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IS SALVATION CONDITIONAL OR UNCONDITIONAL

Romans 5:8 For God commendeth his love for us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

No conditions were put on man to be save, it's a gift of God. You were saved before you were ever born and before you ever sinned. ( Romans 9:11)

Grace is Grace and Mercy is Mercy.

Revelation 22:12 And behold I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as HIS WORK shall be.

Matthew 7:22 .... have we not done many wonderful WORKS

Matthew 7:22 ..... depart from me ye workers of iniquity .... this is man's reward, for man's work...

I accidently left off some information from my previous post. I believe that the sons of God were bad spirits that were being banished to earther after an accounting with God. These evil spirits then commandeered souls and spirits at birth of new-borns, thus giving spirits the physical attributes needed to procreate.

Interestingly, the first verse in Genesis 6 discusses an birth explosion: And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

The second verse then mentions the sons of God. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. This seems to support the idea that evil spirits took on natural attributes.

Just because they are called sons of God does not make them good. Jesus, Son of God was good. Satan, also a son of God, was evil.

A final note. The sons of God mentioned in the OT are different from the sons of God in the NT. In the NT, we are the sons and children of God. We, natural men, have received the Holy Ghost. Romans 9:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Here, Paul is talking about us, as natural men. This notion is support later in Romans 8:16 - The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.

Dear "Antonio James". All who want too talk with God Him Self. Be ready for anything in the school with the Holy Ghost. He is talking claer in your heart, Listening and be patients with your self.

Romans 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? Please read the whole chapter.

Stay close too the Holy Spirit and be filled of Him in grace and power u need too read the Holy Bible every day. Fill you self with God's thing, like peace, understanding, love, and mm.

Be and stay blessed in His Holy Name Jesus Christ who is the King of Kings.

Brother Dan, from the foundation of the world God had a PURPOSE.

He has always used men to fulfill his PURPOSE.

Romans 9:11 ... that the PURPOSE of ELECTION might stand.

He has PURPOSED that there will be a KINGDOM on this EARTH, and ALL creation will be in this kingdom.

God CHOOSES people to fulfill his PURPOSE. Not because he loves one more than another, but because he has ELECTED that person to fulfill the purpose he chose for them.

You can see this because God has recorded his word for us to understand this ELECTION of persons.

The age we are NOW IN, God is calling out those he has ELECTED to be Priest in His Kingdom.

Not everyone is called, only his sheep hear his voice, those not of the Election to be priest don't hear this voice because they are not called to be priest, but will come into the kingdom later, at the resurrection to judgement.

Judgement is not punishment, but coming to TRUTH.

Christ took our PUNISHMENT.

It's really easy TO REST in Christ when you understand, this purpose of election.

One will be (taken as a priest) the other will be left to (come into God's election at another time).

But ALL will eventually be in the KINGDOM OF GOD.

Shalam...I came on looking for additional info/commentary on the beast in this chapter, "being like unto a leopard", but your post made some interesting points. Based on all that's unfolding I see the jab as most definitely the motb. When you look into the ingredients of this poison we find them to be gene altering no longer leaving the person a Creation of The Most High...they are then transhuman if they have chosen that route unless their jab was actually a placebo not the poison. An mRNA operating system, aborted fetal tissue, graphine oxide, luciferase and "supposedly" a Hydra gmo-- all these are mixed-in and already creating other-than-human beings on the earth.

As for the context in which "causeth" is used, I interpret it differently. First, we know we are unredeemable if we take the mark, and the believers and followers of The Way are written in the Book of Life, so surely The Most High would not force death upon those who are His or those with an option to be. Secondly, "causeth" doesn't necessarily mean "by force"; I see the cause as by deception. And when we look at it thru that lense, it lines up. This plandemic is built on a mountain of lies.

