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To some, God made a puzzling statement when He wrote that "time and chance happen to them all" ( Ecclesiastes 9:11). We recently encountered some who believe this means that, sometimes, bad things happen for no real reason. This seems to be a position of too much convenience. This position also avoids the diligent study that could reveal what God wants us to know. It bothers us that this position provides an advantage, without realizing it, to those who believe contradictions exist in the Bible. Bad things certainly happen. But it would be completely out of character for the same God who does not forget not even a sparrow, and who assures us that we are so much more valuable to Him. “Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? And not one of them is forgotten before God. Why, even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not; you are of more value than many sparrows” ( Luke 12:6-7 ESV). Either we are valuable to God, and all that it entails, or we are not. Yet we are to believe God allows anything to happen without a reason. Think about the implications of something happening without any reason. It means one of two things: either God wasn't paying attention or didn't care. That's like calling the Almighty either incompetent or apathetic. We know that neither is true. Consider the following. God is all-seeing, “The Lord looks down from heaven; He sees all the children of man from where He sits enthroned, He looks out on all the inhabitants of the earth, He who fashions the hearts of them all and observes all their deeds” ( Psalm 33:13-15 ESV) Either God is all seeing or He is not and we must deal with the implications that that brings. God is never-sleeping. He will not let your foot be moved He who keeps you will not slumber. Behold He who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep ( Psalm 121:3-4 ESV). Either God is not awake or He is awake and we must deal with all that that means. God cares deeply about His people. “For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord” ( Romans 8:38-39 ESV). Either we accept what God’s deep caring for us means or we do not. This potentially harmful position must be examined. So we must examine the alternative—that, while God does not directly cause evil, He knowingly allows it to happen. Because humanity has elected to follow its own way instead of God's, "And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which ought not be done. They were filled with all unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are filled with envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness, They are gossips, slanders, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boasters, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless ( Romans 1:28-31 ESV). God has, in essence, taken a step back from the world when it says it doesn't want Him around. He is allowing its inhabitants to see the result of a life without Him. That result is, from a human perspective, time and chance. Let us repeat, for emphasis: It is from a human perspective that God is not in control, not in His sound reality. From our earthly, secular and imperfect way of seeing things, random chance has its way, against the plan of God. It is not holy, spiritual or perfect to hold the position that things happen without reason. Perhaps you know someone battling a life threatening medical problem. First it is not necessary or essential for us to know the mind of God in this unfortunate situation. Second, it remains true that God can and does provide the avenue of prayer for him/her and all of us around him/her to seek the strength this person and those around them need to continue in grace and righteousness without doubting God. Third, we must not attribute to God what we have no evidence He did. When the elderly die not of disease, but simply the body God meant to be temporary finishes it use, according to the time and will of God. Many people say, hopefully in ignorance, “God took Grandmother”. God in reality simply allowed her soul to rest in Abraham’s bosom after the body served its purpose. This assumes that she was faithful – regardless of how loved she was. Being loved by others is no replacement for obeying God’s plan for our salvation. Though God has not lost the ability to restrain Satan and his demons at will, humanity has forfeited God's protection by turning its collective back on Him. As a result, "Again I saw that under the sun the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the intelligent, nor favor to those with knowledge; but time and chance happen to them all" ( Ecclesiastes 9:11). Another reason, that bad things happen, is the result of humanity's choices; as a result of sin and forsaking God. But none of them happen accidentally or apart from God's will. As it is written in the Psalms, "Behold the eye of the Lord is on those who fear Him, on those who hope in His steadfast love" ( Psalm 33:18 ESV). That is a promise that those who hold that things happen without reason should consider. Everything in life, no matter how minute, occurs for a reason. Nothing, however bad it may seem can justify randomness outside of the will of God. "No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it" ( 1 Corinthians 10:13b ESV). "Behold the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it can not save, or His ear dull that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you so that he does not hear" ( Isaiah 59:1-2 ESV)."And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose" ( Romans 8:28 ESV).

