRIST IN YOU
Galatians 2:16 .....but by the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have BELIEVED (by his faith) in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the FAITH of Jesus Christ.....
Romans 8:29 For whom (you) he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he (CHRIST IN YOU) might be the first born of MANY BROTHERS.
Actually we had a class and we were to discuss what do we think God is. Everyone had different perspective to what God is to them so when I read Genesis I was aroused to ask this question. Thankyou very much!
It is nice to read your posts again. I had not been on here for almost a year and I did miss reading the things you share.
I wanted to say amen to what you just posted here about a Christian without the Holy Spirit would be impossible. Romans 8:9 tells us that if we do not have His Spirit living in us, we would have an invalid claim at being a Christian, a "Christ-follower."
It's impossible to follow Christ without His Spirit because it is His Spirit who persuades us to follow Him. In fact, that's what the word faith in the bible means, persuasion.
Concerning gifts, I've come to understand that the only gift that is actually given to us is the gift of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the gift. Everything else is just an expression of His grace.
I'm not sure there is an answer on why angels are included in that list. I can give you my unbiblical guess.
I do know that Paul is declaring that nothing can separate us from God, including angels.
Angels are very powerful. When Paul lists all these things saying that he is persuaded that none of them can separate us from the love of God, he includes angels.
My guess is that when he says angels, that includes Satan who is also an angel. And not even Satan can separate us from God's love.
Again, this is just a guess!
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
FOR YE ARE DEAD, AND YOUR LIFE IS "HID" WITH CHRIST IN GOD.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear,
THEN SHALL YE ALSO APPEAR WITH HIM IN GLORY. "Absent of the body present with the Lord"
CHRIST WAS JUDGED FOR OUR SINS NOT HIS!! AND HE ROSE AGAIN FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION!!
You see in the old testament in the book of Exodus, you see the blood of the lamb as an atonement to hide them from judgment.
Exodus 12:11-13. And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the "LORD'S PASSOVER."
For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute "JUDGMENT": I am the LORD.
And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
Christ is our passover, Jews/Gentiles =Church.
John 1:29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Believers works what they have done will be tried with fire but not for salvation.
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: "BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire.
Romans 8:1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Thanks
Here's fragments pulled out of those scriptures.
Romans 6:3-4. Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 7:25. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8:10. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Romans 8:11-14. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
"Positionally the old man have been already charged!
Christ paid the redemptive price on the cross. IT IS FINISHED!!
Romans 8:1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
It's not a question of judgment It's a question of deception. "are you baptized in his death Positionally? do you have a 2nd nature that you see Paul is mentioning in Romans 7 that fights back against the old Man/old nature?
Christ the first fruit and if the first fruit is Holy the lump is also Holy. Wasn't the resurrection justification? " God's approval,
We have a earnest of the inheritance in the Holyspirit.
To be looking for further judgment suggests we have a works based relationship for salvation and Christ died in vain.
When the time comes hold nothing back from the Lord.
Carleton
Some related scriptures:
2 Peter 3:9
Hebrews 3:7
Romans 8:17
Psalm 51:10
2 Corinthians 5:17
2 Peter 3:19
Colossians 1:25-29 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is GIVEN TO ME FOR YOU, to fulfil the word of God;
(vs 26) Even the MYSTERY which hath been HID from the ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
(vs 27) To whom (the saints) God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this MYSTERY among the gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory:
(vs 28) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
(vs 29) Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his (CHRIST IN YOU) working, which (CHRIST IN YOU) worketh in me mightly.
Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my (CHRIST IN YOU) works unto the end, to him will I give him power over the nations:
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL (creation) thing shall be subdued unto him (CHRIST), then shall the SON also himself be subject to him (FATHER) that put All (creation) things under him, that God (CHRIST) may be ALL (CHRIST IN YOU) in ALL (CHRIST IN YOU).
Romans 8:19-21 For the earnest expectation of the creature (creation) waiteth for the MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD.
(vs 21) Because the creature (creation) itself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Psalms 122:5 For there are set thrones of judgement, the thrones of the house of David.
Revelation 20:4 And I say thrones, and they that sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them.....
Luke 22:30 That you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and set on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY
MENE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end;
TEKEL, you have been weighed ... and found wanting;
PERES, your kingdom is finished...
Thank you yes I have turned to Jesus and God and repented for my sins. I however have autism which causes me great anxiety and wanting to do things right of that makes sense. I have looked for bible studies online and have found one which should help me.
No by that I mean that I mean I have repented for my sins and that I believe in God and his son Jesus Christ and that I believe Jesus died for our sins etc. Yes I'm also going to be following the 10 commandments. I have autism so my main thing is anxiety of getting things wrong as I want to live right by God
When some people say that they have turned their life to God, they mean that they are trying to do better, go to church more often, give more to charities to help poor people, read their Bible more, stop smoking, stop getting drunk, stop getting angry with people, etc.
Those attempts have some merit, but that's NOT how you turn your life to God.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Rom 3:23
We do and if a we are honest with ourselves and with God, we realize that we fall far short of Perfection.
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 6:23
Sometimes we realize that our situation is dire, but if we die without Christ, it will be eternal living death. But because The Son of God became a man, suffered and died for your sins and mine, God offers a free gift to those who will turn from their sinful ways and put their trust in Jesus.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Eph 2:8-10
God offers us grace if we have trust in God through Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection, by granting us salvation as a free gift that we don't have to work for. But what should happen when a person places that kind of active trust in God is that they will demonstrate a life of good works that results from God woking in them both to want to and to actually do things that please God.
Baptism is not a requirement for salvation. It is something that you ought to do when the time comes and it may come sooner than you think. If, God forbid, you get hit by a car and die before you're baptized, if you are trusting Jesus, you'll be with Him in heaven.