In order to understand scripture we must first understand that Christianity is a product of the Roman Catholic Church and the RCC a product of the paganism of the Roman Empire and that Rome is Edom and is Edom is Esau. Romans 9:13 tells us, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Lastly, we must know who the true Children of Israel are. Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 both mention those who say they are Jews but are of the synagogue of Satan. Without this truth, we are not able to accurately interpret the scriptures. Interestingly enough, the very people who are downtrodden and seen as worthless are the "apple of his eye", aka, the so-called African-American and other so-called Black people scattered across the four corners of the earth by way of captivity. The rabbit hole goes leagues deep.

Proverbs 6:16-19

God hates...

Romans 9:13

God is Love. Four times God is mentioned saying Hate:

Revelation 2:6; 2:15

Proverbs 6:16-19

Romans 9:13

In none of those did God say he hates the world.

Hardly anyone bats an eyelash when someone tries to estimate how many unborn humans have been scraped out of their mothers wombs. I mean abort. Miscarriages are different.

MILLIONS?

In the Book of Job ch 1, we see it is SATAN that causes, chaos, killing storms, loss of almost everyone in his family. Then "friends" show up and show Job all his faults and failings (ACCUSER). God didn't blame Job. He abundantly replaced all Job lost, and healed him.

PEOPLE start wars. Israel always asked God to bless their conflicts and wars; and they won. He blessed their faith.

God is not involved in carnage on the earth so far.

There is a day of judgement coming. Most people have an inner knowledge of that. God consciousness. ROMANS 1, says mankind is without excuse if they deny Gods existence.

He gets blamed for all the bad stuff. Never mind bad choices, carelessness, failure to maintain safety measures, etc.

God stands willing to forgive every human for sins if they will turn to Jesus as Savior and Lord.

Casual Christians have no idea what they are missing out on. Jesus will give you his spirit through the Holy Spirits indwelling. Sitting on the throne of your heart. He speaks to your spirit. You hear his voice. He's not barking orders at us. He says I love you! I chose you to be my own treasured child.

Watch a DVD, The Passion of the Christ. Does Jesus appear a mean dictator hanging on the Cross in shreds?

All the wars in the Mideast: lost lives are because Ishmael's descendants wrecked their lands and consumed their wealth on short term happiness. God blessed Ishmael more. They're rich.

But they COVET what God gave Israel. A tiny 9 mile wide strip of land. Look at all the blood spilt there!

Matthew 24; Luke 21 Everyone has been WARNED, 2000+ years. Mishael

Brother Robert, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Romans 9:17 The scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power unto thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

God is sovereign and RULES over his creation.

Everything happening every moment is HIS work, showing man his power that his name might be declared throughout the earth.

This was the same thing happening when he CAUSED the demons to go into the swine, THAT HIS POWER and HIS NAME might be declared throughout the earth.

The word of God, is speaking to the person, reading the words, we should put OUR NAME in place of the name he is speaking to.

Romans 9:17 The scripture SAITH UNTO ROBERT, even for this same purpose have I raised thee up ROBERT, that I might show my power unto thee ROBERT, and ROBERT that my name might be declared throughout the earth.

Daniel 4:34 And at the end of the days I ROBERT lifted up my eyes into heaven, and ROBERTS understanding returned to ROBERT, and ROBERT blessed the most high, and ROBERT praised and honour him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation.

Daniel 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and GOD DOTH ACCORDING TO HIS WILL in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and NONE CAN STAY HIS HAND, or say unto him, What doest thou?

ROBERT YOU CHOSEN to show GOD'S POWER and HIS NAME.

God Bless you.

Sister GiGI, you are correct, doctrines are TEACHINGS, that man accepts as TRUE, but are those teachings TRUE. Man has TEACHING that CONTRADICT GOD'S WORD, thus those TEACHINGS are not TRUE. ( Revelation 12:9)

Man believes salvation is his choice and not God's choice, contradicting scriptures. Man TEACHES this.

John 15:16 You have not chosen me but I have chosen you, and ordained you ..... Man does not TEACH this.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that God sent the Son to be Saviour of the world. Man TEACHES the SON is going to fail saving the world because it's man's choice and not God's Choice. Man TEACHES this. ( Revelation 2:24)

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN (even those that don't believe in this AGE ( Romans 9:18-21), specially those that believe (in the AGE).