Well believe or not but after 32 years, the devil had me thinking I went too far and father God, Jesus, and the holy spirit did not want me know more. It was a bad feeling that tends to show you how long you have been with Jesus. The devil hates it, but I come to this bible and nothing can keep me from the love of the father God, Jesus and holy spirit. God bless all.

On verse 14, now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. It’s important to know who we are in Christ. We have been given the mind of Christ and have been made partakers of His divine nature. We are more than conquerors in Him, Romans 8:37. We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us, Philippians 4:13.

"He will take you out of the bird’s net, and keep you safe from wasting disease" This means God Almighty will take away all the diseases from my body, this is confirmed more in the New Testament; where Ephesians 5:30 tells us "…we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones". This means that the life of Christ is manifested through our bodies. Christ literally lives in you! He dwells in your spirit and expresses Himself through your physical body. He’s alive in you. This is why sickness, disease, and weakness ought not come into, let alone thrive in your physical body. You’re the habitation of Christ, and the Bible says if Christ is in you, no infirmity can ravage your body, because the Spirit that lives in you vitalizes your physical body ( Romans 8:10-11). "Amen" in my Life, and everyone else who confesses that Jesus Christ is lord and Savior of our souls.

Verses 33 and 34 are drawn from Isaiah 50:8, 9. They give it added depth when you compare the passages.

Hi! I have made some terrible mistakes and bad choices in my life as a Christian that have put me in a spot and location that I don't want to be in. If I just trust God and thank Him and praise Him, then I will still come out on top and Romans 8:28 will apply to my life, because of the things I learned from my mistakes and bad choices, Romans 8:29. Please comment on this! Thanks and God Bless You! Ove

When referencing God, the context of the verse written above it is inappropriate referencing format (him, he, or his) in lower case letters. As it should be written direct from the King James Version Bible to identify any scripture that extends God's reference all (Him, He, or His) is to be capitalized. I suggest strongly that whom you have to proof read written content, Get It Right for God!

Even after salvation and being filled with the Holy Spirit, we still have a choice in everything we do whether or not we will follow God and allow His Spirit to lead us. You will never lose your salvation, but you can allow yourself to lose sight of God and fall off the path He has paved. We are still in the battle against Satan everyday and the Word of God is our sword. Pick it up and know how to use it (read, study, and pray). The greatest mercy of His love is that He will always be here for us no matter how far we stray.

It's all about choices.

What can separate us from the love of God? Nothing or no one can separate us from the love of God. It is Christ who died, yes and is risen, and seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us. Salvation is up to you to accept or reject. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved. Jesus came to save us from the law of sin, and death. The Spirit of God confirms with our spirit that we are the children of God. There is therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but according to the Spirit of life. Jesus said because I live, you shall live also. Don't believe the devil's lie, but hold on to God's unchanging hand. His everlasting arms are there holding us up to whatever peril He allows us to go through. We are more than victorious in Christ Jesus our Lord.

@Insight 777,
1. Man’s insight is no insight when it comes to God's holy word ( Matthew 22:29);
2. Jesus is the son of man and this title is used by the Jews only;
3. The scriptures make reference to Jesus as the son of man about 80 times;
4. This reference by the Jews connects Jesus to his human nature and lineage to King David;
5. Son of God is mostly a New Testament church age title connecting Jesus to his divine nature as God manifested in the flesh ( John 1:14);
6. Sons of God in Old Testament is in reference to the devil and his fallen angels (Job:1:6; 2:1; Genesis 6:2);
7. The sons of God in the New Testament refers to born again believers in Jesus Christ ( John 1:12; Romans 8:14);
8. Do not confuse son of God with sons of God, they are 2 different groups of beings;
9. Please, remember that the bible always interprets itself and honestly and using scriptures to make your point will validate your point ( 2 Timothy 3:16).

So then you can be filled with the spirit and not be lead by it.

I made up my mind, that no force will be forceful enough to separate me from the love of God which is expressly demonstrated in our Lord Jesus.

Since God doesn't operate in the realm of lies, but He operates in the supernatural realm of Truth, He is over all powers.

