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That was interesting to read Jay. I do agree with your understanding of the soul & spirit of man. I could further state that the soul finds its fuller meaning in the personality & emotions of the individual, hence the soul, being an immaterial part, not only reveals the life of a person, but also his/her character.

'Ruach' is clearly different to 'psykhe' & as you stated also comes from God giving life (breath) to the body which clothes the soul. As well, I understand man's spirit from God also functions as the means that God, by His Spirit, can communicate with man. Romans 8:16 speaks of this interaction. The spirit in us enables us to look beyond the immediate & temporal, to the One Who brought it all together, though many today stifle it preferring to understand their world & themselves, only through the soul (by reasoning & logic).

Yet you write that on death, man's spirit doesn't return to God, whether to life or eternal death, rather it remains in 'limbo'. Am I understanding you correctly? Could you provide some Bible references or expand this thought further? Why I ask this, is that Eccl 12:7 which you quoted, speaks of this returning, or else, that man's spirit has to have a destiny, whether in a body or in a location. I understand the Ecclesiastes reference suggesting that, just as God gives a new born baby a spirit, so at death of that body, the spirit is then released & returned back to God - like a loan from God to enjoy Him & His creation. We have the accounts of the destinies of the rich man & Lazarus ( Luke 16:19-31), the thief on the Cross ( Luke 23:39-43) & Stephen's cry at his execution ( Acts 7:55-60). All seem to suggest that our spirits remain alive, active & accountable whether in life in the body or cessation of earthly existence.

please explain Genesis 3:15

Satan accuses the brethren of sin day and night before the throne. Jesus said HE took away all of our sin. I know whom I believe!!!

Hi Paul,

Have you read Romans 8:9 ? This answers that question with 100% certainty. Man's opinion doesn't matter on this, only what God says and God said it clearly through his Word in Romans 8:9.

God bless...

John 16

8 And when HE is come, HE will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

COMMENT:

It is not your job to attempt to do the Holy Spirits job for Him. He's the only one who can operate on a human heart.

Psalm 23: the shepherd's staff is to guide the sheep. Pull them away from danger. He carries the lambs in his arms. At no time does he use the staff to beat a sheep into condemnation. ITS the Holy Spirits WORK to watch over and perfect the New Birth. We don't all get it perfect on day one.

You could learn alot from Chris's style of Teaching. It does not cause a stampede. Painstaking, reasonable, patient, truth.

Your condemnation of people who are not perfect like you think you are, shows that you are a hireling.

Do you believe Jesus took away your sin? All your sin? If so...how can you still be a sinner? Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin...cannot sin! Sin is all unrighteousness. How can we serve two masters?

God is kind and understanding toward our weaknesses, but He requires us to go forward in faith, and the Bible is clear that faith does not mature and strengthen without trials. Adversity is God's most effective tool to develop a strong faith. That pattern is evident in Scripture. God takes each one of us through fearful situations, and, as we learn to obey God's Word and allow it to saturate our thoughts, we find each trial becomes a stepping stone to a stronger and deeper faith. It gives us that ability to say, "He sustained me in the past, he'll carry me through today and he'll uphold me in the future!" God worked this way in David's life. When David volunteered to fight against Goliath, he said, "The Lord who delivered me from the paw of the lion and the paw of the bear will deliver me from the hand of this Philistine" ( 1 Samuel 17:37). David knew the God who had sustained him through dangerous situations in the past. He had seen and experienced God's power and protection in his life, and this developed within him a fearless faith. Romans 8:31 Romans 5:3-5

Yes I do. I also believe in Matthew 26.

My belief in relieving the suffering of others comes from what Jesus taught, and showed us about humility. (Beatitudes)

It's only a loss of rewards at the Bema Seat judgment of Christ.

I pray with people in the Prayer Request Room because people need to hear God loves them and is ready to meet their Needs.

I begin my prayer with the Prayer of Agreement:

"19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

Faith is Action. It does something. It changes us. It changes people we pray for.

Sometimes I hear back from people who were healed. It boosts my desire to bring Jesus to his lambs and hurting sheep.

Adam and Eve were spiritually connected to God. They knew the rules. Yet they ate the fruit (disobeyed), and lost that spiritual connection. They sinned.

If the Holy Spirit taps my shoulder, I listen up real quick.

The word "rapture" is in the latin vulcate. Translated as 'caught up'.

So you don't believe Jesus took away your sin?

Very simply, it takes mountain size FAITH in the finished work of Christ Jesus on the Cross. He didn't leave anything undone or over-looked.

After we believe and accept the Gift of forgiveness; we take steps to work out our salvation, with joy: also fear and trembling.

Satan doesn't want us to Feel Free. He comes immediately to ACCUSE us of sins past, present and next week. It'll keep happening until our faith in Jesus gets up off the floor and counters satan With Our Newborn FAITH in the finished work of Jesus. Satan always tempts us to listen to voices that accuse it wasn't enough. We even accuse ourselves! That is the flesh. It is NOT faith. fAITH stands up and screams, "I am the righteousness of God, in Christ Jesus."