1 Timothy 4:11 These things (saviour of all men) COMMAND AND TEACH. Many are called (to teach this) FEW are chosen.

Man TEACHES that those who don't CHOOSE Christ are going to HELL. Man TEACHES this. These TEACHINGS contradict all the above scriptures. ( Revelation 12:9).

Thy KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE.

Psalms 22:27 ALL the ENDS of the WORLD shall remember and TURN unto the LORD: and ALL the kindreds of the nation shall WORSHIP before thee.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that setteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Man not only does man NOT teach this, they don't BELIEVE this is TRUE. ( Revelation 12:9)

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things have been subdued unto him. then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be ALL IN ALL.

Man does not TEACH this nor even believe it ( Revelation 12:9).

Brother Kevin:

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Psalms 114:4 The mountains (people) skip like rams, and the little hills (people) as lambs.

Isaiah 55:12 ...the mountains (people) and the hills (people) shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees (people) of the field shall clap their hands.

Half (not literally half, but signified) of the people will move to the north (not literally north, but signified). God in this AGE is not saving everyone, so some will be vessels of HONOUR and SOME vessels of DISHONOUR ( Romans 9:21).

Genesis 27:41

And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; THEN will I my brother Jacob.

Romans 9:13

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Malachi 1:3

And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Obadiah 1:18

And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

KJV Commentary: Esau means

Hairy, Rebekah's first-born twin son ( Gen. 25:25). The name of Edom, "red", was also given to him from his conduct in connection with the red lentil pottage for which he sold his birthright (30, 31). The circumstances connected with his birth foreshadowed the enmity which afterwards subsisted between the "twin brothers and the nations they founded (25:22, 23, 26). In the process of time Jacob following his natural bent, became a shepherd; while Esau, a "son of the desert," devoted himself to the perilous and toilsome life of a huntsman. On a certain occasion, on returning from the chase, urged by the cravings of hunger, Esau SOLD his birthright to his brother, Jacob, who thereby obtained the covenant blessing ( Gen. 27:28, 29, 36; Heb. 12:16, 17). He afterwards tried to regain what he had so recklessly parted with, but was defeated in his attempts through the stealth of his brother ( Gen. 27:4, 34, 38). At the age of forty years, to the great grief of his parents, he "married ( Gen. 26:34, 35) two Canaanite maidens,

Esau tried to conciliate his parents ( Gen. 28:8, 9) by marrying his cousin Mahalath, the daughter of Ishmael. This led him to cast in his lot with the "Ishmaelite tribes (present day Palestinians) and driving the Horites out of Mount Seir, he settled in that region.

And again, the story of Jacob and Esau is referred to again in Hebrews 12:14-17, where believers are exhorted to pursue peace with all people and holiness, warned to avoid any root of bitterness from springing up to cause trouble, which defiles many and leads many to become fornicators and/or profane like Esau. The text in Hebrews goes on to tell how Esau sold his birthright for a morsel of food, and then later, wanted to have the inheritance back with its blessing but he was rejected due to his lack of repentance. From these N.T. Scripture we can consider that Esau di not wish to follow the ways of Isaac and his grandfather, Abraham. He wanted to run his own life his way. He is described as a fornicator and profane. This may be literally so or figuratively so, or both. Either way, Esau was rejected by God as the heir of the promise for reasons God knew in His perfect wisdom inn election of some to be vessels of his wrath an others to be vessels of his mercy. ( Romans 9:22-24) I suggest reading the whole section in Romans 9:1-33.

