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That's fine, Jesse. Thank you.

Hi Carlos, just because God is self sufficient doesn't mean He can't make stuff if He wants. He also doesn't owe us an explanation for WHY, nor are we entitled to know. However, He already said He made us for his glory in Isaiah 43:7.

In my personal, unproven, and non-biblical opinion, I think we were made for His glory and enjoyment and that when we voluntarily with free will and faith choose to Love God and obey Him that it is a pleasure to Him. Perhaps it's like being a parent and if your kids voluntarily tell you they love you and you 100% know it's real, that you didn't coerce them to say that, and that they're not a puppet or robot under your own control. God didn't make robots. It's more meaningful if people voluntarily choose to love.

Your other point was does God have a need to feel good about Himself? Probably not, but doing something that feels good doesn't automatically mean you're insecure about it or NEED it.

The Bible does indicate God does have human-like emotions/feelings, however, like Deuteronomy 32:16. And we're made in His likeness, which may include feelings.

Carlos,

Are you asking this because you honestly do not know the answer? Or, are you asking for a different reason or motive? I have nothing more to add other than He created all things for His glory. That's about as deep as I feel comfortable going.

Adam, good point on Isaiah 43:7. But what does that mean? What is Glory and what is Pleasure? Philosophically and Theologically speaking, God is Self-Sufficient. He doesn't lack anything and He doesn't need anything. He doesn't need love. He doesn't need to be loved. He doesn't need Pleasure? How would you define Pleasure? God also doesn't have a need to be Glorified. We praise Him because of who He is and what He does. But does He need our accolades? Does God have a need to feel good about Himself?

Pleasure and Glory are vague terms. How do you define them? Thanks. Good point.

God created us for his pleasure and glory. Isaiah 43:7

Jesse, I couldn't agree more. As you say, "everything has been designed by Him, and that He sustains everything, that His Spirit carries out His will, and everything is for His purposes. So I think what Paul was saying is that all things were created for His (Christ's) purposes."

That is exactly what I am getting at. Now, the question is, What is His purpose for creation? Or with creation? More simply stated, what did God create everything for?

Carlos,

Okay, here are my thoughts on what Paul may have meant by the words "unto" and "for" Him. Again, these are just my thoughts.

First of all, I see the comparison to Romans 11:36, so I thought I would take that and maybe share something you might be looking for, unless you already know the answer. In Romans 11:36, the words "of Him" is literally "out of Him" as a source. For out of Him, and through Him, He is the sustainer of all things. Everything has come from Him. He is the source of all things.

When I go to Hebrews Chapter 1, it tells me that all things, the epics of history and time are being carried along by the word of God. The word of God is holding all things together, carrying history along, according as God designed it. Romans 11:36 also says, and to Him, which is literally the word EIS with the accusative in the Greek. To Him! He is the significance in everything. Everything is for Him.

And I just sit back and wonder what He is doing with my life because there are things I just don't understand? But when I realize that He has a purpose and will for my life, and He has set me apart for his purposes, even if I don't understand what it is, I am content because I know He is in control. I have to live by faith, and even He is the source of that faith. I don't have to understand. All I know is that everything has been designed by Him, and that He sustains everything, that His Spirit carries out His will, and everything is for His purposes. I might not understand most of all that God does in my life until I go to be with Him, but that's fine with me.

So I think what Paul was saying is that all things were created for His (Christ's) purposes. Maybe that's still not what you are looking for, I don't know. You have a great evening!

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I'm neither "perplexed nor defensive": just explaining how I understand the Scriptures given showing the difference between the Mosaic Law & any other law, whether man-mad/given, or in one's conscience. And to "Angels crossing species": I refer to Gen 18:2; 19:1; Heb 13:2. So when I say that they crossed species, it was to indicate that they took on human form for accomplish God's Purposes.

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Carlos, to your discussion beginning with, "if when you reference Rom 5:13-14".

Since I no longer have that particular thread before me (because of the locked discussion), I will respond just on your comments. With the Romans reference, I believe I said that that all (from Adam onwards) have suffered death (both physical & spiritual) as a result of sin, "even to those who had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression". What was the similarity to Adam's transgression? Those, like Adam, that didn't have the Law given to them, or was in their knowledge, that would have given judgement to their sin. Who are these people? Adam, primitive tribes, & to some extent, Gentiles, who do perform some of the laws because of governments who embrace those principals. Then I quoted, Rom 2:14,15, to show that to those who didn't have God's Laws/Standards, "did by nature the things contained in God's Law", & upon that basis they would be judged. So, I think I'm saying what you are, except in a different way.

When I refer to, & understand, the Law in this instance, I refer to it as those Laws of God as declared & given through Moses. If God told Adam not to eat the fruit, then it is a commandment, as a parent so commands his child. Adam was not bound under the Law (& it wasn't imputed to him), as it wasn't given to him to obey. Yet, he suffered, because sin was imputed because of disobedience, regardless whether the Law was given or not. Then why the need for the Mosaic Law? It was God's declared Standard for His people, distinguishing them (as also with circumcision), from any other people in the world. The others were a law unto themselves, doing by nature the things that are contained in the Law, & were/are so judged by the performance of those un-given Laws.

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Jesse, you have dissected Colossians 1:16 indisputably well. However, what I am focused on is the "Unto Him", the "For Him" statement in the verse.