It's Love so divine that is mentioned, whose measure, mortals can liken to the act of humility done by our Saviour Jesus Christ at Calvary, on Gethsemane. Love, whose breadth and depth man is not in a post to fully decipher and fathom of how one who is owed offers to clear the debt owed him, and just merely writing off the death, Philippians 2:2-8. It is that love that constraineth Christians to go forth with the Gospel despite the prevalent challenges. A Love that impels them to shade shadows on points of doubt, Deuteronomy 29:29. Whilst fixing their eyes on Jesus' heraldship, Hebrews 12:2. It's Agape love! Compels us to go forth and counter Satan's stumbling blocks, even death.

That nothing can keep us from God.

Wonderful God's holy spirit in me and Jesus in my heart wow I need to do much better.

Romans 8 gives a total sum of God's love and hope for the believer. It empowers the Christian's faith and lifts that joy of knowing Jesus. In fact, the whole bible is awesome!

Joseph knew that God preserved him for a purpose. No wonder he told his brothers in Genesis 45:5, Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me to preserve life. You can imagine what could have happen if Joseph was not sold into slavery in Egypt. There he was able to realize his dreams. That difficult situation in our lives is to take us to our expected end if we don't quit or look for a short cut different from God's agenda for us. There is a purpose in God's heart in preserving us in that great challenge we are facing. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose, Romans 8:28.

All of God’s word is perfect! This chapter really speaks to my heart and when I die I want my Bible opened to Romans 8. Words that are taller than any mountain and deeper that the ocean. Holy, Holy, Holy is God Almighty King of kings and Lord of lords FOREVER!

It means that if your life is covered by the blood of Jesus, no evil will touch you. And even if what seems evil tries to afflict, you will become as it is written, "All things works together for good to them that love God and which are called according to his purpose", Romans 8:28. Now GOD is saying to man, "When I see the blood of Jesus, I will save you and give you eternal life ( John 3:16, 36).

Knowing you Jesus; there is no greater thing. Nothing (death, life, tribulations, family, wealth, self esteem, wealth, famine, hunger,..) shall separate me from your love... Romans 8:35-39. Whatever stands deceitfully to take your place in my life, I consider as dung and am ready to turn away from even if it is my own life. This is my solemn declaration and this is a light in a sense of what Luke 14:26 means. That nothing else matters; that all is NOTHING compared to the priceless blessings of knowing Jesus and that without this mentality, one is not even qualified to be a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I love it

In responce to Tim Kelton's
Good summary of the words Shall and should but check out Romans 8:35-39 and then also Matthew 7:23. Jesus says here that on that day He will say to those on the left I NEVER KNEW YOU. This would indicate that you can't jump out of His arms. The person was never saved to start with. You see God is all knowing and He already knows what you will do with Him the rest of youre life and based on that he will or will not save you. God will not waist His Sons blood on some one for a few years and then that person turn his back on him again. God looks on the heart.

Jesus said ''truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the work that I do, and greater works than these will he do, that the father may be glorified in the Son''. Believers have been called to a greater commission. Through the death and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, believers are expected to manifest in glory, doing greater works for the creation to see and God is glorified. Hallelujah!

This is the foundation of the Christian faith. In order for US to be submissive, WE must first be submissive to those that are in place by GOD. They are for OUR good, Romans 8:28 says that ALL things are working for OUR good.

Truly, I so much love this epistle of Apostle Paul to the Romans. The truth of the whole matter is, that Christ is not a man of flesh and blood to be worshiped in carnality. And there's no condemnation to them that are born again in the Holy Ghost. Now, the whole creation is waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God, and that is their expectation. Who are these sons they're expecting? They're men who know their God, who call God their father because they hear, live, and move by Him. And I thank God that in this age called 'kingdom age', the sons of God are being made. Men who will not break their ranks, nor compromise the standards given to them, men who understand the current program of God in their age, because in every age there's a program of God which one. And I pray that lets the manifestation of the sons of God be seen by all so that they may know that the Word of God is truth.