Isaiah Chapter 1

16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; CEASE to do evil;

17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

Many people are easily confused (satan is the Author of Confusion), because as newborn Christians we still act sinful, Until we begin to absorb into our spirit, the Bible truths. The Life of Jesus. His shed blood over all of our sins: past, present, future.

When sin happens, repent from the heart, and forgive yourself. Don't give up. Ask the Holy Spirit to help you; warn you when you are getting off course. Obey His promptings.

Study the strength and wisdom of Jesus through the Gospels. He is the Lion of the tribe of Judah (Revelation). He is your faith.

Michael

First of all, the Scripture says "anything without faith is sin!" And "a little leaven leavens the whole lump"! So how can we be "faith full" if we are still "sin full"?????? We were sinners, Jesus took away all our sin, we became 'born again'! What changed? We are supposed to be "NEW"! How can we be "NEW" if we are still old sinners?

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And what was God's righteousness? This was faith in God's Provision of His Son. Jesus became "the END OF THE LAW giving righteousness to everyone that believeth". So the letter of the Law has not changed, but what that Law could never accomplish, Jesus did for us through His Sacrifice.

Now, some Christians say, "I have saving faith in God through Jesus Christ but I am still bound to obey God's Commandments (i.e. the letter of the Law)". What Paul was teaching is that if we are going to be bound to the Law, then our salvation is dependent on our obedience to it (& that can never work). We can't claim to regard the Law in our lives along with having faith in Jesus Who removed that Law for those who come to Him in faith. The requirements of the Law & of Faith cannot be fused - it only causes confusion; just as oil & water won't mix because of their different polar & non-polar molecules that don't allow them to mix.

The Law ultimately led to knowledge of sin & death - Faith in Jesus leads to victory over sin & eternal life. If we try to fuse the two, then we state that Christ's Sacrifice was insufficient & obedience to a set of rules is also needed for our justification & to please God. His Sacrifice was complete in itself: it gave us full redemption, our full acceptability to God & God's Power to obey Him through His Spirit over & above what the Law could ever prescribe us to do.

Romans 8:2 tells us of the new Law from the Life-giving Spirit that frees us from the old. And this was foretold when a new Covenant would be made with Israel with God's Laws being written upon their hearts, Hebrews 8:7-11. Also Romans chapter 7, especially verses 4 to 6.

There are two aspects to consider. First, due to the fallen nature of mankind brought on us by Adam's sin, people have desires for many things that are outside God's will for our lives. We all have what we call a carnal sin nature, or the flesh. Different people have different fleshly desires. Simply to be tempted in our weakness is not sin.

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. ( Romans 8:10-14)

Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren. ( James 1:12-16)

Our second consideration is the act itself:

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. ( Leviticus 18:22)

This means the LORD finds it repulsive and those who engage in it have rejected God.

Matthew 24:45-47 & Matthew 25:14-23.

The faithful servant in these portions is not given a name as Jesus wanted to highlight the Truth associated with the behaviour. As a servant, by definition, is one who serves, Jesus showed in both these illustrations that the "faithful servant" is one who behaves & works as his master intends.

In the first Matthew reference, Jesus commends the servant for faithfully looking after his master's house, providing necessary food for others working there as they needed, while he was away. In the second reference, two servants were commended for faithfully & wisely dealing with their master's finances so as to produce an increase in the principal amount given.

The message in both accounts speaks of the level of trustworthiness & busyness of the Lord's servants (His children) so that whenever He comes for us, or we should unexpectedly pass through the vale of death, we shall be commended for our faith & work for His Glory rather than being the unprepared, lazy sluggard who is not watching or being careless in his Christian walk.

Who or what is the faithful servant spoken about In Mathew

Again, I can't disagree with the Scriptures you quote, Matthew 5:17,18. They were valid at that time as they are valid today: the Law came from the Mouth of God, Jesus came to fulfil all of its demands & the prophecies about Him of which none other could, & the Law's purity & power remain unchanged even today.

What changed after Jesus' ministry on Earth & His death & resurrection, was that that Law that was supposed to bring us life actually showed us our sin & incapability of keeping it, thereby guaranteeing us separation from God for all eternity: Romans 7:10,11, "And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me".

So for those who bind themselves to the Law now after expressing faith in Jesus' Sacrifice for their sins & still desire to please God by fulfilling the requirements of the Law, will most certainly fail before God now, just as the Jews did (& Saul did) before. Romans 8:3,4, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh (i.e. man could never fully obey the Law), God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit".

And what is it to "walk after the Spirit"? Romans 8:2: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death". The Law by the Life-giving Spirit of God which is now in every believer fully meets our legal position before God. Why? Because we are now "in Christ" & come under His Spirit's Laws & not under the Laws that condemned us. If now in this glorious position because of God's Gift of His Son, why should we turn back to that which kills us rather that we obey the Giver of Eternal Life? Hebrews 8:10: this was God's Plan from the beginning: the written Law would fade allowing for the new Law in the heart by Christ.

The wages of sin is death .

New Testament teaching by Apostle Paul .