So, apparently God in his foreknowledge elected Jacob the heir of the promise, and Esau, in his free will choice to depart from the way of faith of his father and grandfather, was not elected. For me, I do not wrestle much with this matter, as I trust God's way and wisdom. If I was an unbeliever and read these Scriptures, I would be disturbed and either reject God or seek how to be saved, which depends, ultimately, on God's foreknowledge and election. God will never turn away a contrite heart who desires to be saved. He will make a way for this person to hear the gospel and give faith to believe by grace. Jacob was not a perfect brother, by any means. But, would become a man of God as he grew in grace and knowledge of God in his lifetime. I am reminded that later in history, God will identify himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They were elected and blessed by God despite their failings, but acted on the faith God seeded in them

Part I

2 Timothy 2:19 Has CHRIST "Always 'Known' HIS members Of The Body Of CHRIST"?

Most Assuredly, He Is Omniscient; According To ALL God-Inspired Scriptures!:

"According as He Hath Chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:" Ephesians 1:4

Chosen/Predestinated/Accepted Ephesians 1:4-6

God Predestinated HIS saints to obtain an inheritance Ephesians 1:11

Eternal Assurance Is ONE Of "The Unsearchable RICHES Of CHRIST" Which Are "...According To The ETERNAL Purpose Which HE Purposed In CHRIST JESUS our LORD!" Ephesians 3:8,11

God Justified/Predestinating us To Be Conformed To The Image Of HIS SON! Romans 8:29

And those Predestinated, Are Also Called, Justified, And Glorified! Romans 8:30

"...If God Be For us, who can be against us?" Romans 8:31 Cancels ALL else, Correct?

"Who shall lay Any Thing to the charge of God's elect? It Is God Who Justifies us!" Romans 8:33

God Prepared vessels of Mercy, For HIS Glory! Romans 9:23

"God Hath Not Cast Away HIS people whom HE Foreknew!" Romans 11:2

"Who Hath Saved us, And Called us with a holy Calling, NOT according to our works, But According To HIS Own Purpose And GRACE, Which Was Given us In CHRIST JESUS Before the world began!" 2 Timothy 1:9

"In WHOM we Have Redemption Through HIS Blood, The Forgiveness Of sins, According To The Riches Of HIS GRACE!" Ephesians 1:7

we Have No condemnation, Because CHRIST Died, Is Risen, And Is At The Right Hand Of God, And Makes Intercession For us! Romans 8:34

In CHRIST JESUS we Are Free from the law of sin and death! Romans 8:2

The Spirit Of God Dwells In us! Romans 8:9

we Have Received The Spirit Of Adoption, Whereby we cry, Abba, Father! Romans 8:15

"The Spirit HIMSELF Beareth Witness with our spirit, that we Are the children of God!" Romans 8:16

God Establishes And Anoints us In CHRIST! 2 Corinthians 1:20

God Seals us And Gives us The Earnest Of The Spirit! 2 Corinthians 1:22

cont'd in Part II

The two marks defining the people of God (Israel) were Circumcision & giving of the Law. No other people or nation received those directives from God ( Genesis 17:10,11; Leviticus 26:46). In regards to the Law, they were to learn God's requirements for a familial relationship to Him, to their society, & in their personal lives. For circumcision, they were to be marked out in a way distinct from any other (different from any body markings, cuttings or disfigurement of the heathen, even if there was an accidental loss of an organ or an appendage). And of course, the Apostle Paul spoke of this in Romans 2:25-29, connecting the two directives together - that one couldn't be without the other to the Jew - and since the Law couldn't be kept perfectly, true circumcision then must be of the heart & not of the flesh to count before God. I wonder whether what was given as a Mark of distinction & also for hygiene purposes, was also to alert the Jew that this seemingly unnatural act (of circumcision) was to point him to what the apostle now learned as a believer.

And this practise of circumcision continued, not only within Judaism, but also Islam. Yet as much as Islamists (Arabs) might have their heritage back to Seth, yet "in Isaac shall thy seed be called" ( Genesis 21:12 & Romans 9:6-8). And this rejection of Ishmael by God will always keep those adherents at odds with the "seed of Isaac", & will most likely figure in those awful days of devastation that lie ahead.

Brother ChrisE,

Regarding the thief on the cross, I will reiterate previous responses directed at this issue. God can have mercy on whomever he pleases, please see the scripture below:

Romans 9:18 "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."

