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God has no pleasure with foolishness , you might ask why does God hate evil ?

It says God is angry with sinners , yet if they repent he is willing to forgive them , because he loves mercy over judgement .

God knows everyone and He is the perfect judge . He sees things only he can see about people , so must except that .

Why did God hate Esau and love Jacob? What had Esau done? Is this because he gave up his birthright for the food?

Blessed Assurance:

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. ( 1 John 2:1-2)

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. ( John 3:17)

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. ( John 6:37-40)

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. ( John 10:9-10)

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. ( Romans 8:1-2)

2 Chronicles 7:14 came to mind when I wondered about this confusing & disappointing National election here in the USA. I thought of how many Christians will quote this verse. Then I wondered how many really considered the phrase, "turn from their wicked ways" and thought of themselves instead of a whole host of others. Most would not consider their own ways wicked. But what we may not consider "wicked ways" God does. What ways would you consider "wicked" for the child of God that would keep God from enacting this promise? Also, how many, I wonder, REALLY seek God's face seriously.

Read gen22:1-24 he telling you to hear the voice of the good shepherd . like abraham you have to obey the word of god.

Hi Nancy, since I wrote to you on this matter, I will respond again. As we know, that "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." ( John 4:24). That is, God in His Essence is a Spiritual Being without a body as we know. And in His fullness, He has shown to us His Word & His Spirit that are Him & proceed from Him. The Word we know was given a Body for the purposes of bringing God's Message to His people & to lay down His Life for mankind ( John 1:1-14; 3:16). God's Spirit was sent out of God's Being to accomplish His Purposes on Earth, including the indwelling of the believer, returns back to God when God's Will has been fully accomplished on Earth.

Even though I can't give you any clear Scripture to show God withdrawing His Spirit back into Himself, we have to surmise in our understanding of all of revealed Scripture we have, that as God sends out His Word & His Spirit, He must also withdraw them when His Work is done. Romans 8:26,27 tells us that the Holy Spirit helps us in our prayers, when we are ignorant on how to pray or what to pray. And it says that the Spirit helps us by lifting our 'deficient, uninformed' prayers to the Father, with His 'groans' or 'utterances' which we don't perceive. This the Spirit does because of His constant connection to the Godhead (as even Jesus had & enjoyed on Earth), & He is well able to translate our prayers into valid utterances that conform to the Will of God. But there are times that we ask (from the flesh) outside of God's Will (see James 4:3) & our prayers go no further than our ceiling.

So when the Spirit returns to God at the appointed time, we can't conclude that the Spirit will not again be sent out to fulfil another purpose of God. Where we fail in our understanding is that, since as humans we can't do what God does, so we conclude, that God can't do it either. Just as our spirits return to God Who gave it ( Ecclesiastes 12:7), so will His Holy Spirit return to the Godhead.

I like this comment Chris !

It's amazing that they never recognized it was the Lord Jesus , it just goes to show how blind men are even those that know truth . Only God can open eyes to see .

His word is alive , sometimes when I read the Bible I just can not put it down , it's like something that can not be shared . But O so good to read , see things in great detail and light ,and it's all free no hang overs . :)

Bruce, just further to Rob's good explanation, I likewise see the Spirit's testimony to us as a calm, peaceful confirmation to our hearts, but also one that was experienced by Jesus' disciples after Jesus rose from the grave. You can read about it in Luke chapter 24, but specifically as Jesus & they sat for a meal & when He prayed & broke the bread, the disciples eyes were opened & they knew Him. Then they said to one another in verse 32: "Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"

So I see that as the disciples eyes & hearts were opened to the presence of the risen Jesus in their midst, so do we who have the indwelling Spirit of Christ in us, have our hearts, not only opened in response, but also "burn within us": showing the manifest confirmation by God that by His Spirit, He lives in us & will work in us to accomplish His Will. When you read & study the Scriptures or enter into a deep sincere prayer-time with God, His Spirit becomes very active & your "heart" will burn with joy, with anticipation, a sense of fulfilment, of wonder, of hope, of longing, never wanting that fellowship with your Father to cease. All these 'feelings' you sense in your spirit constantly confirm that you are indeed a child of the King, as God's Spirit speaks to you.

To clarify, are you suggesting that there is no God in Heaven except Jesus, Who is God? Or, maybe that Jesus is Our God, so the God in Heaven is no longer our God? It would be difficult to prove that only Jesus (as God) is presently in Heaven.

To do so, then a lot of other Scriptures would have to be negated, when Jesus says: John 16:16.17 "I go to the Father"; John 20:17 "I ascend to my Father...and to My God"; Hebrews 8:1, 10:12, Mark 16:19, Romans 8:34, 1 Peter 3:22 "at the right Hand of God" & many more.