Sin shall not have dominion over you .

If you sow to the flesh you will die .

False teachers appeal to the flesh and turn the Grace if God unto sinful practice .

So if you are sinning and unable to get the victory , look at the gospel you believed , it may be devils gospel .

Ask the Lord to help you as you read the scriptures to set you free .

It's not a doctrine alone but real power over sin and a liberty in Christ to follow him in love and truth by his grace .

Faith worketh by love , it not hard to believe God when you know he loves you .

The devil causes all kind of errors to be sure .

At least if you are going to criticize me do it in a contextual way instead of taking my words out of context , yes you may need a little more education to understand it as well .

The Lord had his critics too so I can take it as well ! I'm not trying to impress anyone ! But keep to the truth if that offends the fakes too bad !

There was an old man and his wife at the car wash. After going through the wash a young man came to the car with his towels to wipe it off. As he finished, the old man angrily barked at the young worker "you missed a whole bunch of spots on the windshield!" The young man apologized, grabbed his towels and began to wipe the windshield again. As he finished the old man angrily said "what are you Blind? There are still spots all over my windshield." The young man again apologized and this time grabbed a fresh towel and proceeded to scrub the windshield. As he finished, the old man became irate but before he could bark at the young man his wife stopped him. She asked "Alfred, let me see your eye glasses. When is the last time you cleaned them?" As she investigated his glasses she noticed many spots all over the lenses.

Ask yourself; what is the moral to the story and how can I apply it to my own life and walk in Christ.

Let's get our lenses clean and help others to see better as well.

Where is the rapture in the Bible , we know the word is not but the event ?

Last time Mishel gave verses that where out of context and other things and then changed his view saying he did not know , well yes we already knew that !

So again where is this rapture event found in the Bible a second chance to prove you are not a false teacher ! Go for it !

I'm not concerned about people that do not understand the scriptures, what is chaff to the wheat ?

If anyone believes in the Rapture and all it's doctrines they have no clue on the Bible in general .

If you think you can sin , and expect to go to heaven you have believed a devils gospel .

Both of which M has taught .

I'm not concerned about and your kind you will be raptured away some day but where too ?

I'm not condemning any one just speaking truth to errors !

Amen !

God is not mocked ! A great lesson to those that do !

Hell is full of people that refuse Gods love and persist in sinning . There is no place for them with God , God hates sin more than any of us could image .

The birthright meant nothing to Esau. He traded it for a bowl of lovely venison stew? Soup?

Rebekah planned it and made Jacob help her.

The Bible says that GOD hated Esau for it.

Afterwards, Esau chased Jacob all over trying to get the birthright back.

Comment: This is the only scripture in the Bible where it says God hated someone.

This is Old Testament. Also, the bloodline of Jesus was traveling through Jacob.

God is a consuming fire. He cannot look upon sin. That's why Jesus had to bridge the gap with His sacrifice; once, and for all.

For God so loved the world ( John 3).

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So, as you believe, that in Jesus is found the Godhead (Father, Son & Holy Spirit), which in a sense is true, since the Godhead is just that - without one the others aren't complete in Unity. But this now raises two other problems:

a. Mark 14:36: "And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt." If Jesus is now God on Earth without a God in Heaven, then to Whom is Jesus crying out to? And for what reason? Surely, it can't be a cry to Himself as God the Father, since that becomes nonsense & also that Heaven is now devoid of the Divine.

b. 1 Peter 3:22; Hebrews 1:3, 8:1, 12:2; Romans 8:34, etc. All these Scriptures show us that Jesus is now seated at the Father's right Hand & Jesus Himself said, "I go to the Father" ( John 16:16). How should I understand such declarations if the Father only exists now in the Person of Jesus? Is Jesus going to His Father that is already Himself? Such interpretations are mind-boggling that even go past the mystery of the Trinity. I'm sorry, but what you expect me to believe goes into the realm of extra-biblical claims & would need some careful explanation. May the Lord lead us into His Truth.

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Rev. Autrey, indeed Isaiah 9:6 does say that (Jesus) will be called Everlasting Father & the Mighty God. He was & is every part that completes the Godhead as revealed to us. In Romans 8:9 we also read "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Here Paul speaks of both God's Spirit & Christ's Spirit - self same Spirit without Whom, the Godhead would be incomplete & we would not be children of God, indwelt & sealed by Him.

And John 14:17, "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." If one removes God the Father & say that Jesus is now our God (post incarnation), then one is compelled to do likewise to His Spirit. If one does not do so, then we would have a Binity, & that too is unacceptable.

Re: John 1:1 ff: true, the Word of God is God - God cannot be seen without the His Word & His Spirit. But why should John say, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."? Wouldn't it be easier to say that "In the beginning God was there" & just leave off "the Word"? So just say, that "this God then became flesh & dwelt among us". That would easily transfer the position of God to Jesus on Earth. But maybe, the Word has something to do with that part of the Godhead that was sent to the Earth to become a man & to fulfil the Father's Will in bringing forth the Word to His people & be the sacrificial Lamb for His people.