It sounds like you have an issue with God choosing who he wants to have mercy on? If so, your argument is not with me, it is with God!

When Jesus forgave the thief on the cross it was "a special act of mercy" for the thief, and NOT a message "to all mankind" to go ahead and keep sinning and as long as you believe in Christ you will be saved. That is a FALSE MESSAGE with a cult like following. The devil and his demons believe, based on your doctrine "of believe only" they go to heaven too!!

In addition to Believing, we must be baptized in water, receive the Holy Spirit, also REPENT, and lead a good christian life following the gospel of Jesus Christ.This is Jesus/God stating all of this throughout the bible, and in the following scripture:

John 3:5

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Revelation 22:12-14

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Do you believe the above scripture? If you believe the above scripture, and if you love Jesus you will follow HIS advice! If you turn your back on the above scripture, Jesus has already said that he will be our JUDGE, and he will judge us according to HIS WORD!

If you can't believe the above scripture from Jesus/God, your disagreement is not with me, it's with God!

God Bless.

Hi Brother Earl,

I believe that your message is incorrect, and it conflicts with God's true message.

God can have mercy on whomever he pleases.

Romans 9:18

"Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."

The example that you stated of Jesus forgiving the thief on the cross was "a special act of mercy" for the thief, NOT a message to "all mankind" to go ahead and keep sinning and just say that you believe in Christ and you will be saved. That message of just believing is a FALSE MESSAGE! Even the devil and his demons believe, are they going to heaven too?

We must not only believe, we must be baptized in water, receive the Holy Spirit, also REPENT, and lead a good christian life following the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus/God's message is plain for all to see. We can't just ignore what Jesus instructs us to do. There is so much scripture of Jesus telling us what we need to do, to enter into the kingdom.

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Revelation 22:12-14

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Do you believe the above scripture? If you believe the above scripture, and if you love Jesus you will follow HIS advice! If you turn your back on the above scripture, Jesus has already said that he will be our JUDGE, and he will judge us according to HIS WORD!

God Bless.

Genesis 27:41

And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; THEN will I SLAY my brother Jacob.

Romans 9:13

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Malachi 1:3

And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Obadiah 1:18

And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

KJV Commentary: Esau means

Hairy, Rebekah's first-born twin son ( Gen. 25:25). The name of Edom, "red", was also given to him from his conduct in connection with the red lentil pottage for which he sold his birthright (30, 31). The circumstances connected with his birth foreshadowed the enmity which afterwards subsisted between the twin brothers and the nations they founded (25:22, 23, 26). In the process of time Jacob following his natural bent, became a shepherd; while Esau, a son of the desert, devoted himself to the perilous and toilsome life of a huntsman. On a certain occasion, on returning from the chase, urged by the cravings of hunger, Esau SOLD his birthright to his brother, Jacob, who thereby obtained the covenant blessing ( Gen. 27:28, 29, 36; Heb. 12:16, 17). He afterwards tried to regain what he had so recklessly parted with, but was defeated in his attempts through the stealth of his brother ( Gen. 27:4, 34, 38). At the age of forty years, to the great grief of his parents, he "married ( Gen. 26:34, 35) two Canaanite maidens,

Esau tried to conciliate his parents ( Gen. 28:8, 9) by marrying his cousin Mahalath, the daughter of Ishmael. This led him to cast in his lot with the "Ishmaelite tribes (present day Palestinians) and driving the Horites out of Mount Seir, he settled in that region.

Sister Glenda, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Age is in YOUR favour; because, you can look back at more experiences of LIFE, than your daughter.

The SPIRIT has CAUSED you (through the CHOICES he CAUSED you to make) to have those experiences of LIFE (good and evil) because it is necessary to become like God. ( Genesis 3:22)

God KNOWS how to USE EVIL for GOOD.

God CAUSED Joseph to have a silly little dream and to tell his brothers about that dream.

God CAUSED his brothers to be envious and hate Joseph.