I earnestly hope that I have misunderstood your comments as the abundance of Scripture is given for us to know that there is still a God in Heaven & His Word made flesh has now ascended victorious & glorious, seated at His Father's right Hand, receiving the worship as One inclusive in the eternal Godhead.

You said: "The mystery of the Trinity, then, is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 separate parts. The mystery is in the way Jesus speaks to us." With the Scriptures before us, and they don't lie, the "mystery of the Trinity" in part, is that the Eternal God has in His Love, chosen to give of Himself as the only Sacrifice that would satisfy His demands of justice & redemption. An unblemished animal was a temporal covering for sin which could never remove the guilt & consequences of sin. God had to provide His Own Lamb, which He did ( Isaiah 53:7, John 1:29), which no animal or man could fulfil. God the Father did not leave Heaven to accomplish this task but He sent forth His Word clothed in flesh to do so ( John 1:1-14) & called this Word, His beloved Son. God also sent forth His Spirit to empower His Son for service & power to all who repent & call upon Him that they too may be one as They are One ( John 17:21-26).

God cannot be divided into three parts, else we might conclude, three gods. He has revealed Himself in His Fullness, in tri-unity, without which He could not be the God He reveals to us & what He accomplishes for us. Blessings.

That's a very honest question , and a very good one .

Only God can give this too any person .

It's not a audible voice , but God can do that if he chooses but so can other spirits , it is not normally that way .

I liken it to a calm deep peaceful sense that I and God are one in a spiritual way , I'm not claiming to be God . But my experience is a experience that knows His presence with me in a very real way and it can grow stronger . Or get weaker too .It is extremely assuring and worth more than anything this world can give . God alone gives it to us and it's very real as God is . Spend time in the word of God and listen to Gods voice in the scriptures. A great place to start , prayer and quiet ness will help much .

I heard of people in prayer for hours but Reading the word of God in meditation feeds our inner man . Most important. May this help some ! God bless you as you seek him .

It could also be we need to be converted or sin in our life , there is no fellowship with God if we have sin in our life .

David said search my heart o God if there be any wicked way in me . If so repent and turn from it seeking Gods help to live above it . We must have a clean heart , we are to be Gods temple , we can not defile it with sin in any way .

I don't know how God's spirit testify with my spirit that I'm a child of God. How do I know this has occurred ????

What Scriptures could we use to soothe our anxiety about Election Day?

John 14:27 (ESV)

Rev 19:11

1 Peter 5:8 (ESV)

Romans 8:38-39

Ephesians 6:10-20

Peace - Isaiah 26:3 (ESV)

Confidence - 2 Timothy 1:7

Joy - Psalm 94:19

Trust - Psalm 56:3, "What time I am afraid, I will trust in thee."

Strength - Isaiah 41:10 ((ESV)

Nearness of God - Psalm 73:28 (ESV)

The Lord Jesus Christ is absolutely the greatest emancipator:

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. ( John 8:32)

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. ( John 8:36)

The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower. ( Psalm 18:2)

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.( Luke 4:18-19)

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. ( Romans 8:2)

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. ( Galatians 5:1)

Patricia, are these the verses you're thinking of?

John 3:5-8: "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

In this passage, Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader, who approached Jesus to have a chat. He came discreetly at night to Jesus to avoid the possible gossip amongst his peers about this encounter. He also came with a great confirmation: "Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him." Jesus could have replied & told him what he probably wanted to hear, "Nicodemus you have correctly spoken about Me so God accepts you", but I believe that Jesus, as He usually did, looked at his heart & motive, when he answered him with verses 5-8 (above).

Jesus could see that Nicodemus wanted Him, as a Rabbi (Teacher) to congratulate him & confirm His goodness, yet Jesus told him that a spiritual re-birth was necessary before you can be congratulated & confirmed by God. We are born once into the world & die & suffer coming judgement. But those who are born again, not by a natural birth, but a spiritual birth, will not die spiritually & not come under condemnation & judgement ( Romans 8:1).

But if this is not the answer you're looking for, then if you could please explain further your question "by not knowing people born with the Spirit"?

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Revelation 4:2: yes, that does show John viewing One sitting on the Throne, but when you read further in Revelation 5:6-9, we also see Jesus (God's Word sent to be made human, but now ascended to sit at God's right Hand). And we know that Jesus & God are there in Heaven by this verse & also Romans 8:34. So God's Word was made flesh & called "Jesus" but raised as 'God Who is also Man' in that Body fitted for Heaven, even as we shall be in that day ( 1 John 3:2). And yes, it was God's Plan from the beginning to have His children enjoy intimate fellowship with Him. And God is His Fullness (i.e. the Father, His Son & His Spirit Who are God in Unity) do enjoy such fellowship with His children. Each cannot feel differently about us (i.e. God cannot have fellowship with us, but the Son says "But I don't like that person, let's have a chat about this Father"). God is One & that Oneness is seen in His expressions of His Son & His Spirit & in their Unity & complete agreement.