If the Spirit that enables Jesus Christ from the grave reside in me, that if same Spirit shall physically energize my body from sickness and pain, coming out victoriously like Jesus through the same spirit.

When you are saved, you are placed in the hand of God sealed by the holy spirit and kept by his mighty power, and nothing can separate you from the Love Of God. Read Romans 8:35-39.

God's wisdom has Fatherly instructions, corrections, admonitions, information and guidance in them. As a matter of divine fact, His Wisdom originates from a heart of love, mercy, and compassion that are beyond human comprehension. Therefore, they are meant to stir you and I, as it were, into the favours and strength of God. And because God is God, and there is none compared to Him, it means that He can't lie. Hence, it is worthwhile and wise to give concentrated attention to His Word. God's Word is His Wisdom and His wisdom are His dictates, and they are meant for the good of whoever believes ( 2 Corinthians 12:9; Hebrews 4:16). Truthfully speaking, the fact that God does not do evil, but that He only does what is good and right, should encourage whoever cares to listen, to plunge into His truths, and also into His wisdom- and that must be through Jesus Christ, and also through the Holy Spirit, the Eternal Spirit ( 1 Corinthians 5:10; 2 Corinthians 3:5). The nuggets of truths, in this Proverbs 4, like others, are godlike precepts and instructions that are incomparable, good and right for the human soul, and for the spirit man, the hidden man of the heart, - and that mainly refers to the recreated human spirit. They are facets of biblical truths that are encouraging and also excellent for the godly type of life that many are craving and thirsting for ( Psalms 1:1-3, Psalms 37:4; Ephesians 1:17). Interestingly, depending perhaps on what background, a Christian comes from, the fact is that for the really genuine and committed type of Christian, a time will or must come that he will come into the knowledge that this God of Israel, the Father of our LORD Jesus Christ deserves to be magnified, glorified and worshipped; for there is none like Him ( John 4:23; 1 Peter 1:25). Thus, the place of wisdom, in the lives of whoever desires and dares to love and honour the Living God ( John 1:12; 3:16). He is, all that matters- and when you and I key into His love and faithfulness, He will do great wonders through us to the glory of His name. In view of these and many other things vis a vis the Word of God, wisdom dictates that we give ourselves committedly unto the LORD, and to His Word ( Matthew 6:33,34). There are challenges upon challenges that confront us, as individuals, and that is why, these truths and instructions, as contained in Proverbs, and throughout the pages of the Holy Writ, demand that we be faithfully committed to them. Remember, we have been accepted, into the family of the Beloved, and that refers to Jesus Christ ( John 17:3; Romans 8: 15; Ephesians 2:18; Galatians 4:16,1; Hebrews 9:14; 1 John 4:3; 5:13). And that is where the grace of God comes on board; His grace is more than sufficient ( 1 Corinthians 15:10; 2 Corinthians 3:5; 2 Corinthians 12:9). God has abilities no matter what task or assignment He has called you and I for. When you commit yourself to God's dictates and function in line with them, Angels will go on assignment for you ( John 15:7; James 4:16.). There are levels and degrees of encounters with God, that we can't get into except through daily obedience and practical submission to the Word of God. In fact there is nothing, as far as I know that can surpass what God has given. He has given Jesus Christ, who is referred to biblically, as the Wisdom of God, - and that is for the salvation and redemption of humanity. And when you belong to Him through the agency of the new birth, you automatically become joint heirs with Him. And with that you are sorted if you know how to walk or function in love, and then take advantage of what He has given through Christ Jesus, the Saviour of the World. The essence of these is that we should give attention to wisdom, embrace it, reflect upon it, and practice it. God's instructions and precepts demands heartfelt obedience ( Psalm 119:6; John 14:15; John 15:120; 1 Corinthians 7:19; 1 Peter 1:25; 1 John 5:3). It says whatever you do in word and deed, do it heartily as unto the LORD. Hence, in the things of the Spirit, and that refers to the Holy Spirit, high level of commitment should be the norm, and that is because God cannot lie, - and His Word is forever infallible ( John 1:1-14; Hebrews 4). Truly, God is forever trustworthy.