God CAUSED his brothers to rise up and do EVIL against their brother Joseph.

But look what THE WORD SAYS:

Genesis 50:19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not, for I am in the place of God (where God purposed him to be).

Genesis 50:20 But as FOR YOU, you thought EVIL against me, but God meant (caused) it (evil) unto GOOD, to bring to pass, as it is this day, TO SAVE MUCH PEOPLE ALIVE.

God is STILL DOING this TODAY; Man just does't BELIEVE IT.

Did Judas have a Choice outside of what God had purposed him TO DO.( Zechariah 11:12)

Did Peter have a Choice outside of what God had purposed him TO DO (deny Jesus and flee)( Zechariah 13:7).

Did Pharaoh have a Choice outside of what God had purposed Him TO DO ( Romans 9:17).

Did David have a Choice outside of what God purposed him TO DO.

2 Samuel 24:1 And AGAIN the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he MOVED (CAUSED) David against them, to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

God PURPOSED that you are going to become the IMAGE of HIM ( Romans 8:29)( 1 Corinthians 15:49), Do you think you have a CHOICE outside of what he has purpose you TO DO.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit in you, and CAUSE you to walk in my statues (good or evil), and you shall keep my judgements, and DO THEM.

God's WAY is not man's WAY.

Sister Glenda, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom AND HIS understanding.

God is SOVEREIGN. That implies that NOTHING is done apart from HIM DOING IT; his WILL being done (good and bad). Since GOD'S WILL is always being done (even though man DOES NOT BELIEVE IT), man DOES NOT HAVE FREE WILL (man does't believe that he DOES NOT HAVE FREE WILL).

These scriptures below say man does not have free will; but that God is sovereign and does HIS WILL:

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (his SPIRIT) which WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL (he CAUSES his will to be your will) and TO DO (good or bad) his good pleasure.

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter POWER over the CLAY (his creation) of the same lump to make one vessel (man) to HONOUR, and another (man) to DISHONOUR.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom (in CHRIST) we also have obtained an INHERITANCE (from the Father, to become a SON OF GOD, like our brother Jesus Christ), being PREDESTINATED according to THE PURPOSE of him (the Father) who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my Spirit WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgements, and DO THEM.

God has a PLAN for ALL mankind. We can not fully understand why God does things the way he does; but he has PROMISED that HIS PLAN will end in PERFECTION.

When the Spirit causes you to BELIEVE the above verses you will REST in the SECURITY of his will, instead of the UNSECURITY of you SUPPOSED free will.

Brother Good Guy, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Are you a man? Do you buy and sell? We best judge ourselves by the words of God.

Proverbs 9:1 WISDOM (CHRIST) hath builded her house... ( Hebrews 3:6)

Proverbs 9:2 She (WISDOM)(CHRIST, THE WORD) hath KILLED her beast...

Have you (the beast) ONLY been wounded ( Revelation 13:3) by God's WORD OR have you (the beast) been KILLED ( Revelation 13:10) by God's WORD?

Have you (the beast) stumbled ( Romans 9:32) over the stone (CHRIST) OR has the stone (CHRIST) fallen ( Matthew 21:44) on you and ground you to powder?

We DIE daily to God's WORD.

Brother adam, may christ in is grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.

romans 9:18 therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

romans 9:19 thou wilt say unto me, why doth he yet find fault (say we sin)? for who hath resisted his will?

no one has resisted his will; therefore, no one has free will.

philippians 2:13 for it is god (spirit) that worketh in you both to will (his will not your free will) and to do his good pleasure.

ephesians 1:11 in whom we also have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him, who worketh all things after the council of his will.

the father is at present calling out; only, the chosen (by his will; those to be priest and judges in the kingdom of god).

obadiah 1:21 and saviours (the elect) shall come upon mount zion to judge the mount of esau (at the resurrection of the dead), and the the kingdom shall be the lord's.

romans 8:19 for the earnest expectation of creation waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of god (the seed of christ, the elect, the chosen, the judges, the saviours).

romans 8:21 for the creature (creation) itself also shall be delivered (through judgement) from the bondage of corruption (flesh) into the liberty of the sons of god.

isaiah 26:9 ......for when thy judgements (at the resurrection of the dead) are in the earth the world will learn righteousness.

proverbs 16:6 by mercy and truth iniquity is purged ......

romans 11:31 even so have these (the vessels of dishonour that god hardened) also not believed, that through your mercy (at the judgement of the dead) they also obtain mercy.

god has a plan for all creation, god's will, will be done.