Jesus as a 'created Being': Jesus' Sacrifice as a Man does indeed have spiritual consequences but cannot be seen as a spiritual Sacrifice. He was fully human & fully God, yet laying aside some of those Divine qualities for the purposes of the Incarnation & Sacrifice ( Philippians 2:5-11). To enable us to be convicted, to draw us to repentance, to give light & understanding, to renew us & fill us, to sanctify us & to raise us up to the heavenlies, is the work of God's Spirit. And Who is this Spirit? The self same Spirit that is part of the Father & the Son.

1 John 3:9: that's a separate subject that can be discussed if you desire, as its meaning needs analysis. Though the concept of sinless perfection is concerning. Blessings.

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Yes, dear Hugo, I was referring to our conversation on 'prophets'. Re: Ecclesiastes 6:11, I think you have the wrong reference; possibly Proverbs 10:19, though this too doesn't apply.

I realize that you're not denying the deity of Christ in one sense, but I would advise you that 'Trinitarians' likewise don't deny it either. A Trinitarian understanding of the Scriptures as you know, is that there is One God & that God has expressed Himself (& revealed to us) His Being. God shows us Himself also by His Word & His Spirit - you know the Scriptures that support this. Then at the appointed time ( Romans 5:6), God sent His Word ( John 1:14) to be clothed with flesh so that a full & permanent sacrifice could be made for sin unlike animal sacrifices.

After Christ's death, resurrection & ascension, He went to sit at the Father's right Hand ( Luke 22:69; Romans 8:34) where He "ever lives to make intercession for us" ( Hebrews 7:25; Romans 8:34). So we see the Father in Heaven, His Son (Word made flesh) at the Father's right Hand & His Spirit who indwells the believer ( John 14:17; Ephesians 1:13,14) & convicts men ( John 16:8). There is no such teaching from the Bible that Jesus only exists in Heaven & that the Father & Holy Spirit are now existing in Jesus. I know this is the teaching of the "Jesus Only" movement. The Father, the Son & the Spirit are still there & all three remain part of the Eternal Godhead (& yes, by all means, level your accusation at me), for the Bible is clear. If you have Scriptures to show that this is not the case, then I welcome your further input & my study.

If you have truly repented of your sins and have laid them at the foot of the cross then know this, that God is faithful and will keep Hs promises. Rebuke Satan when he brings these sins back into your thoughts. He wants you to dwell in your past sins but God your Father has a better life for you. A life of freedom, freedom from the burden of sin. You are no longer bound by the law but free from the law. You are secure in the hand of the Father, free from condemnation ( John 5:24, Romans 8:1), and NO one can remove you from His grasp. As soon as your past sins come to mind turn to Jesus in prayer and take Him on His promise. Leave it at the cross. Find a list of God's promises and when you read them know that He made those promises to you and that God cannot break a promise.

Those that are in the spirit their mortal bodies being quickened by this same spirit!

We do not know what is in store for us who are in the spirit! The spirit of life in Christ Jesus! Paul has evidently experienced these lives, the one outside of Christ, and the one inside! This chapter should we spend much time studying! These words from heaven itself, thanks be to God!

Jim, if you're referring to Jesus while He was on Earth, consider 2 John 1:7, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist".

And Romans 8:3:"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh".

After His Resurrection, He still had a human body: "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

And Acts 1:10,11: "And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he (Jesus) went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

1 John 3:2, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

Clearly demonstrating once again that JESUS is NOT flesh and bone but of a spirit nature, i.e. is made of energy and not physical things. Demonstrating once again anyone professing FLESH AND BONE jesus-man is a LIAR, charlatan and is bearing false witness!

Amen my brother Lewis,

I saw some pretty disturbing stuff the other night. We all need to clamp onto Jesus Christ and our Father. Keep our faith and be ready to take up our crosses. Always keep praying my brothers and sisters. He is always with us. He loves us all so much. Try not to worry and just stay calm. Getting nervous and full of fear profits us nothing.

Everyone is in my prayers. God Bless.

It's important that as children of God that we not loose hope based on the trials we face , for greater is coming and when it does those things which we faced in times past will in no wise measure up ! "Eyes have not seen nor ears heard neither have entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for them that love Him are the called according to His purpose ! Hold on Church

Romans 8:18 (KJV)

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us."

*I know its tough this life, but we still have to realize that even though we are suffering we can still hope for the life which is to come :(eternal life), that comes after our temporal life.