What could Paul have meant by stating that all things were created "Unto" Him?

Romans 11:36 says essentially the same thing.

Carlos, here is what I get from Colossians 1:16:

For by Him, or more literally, in Him. There's a prepositional word there that means in. In Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, and that's lordships, or principalities, or authorities:

So He's made everything, both visible and invisible. I look back to Ephesians 6:12 and I see that these listings of dominions, principalities, and powers are ranks of angels. Angels have military rank, both good angels and evil.

Paul says, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. The word high places in the Greek means spirit realm. So it seems as though angels have rank.

But the emphasis here is that in Christ, all things were created, both visible and invisible. Things that are in heaven and things that are upon the earth, all the spiritual creatures, angels, were created in Him. All things were created by Him, and that's the word through. In Greek, it is DIA with the Genitive. All things were created through Him, and for Him: that's the preposition EIS, meaning unto Him, or for Him.

I'm just sharing what I see from that Verse, not looking for a long drawn out discussion, but just sharing my understanding. I am however curious to see how others see this verse.

I did a study just on the word Wisdom and was speechless over how much information is in the Bible. That will blow your mind.

To Carlos, our discussion page has now been locked, as you've probably noticed. So, I'll to post this afresh & hope you see it.

To your comment with the lead statement, "discussion leads to growth, edification, faith and maturity." I may have grown in my faith in a similar way to you. I had a lot of teaching when attending Church as an unsaved young person. After salvation in my mid-20s, I knew I had to undo everything, get into the Word properly & methodically, & find out what God is really saying. I realize that many have done much more study than me, but it remained in my heart that I needed to sit & listen to the Holy Spirit first & then hear man speak.

I too have never fitted into any denomination & it becomes interesting when having to explain why that is so. And I doubt, that any believer who is studying God's Word intently, would ever really agree on everything a denomination stands on & preaches. I think that type of variety is very appropriate, as we individually search the Scriptures & formulate our understanding based on the Light received. I have my own understanding of the Ordinances given to us, particularly in the performance of them; I reject the Health/Wealth teaching; the requirement for the proper biblical use of the Spiritual Gifts, & even to what we've been discussing at length: the proper understanding of the Creation account. As you can see, I've been prepared to sit with you on this one, as it too has exercised my understanding of the Scriptures in a way I didn't think was possible. However, my conviction is: 'if something is not clearly revealed in the Word, then just accept what is seen & understood'. By clear revelation, I mean, after a thorough examination of all Scripture over the matter. Yes, you could be right in your assumptions about Creation, but I just don't accept as fact something that is unclear in the Word & then have to entertain possibilities or probabilities for everything that follows after it.

Joshua on Colossians 1:15 brought up an interesting question. Who is Jesus? Is He God Devine or a created being God promoted to a higher position? There is a related Central theme in Scripture we often don't pay a lot of attention to. Even Preachers seem to skip over it when referencing it. But if you don't fully understand it, the rest of Scripture becomes difficult.

I am asking the following question for all who would like to respond, on Colossians 1:16,

"For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and FOR Him."

I have discussed this a little with others, but I would like to look at it on its own. From:

PURPOSE DRIVEN CREATION

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Q: What does the word FOR mean? What does it mean that all things were created FOR Him?

Mahlon & Chilion were Naomi's sons. They married two Moabitish girls: Mahlon married Ruth ( Ruth 4:10), so Chilion must have married Orpah.

Ruth 1:22 the question was actually, how is Orpha related to Naomi, and. Daughter in law. Ruth 1:22 is cited- Orpha was married to Naomi's son Mahlon.

We don't know if Orpha was married to Mahlon or Cilion. It is a mistake to suggest we do.

The question Who was Mahlon's married to/ wife: Answer Orpha

The bible does not explicitly say. 50% chance it is true, but the bible does not tell us.

Just like Shem, Ham & Japheth- it would be an error to think Shem is the oldest.

Indeed she was!!!

Ruth was faithful to God!

Naomi must have been absolutely devastated over the loss of her husband and her two children and grieving heavily.

we can learn a lot from Ruth, because any minute of the hour the norms-of-life can occur in my or your life as it did with Ruth, there is the drought economic failure having to relocate deaths older plus single all these and more can come upon me and you unexpectedly. Never-the-less if we are Rightly rooted in Jehovah GOD, especially through JESUS, we shall be able to endure.

Great question. I think of it this way: If my mom was born in Ghana and my Father was born in New York, but I was born in Nigeria..Am I not Nigerian To God be the glory

I didn't know that i had this on my pad. I need a pad to keep memo on

Ruth was unknowingly following God' plan and purpose of God for her life. It all falls down to Divine Direction

God bless yall

Ruth, women country of Moab: she is King David Grand mom, if so them down the line king David is also Jesus grandfather then Jesus was half Jew and Moab.

this is encouraging and good

Naomi said to call her 'mara' because of the affliction she had to endure in Moab. She believed God had afflicted her and decided to return home to her people and away from the idolatry of Moab.

Very bitter person because of the loss of her two sons God had Afflicted her call me not Naomi anymore she says but call me Mara mean meaning bitter
Sometimes we go through a time of bitterness in our life and we think God has affected us but like the example of Joseph Joseph had a good attitude through it all in the end Joseph was the second ruler in the land of Egypt

Verse 20~Naomi felt very bitter and expressed her bitterness by the words that she expressed here.