Why say "If a man love me ... my Father will love him" ( John 14:23a) if the Father loves everybody? Proverbs 8:17 says, "I love them that love Me." Psalm 5:5 says, "Thou hatest all workers of iniquity" Notice it doesn't say works of iniquity; it says workers. This verse alone is a flat out repudiation of the teaching that, God hates sin but loves the sinner. Scripture says that "God is angry with the wicked every day." ( Psalm 7:11) John 3:36 says, "He that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him" Can God "love" the one on whom His "wrath" abides? Finally, Romans 9:13 says, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Paul asks rhetorically, "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Romans 9:14-15.

As for the verses you cite to suggest that I am violating God's "love" command, those verses are directed to the community of believers in Christ. What applies to believers does not apply to those who believe and promote a false gospel and serve the god of this world. That's why I said before that you are not my brother. Jesus told the Pharisees, "ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep." The tares and the wheat look alike until they produce fruit and are ready for harvest. The tares turn black and their fruit is poison; the wheat turns golden brown and its fruit is life sustaining. You and most people who identify as Christians are tares sown by Satan. Most people can't see the difference between the the wheat and tares because they look so much alike. It's been my experience that the tares hate the truth and openly resist it and they attack those who hold the truth in God's written word. This is how I know that you and your like-minded fellows on this site are tares full of hatred for the truth of Scripture and those who promote the gospel of grace.

Hi David.

Genesis 25:22-26. And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD.

And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people;

( AND THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER.)

And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.

And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.

And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

Romans 9:11-12. (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil,

( THAT THE PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, NOT OF

WORKS, BUT OF HIM THAT CALLETH;)

" It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger."

Here you see Sovereignty, Election, Grace, lived out in two men, and then two nations.

I believe this is where you'll see types throughout scripture patterns this order emphasizing God's Sovereign Way,

First Adam, Second Adam. "JESUS "

Flesh, Spirit. Ect..

God bless.

Romans 9:11

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to ELECTION might stand, not of works, but OF HIM that calls)

Romans 11:5

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the ELECTION OF GRACE.

Romans 11:7

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the ELECTION hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded ((the Jews))

Romans 11:28

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

The law so designated by Paul ( Gal. 3:24, 25). As so used, the" "word does not mean teacher, but pedagogue (shortened into the" "modern page), i.e., one who was intrusted with the supervision" "of a family, taking them to and from the school, being" responsible for their safety and manners. Hence the pedagogue was stern and severe in his discipline. Thus the law was a "pedagogue to the Jews, with a view to Christ, i.e., to prepare" for faith in Christ by producing convictions of guilt and "helplessness. The office of the pedagogue ceased when "faith" "came", i.e., the object of that faith, the seed, which is" Christ.

GALATIANS 3

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore THE LAW was our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that FAITH is come, we are NO LONGER under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

***28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are ALL ONE in Christ Jesus.***

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and HEIRS according to the promise.

