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  • Adam - 2 years ago
    Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

    "mighty God" = Jesus as a baby is called God.

    Titus 2:13-14 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

    "God and our Savior Jesus Christ"

    Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

    1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

    "God was manifest in the flesh" = this is Jesus, who was manifest in the flesh. John 1:14

    Revelation 19:13-16

    "his name is called The Word of God" = Jesus.

    "and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." = Jesus

    "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." = Jesus

    John 1:1 clearly says the "Word was God."

    "Lord" also means deity or God.

    "But Jesus prayed to God so how can He be God?"

    Because the Bible says He is. Jesus has always been Jn 1:2 and relegated Himself to become a temporary man in the flesh prayed to God the Father. Just because He prayed as a temporary man does not automatically mean He wasn't God, the Son. 1 John 5:7

    Philippians 2:9-11

    "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

    That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
  • Paul - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello GiGi

    pt 1

    I appreciate your thoughts.

    I'm glad you stepped in to share your convictions.

    And I agree with what you say

    "but I would like to add that anything is possible with God except sinning or doing evil."

    "He is absolutely pure and sinless. He is without shadow or hint of corruption. He is infinitely righteous in all of His ways."

    "He is patient and longsuffering, willing that many more will come to believe the Gospel, even today, or tomorrow, or ten years from now."

    And to become a son or daughter of God one must come unto Christ.

    But I respectfully disagree with,

    "We may never be able to resolve the seeming contradictions or paradoxes in the Scriptures."

    We are commanded to speak the same thing ( 1 Corinthians 1:10)

    We are commanded to speak sound doctrine ( Titus 2:1)

    We are to be one body in Christ ( 1 Corinthians 12:12)

    And we are that body of Christ the was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities: upon whom the chastisement of our peace is upon; (paraphrased)

    and with his stripes we are healed. ( Isaiah 53)

    I feel prompted by the Spirit of the God of Israel to say the things I'm saying.

    I've read the Book of Mormon and Bible over and over and over again.

    I believe the 2 books are gathering Israel.

    I believe the resurrected Jesus Christ came to the people on the American continent to gather the other sheep Christ spoke of while in Jerusalem. ( John 10:16)

    If you had a conviction of things in Christ our Lord, wouldn't you be moved to share?

    But because of the many false, ludicrous doctrines in the Mormon Church fostered by its own Church leaders, many stay away from the Scripture/Book of Mormon.

    I respectfully challenge anyone reading this to please show me in the Book of Mormon something contrary to the Bible.

    If you do so I will no longer believe the Book of Mormon.

    I have provided Biblical Scripture after Scripture indicating support for the Book of Mormon with the Bible.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Romans 8 - 2 years ago
    John 10:17,18, Titus 2:13-15, Mark 14:8,18,21,41, Matthew 16:21,

    Isaiah 53, John 3:15-17,

    Matthew 26:46- keep reading through, Matthew 27, full chapter , Mark 14:42-72 through- Mark 15, whole chapter,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Daniel - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Nope. Predestined refers to our walk. Calvinism twisted this into seeming like God only elected 'some' for His Blood and not all.

    The Bible teaches universal atonement. Like it or not, the Word of God is our Final Authority, NOT Spurgeon or any other man. 1st John 2:2 reads, ""And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 2nd Corinthians 5:15, "And that he died for all..." We read in 1st Timothy 1:15, "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. The Word of God proclaims that Christ came to save sinners, not just certain sinners.

    Listen to the plain teaching of 2nd peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." This Scripture clearly reveals that it is possible for ALL men to repent. God is NOT willing for any to perish. If Calvinism is correct, then how can you reconcile God's desire for all men to repent if He only predestinates certain of them to salvation? Calvinism makes no sense at all.

    Furthermore, God never forces anyone to be saved. Not one instance in the Word of God is found where God forced anyone to get saved. Again, Titus 2:11 declares that the grace of God that brings salvation appears to ALL humanity. Psalm 19:1-3 clearly teaches that nature itself testifies of the goodness of God. Romans 1:20 teaches that God's eternal power and Godhead are CLEARLY presented in God's creation.
  • Paul - 2 years ago
    But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: ( Titus 2:1)

    We are saved by grace through faith.

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ( Ephesians 2:8)

    And Jesus said the to woman who anointed His feet,

    And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace. ( Luke 7:30)

    But James teaches,

    For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ( James 2:26)

    Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. ( James 2:17)

    Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. ( James 2:18)

    Therefore, James and Paul contradict.

    And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. ( Romans 11:6)

    Consequently, we are saved by both faith and works, which says both James and Paul are inspired and not one over the other.

    And Christ's apostles will judge

    when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
  • Paul - 2 years ago
    But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: ( Titus 2:1)

    The Bible tells us we lived with God before we were born.



    Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

    When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? ( Job 38:4,7)

    Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. ( Jeremiah 1:5)

    Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 2 (Timothy 1:9)

    According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: ( Ephesians 1:4)

    But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: ( 1 Corinthians 2:7)

    In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; (Titus1:2)

    (A Prayer of Moses the man of God.) Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.



    Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. (Psalms: 90:1-2)

    God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. ( Romans 11:2)



    She was with our Lord before and during the creation of the world.



    Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; ( Proverbs 8:30)

    Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

    I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

    When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

    When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

    ( Proverbs 8:4, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27)
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Douglas Borchard,

    This prophecy gives the precise time of the first coming of the Messiah. You will receive different understandings of this, it is a study that will take much time. this is just a little information you may use to help your study.