2 Corinthians 4:18(KJV)

"While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

* Keep this in mind as well : ( Romans 8:18) (KJV)

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us."

2 Corinthians 12:10 (KJV)

[7] And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. [8] For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. [9] And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [10] Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Last but not least : Philippians 4:13 (KJV)

"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."



My God bless :-)

GRACE IS UNMERITED FAVOR FROM GOD. (You didn't earn it)

Romans 10:4 - For Christ is the END OF THE LAW, for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye ARE NOT under the law, but UNDER GRACE.

Romans 7:7 - What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 7:6 - But now WE ARE DELIVERED from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that WE SHOULD serve in newness of spirit, AND NOT in the oldness of the letter.

Galatians 3:10 - For as many as are of the works of the law are UNDER THE CURSE, for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Romans 7:4 - Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;

Galatians 5:18 - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Romans 8:1-39 - There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are IN Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by FAITH, without the deeds of the law.

* Ephesians 2:8 - For by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD:

This is for those who still persist in telling women that they are to be silent In Church and save all their questions for their husbands.

What if a woman is Not married, and chooses to live single like Apostle Paul?

What if the woman is saved and chooses to live within the grace of God and in the freedom that is in Christ?

Mishael

Wesley's Notes for Romans 8:16

8:16 The same Spirit beareth witness with our spirit - With the spirit of every true believer, by a testimony distinct from that of his own spirit, or the testimony of a good conscience. Happy they who enjoy this clear and constant.

People's Bible Notes for Romans 8:16

Ro 8:16 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit that we are the children of God. The Spirit of God is one witness to the fact. Our spirit is a corroborative witness. How do each bear witness? (1) Witness is usually borne in words, but not always. God's Spirit bears witness in words. See Heb 10:15. The Holy Spirit shows us how we must become God's children, and how to continue the Christian life. (2) It bears testimony in our lives by its fruits ( Mt 7:16). Do we bear the fruit of the Spirit? See Ga 5:22,23. (3) Does our own spirit testify that we "mind the things of the Spirit"? (Ro 8:5). Does our consciousness recognize its fruits, inward as well as outward? If the testimony of our spirit is that what God's Spirit witnesseth of the sons of God is true of us, then they concur in the testimony that we are the children of God.

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Mishael

Romans 8:

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

I suggest we all read Romans 8 again, so we do not return to a system of WORKS again.

It's equal to saying what Jesus did on the Cross wasn't good enough.

Mishael

For many are called (kletos: to call, invite, welcome, appoint), but few are chosen (Eklektos: chosen, elected). . . For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first born among many brethren. Moreover, whom He did predestinate, them He also called (kaleo: specifically, aloud by name), and whom He called, them He also justified, and whom He justified, them He also glorified. Romans 8: 29 & 30. Peace!

Whit, no apologies necessary - I don't believe I questioned you sharing your secret - these testimonies speak to all of us of what others have gone through in life & how the Lord has sustained & intervened in some special way.

However, your comment about God being both good & evil concerned me. Ordinarily, I could pass this off as a person's use of the word 'evil' may not be what I'm thinking of. But that comment triggered in my mind, one of my last conversations with an uncle before he passed away some years after we talked. He too used that phrase about God being both good & evil, yet his was an angry, fist in the air blast against God, because of certain 'evils' that had come to him through his life. Even when talking about this with him, about his accusation against God & that God is not a God of evil nor can He do evil, my uncle was adamant it was so till his death.

Your Mother's death was long & very painful & heartbreaking to read. My Mother too died, suffering horribly for two years with lung cancer. Even after our family's pleadings with God & cries from me, her 14 yr old son, did not move God's Hand to spare her. Why didn't God listen - is He evil for taking an innocent life? I had to learn early on that God wanted her Home & there would be events in the future that would fall into place - into His bigger Plan.

All I can share here is that God does allow things to happen to our lives or loved ones for reasons unknown to us - this does not make Him evil, it shows us that He is God alone, our Creator, the One Who is entitled to do what He wants with His creation, & in His Plans He does what is right & best for us. We can't see the end of it all - we just feel the present disappointment & sorrow. But in our ignorance of Him, He requires a complete trust & faith in His Work & that "we (should) know that ALL things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." ( Romans 8:28). The Lord strengthen you.

I truly believe this passage goes beyond the gift of salvation, and the work of sanctification by the power of the Holy Spirit which by Grace is beautiful beyond measure. But the understanding comes from the last part of the verse understanding God's Purpose. It is so easy to say "All things work together for good to those who love God. But it is working through God's purposes for your life that takes greater faith, greater peace, greater joy, greater contentment in our circumstances, trials and testing that one can say God works all things for good according to His purposes for me, rather than to speak this passage up in the air as wishful thinking?