Don't preach separatism. Mishael

In romans 11:4 new testament and 1kings 19:18 old testament.you think so that those 7000 israelites has connection to each other and they congregated in small or large group to worship almighty god? or they dont know each other (as israel is made up of 12 tribes with a millon population ) and they are not congregated in small or large group to worship almighty god because during that time,the wicked queen jezebel persecutes those who did not worship her god baal ? So,how those 7000 worship almighty god who separated them from the followers of baal in the land of israel ? In every generation of humankind,almighty god shows mercy to whoever he found favor and separates them to make them his people( romans 9:15-18) Abraham is the one in his generation and pass it to Isaac,then to Jacob and to his 12 sons and to their children to be a nation that different from other nation because it is owned by almighty god( exodus 33:16) in the midst of nations around the world that is owned by the adversary of almighty god. There are generations in Israel (as almighty god's nation) has been infiltrated by the adversary of almighty god,so from that generation he preserves and separated 7000 to remain as his followers as what happened during king ahab reign . Almighty god really choose somebody in every generation to be his followers in almost 57 generations from lord jesus up to the present.Many are saying that they are the choosen ones,organizes groups as religious organizations and converts people around the world to be their followers in the name of lord jesus. But it is true that they are the choosen ones? Who really are the choosen in this world but not part of this world? Maybe you will agree that they have no mark of the beast.Many claims they have no mark of the beast but this time of global pandemic rushes into vaccination sites.

Brother Jess, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

WE ARE POTS (vessels):

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter POWER over the clay (pot), of the same lump (of clay) to make one vessel UNTO HONOUR, and another (vessel) UNTO DISHONOUR.

John 15:16 You HAVE NOT chosen me, I HAVE CHOSEN YOU .....

You are giving yourself powers that YOU DO NOT HAVE. Pot's CANNOT DO ANYTHING (they are chosen to fullfill a predestinated position in the kingdom of heaven).

Mankind is walking in the will of God whether they know it or not; most sure don't believe that everything happening is the WILL of God.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the Spirit) that WORKETH IN YOU (creation; honourable and dishonourable vessels, causing them) both to WILL and to DO his (the Father's pleasure). (You can of yourself DO NOTHING John 15:5).

Your HAVE NO CHOICE;

Romans 8:20 For the creature (creation) was MADE SUBJECT TO VANITY, NOT WILLINGLY ....

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who (the pot) opposeth and exalteth HIMSELF above all that is called God; so that he (the pot) setteth in the TEMPLE OF GOD (you are the temple of God 1 Corinthians 3:16-17), (the pot) showing himself that he (the pot) is GOD (above the sovereignty of the Spirit, not believing the words of God.

None will perish; because it is God that is working in creation to FULLFILL his words; Man has no SAY in whats being FULLFILLED.

1 John 4:14 For we have seen and do testify that THE FATHER SENT the Son to be SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

Do you believe Christ is going to FAIL his Father's commission.

Brother Mishael,

Only God can judge.

I believe God can save anyone that he pleases.at anytime that he pleases, including someone that is a sinner and NOT a christian.

After all he is God, and he can show mercy on whomever he pleases.

Romans 9:15

"For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."

Romans 9:18

"Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."

We can look at the thief on the cross - that is now in paradise with Jesus - to really understand how God loves us.

God Bless

Hi Loretta.

You are correct, God knows all things. He even knew Satan would fall and deceive man.

Knowing this you know about as much as everybody. So with that being said I will give you my answer which would sound a lot like sister Dianne's and brother Earls, but I will say it in three word! I DONT KNOW. There is nothing given in scripture on this matter.

Another question is could creating Lucifer the way he did and knowing he would fall be a part of Gods redemption plan? Who knows?

Another question and this one might a little easier to answer, If God never created Satan and would have just created Satan would man have turned out rebellious and evil? Perhaps so. We know during the millennium Satan will be chained a thousand years and man will be under the reign of Christ and there will still be death and sin. After the Devil is loosed again he will deceive the nations again. With that being said, why did God create a rebellious man?

Now we come to part of Brother Earl's answer.

Romans 9:20-23. Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

"Perhaps this can apply to Lucifer as well."

Here's a side note on Satan. He was created perfect. Ezekiel 28:15.

He fell because of pride. Ezekiel 28:17. and this caused him to want to be like the most high! Isaiah 14:12-14.

He was created perfect and by this he wanted to be worshiped.

Is not that what he ask the Lord Jesus to do in Mathew 4:9. This is also one of mans biggest problems as well, desiring praise and glory for ourselves.

God bless.