    Many put the last week of this prophecy at the end times. It is used for the 7 years of tribulation, a peace treaty with the antichrist (he in verse 27) for 3 1/2 years then 3 years of great tribulation with the taking of the church somewhere between (pre, mid, post).

    "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, (70 weeks, 70 x 7 = 490 solar years or 483 prophetic years) on the house of Israel (Daniel's people) and the holy city (Jerusalem). It started from "the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem", make a note, that the rebuilding of the temple is not in this prophecy.

    Here are a few verses that may help your study and if this prophecy has been fulfilled or not.

    1. To finish the transgression Isaiah 53:5, 8 Isaiah 53:11 Hebrews 9:15-18

    2. To make an end of sins Matthew 1:21 Hebrews 10:8-11 John 1:29 1 Corinthians 15:3

    1 John 3:5 Psalm 32 Romans 8:3

    3. To make reconciliation for iniquity Colossians 1:20-22 Isaiah 53:6 Isaiah 53:11 Ephesians 2:16 ( Titus 2:14 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

    4. To bring in everlasting righteousness Romans 5:17-21 Romans 3:21-26 1Peter 2:24

    2 Corinthians 5:21 Isaiah 61:10-11

    5. To seal up vision and prophecy Daniel 9:23 John 6:27 Mark 1:14-15 Acts 3:18

    John 5:36-40 Matthew 11:11-15

    6. To anoint the most holy Hebrews 8:1-12 Hebrews 9:6-14

    The six things that were determined on Daniel's people and the holy city in this 70-week prophecy; did the Messiah/Jesus fulfill?

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply on Proverbs 14 - 2 years ago
    Hello Tabitha. I would share the following Scriptures:

    1 Corinthians 11:3; Proverbs 12:4; Proverbs 14:1; Proverbs 19:14; Proverbs 31:10-31; Titus 2:3-5; 1 Peter 3:1-4.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Amen Brother Jesse.

    We are to be looking for that blessing hope. Not wrath.

    Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

    Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    Titus 2:12-13.

    We are not looking for wrath.

    Zephaniah 1:14-15. The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

    That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

    1 Thessalonians 5:9. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

    Some argue that Christ comes after the tribulation but before Christ pours out his wrath but

    2 Thessalonians 2:7-8. seems to suggest not.

    "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, UNTIL HE BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY.

    ( And then shall that Wicked be revealed,) whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:"

    The Holyspirit would never be removed and leave the Church behind. John 14:17-18. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

    I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS: I will come to you.

    The Holyspirit is the Comforter.

    John 14:26.

    God bless.
  • Ronnette Part 4 - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Luke 16:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.

    Psalms 86:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Shew me a token for good; that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed: because thou, LORD, hast holpen me, and comforted me.

    Titus 2:8 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

    Jeremiah 14:4 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Because the ground is chapt, for there was no rain in the earth, the plowmen were ashamed, they covered their heads.

    Psalms 34:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed.

    Psalms 74:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name.

    Psalms 25:2 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.

    1 Peter 4:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

    Romans 6:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

    Isaiah 45:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

    Hosea 10:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    It shall be also carried unto Assyria for a present to king Jareb: Ephraim shall receive shame, and Israel shall be ashamed of his own counsel.
  • Names of Jesus A_C - 2 years ago
    Advocate - 1 John 2:1

    Alive for Evermore - Rev 1:18

    All Knowing Psalm 139:1-6

    All, and in All - Colossians 3:11

    Almighty - Revelation 1:8

    Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:8

    Altar - Hebrews 13:10

    Altogether Lovely - Song of Solomon 5:16

    Amen - Revelation 3:14

    Ancient of Days - Daniel 7:13 & Daniel 7:22

    Anointed One - 1 Samuel 2:35

    Author of Eternal Salvation - Hebrews 5:9

    Author of our Faith - Hebrews 12:2

    Balm of Gilead - Jeremiah 8:22

    Banner over us - Ps 60:4, S of Sol 2:4

    Bearer of Sin - Hebrews 9:28

    Before All Things - Colossians 1:17

    Beginning and Ending - Revelation 1:8

    Bishop of our Souls - 1 Peter 2:25

    Blessed and Only Potentate - 1 Timothy 6:15

    Blessed Hope - Titus 2:13

    Bread of Life, my manna - John 6:35

    Bridegroom - John 3:29

    Bright and Morning Star - Revelation 22:16

    Brightness of His Glory - Hebrews 1:3

    Buckler - Psalms 18:30

    Captain - Joshua 5:14-15, Hebrews 2:10

    Changeless One - Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8

    Chief Among 10,000, S. of Solomon 5:10

    Chosen of God - 1 Peter 2:4

    Christ - Matthew 1:16 - 1 John 5:1

    Comforter - John 14:16-18

    Consolation of Israel - Luke 2:25

    Counselor - Isaiah 9:6

    Creator - Romans 1:25 - Isaiah 40:28

    Crown of Glory - Isaiah 28:5
  • WHAT IS GODLY RESPECT - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Matthew 7:12 - Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

    Romans 12:10 - Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

    Exodus 20:12 - Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

    Philippians 2:3 - Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

    1 Peter 2:17 - Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king/president

    Titus 2:7 - In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

    Romans 12:9-11 - Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

    Acts 10:34-35 - Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

    1 Thessalonians 5:12-13 - And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

    Romans 2:7-16 - To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

    Romans 13:1-7 - Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be, are ordained of God.

    Hebrews 13:7 - Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow,

    Colossians 3:25 - But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

    Romans 2:11

    For there is no respect of persons with God.

    2 Chronicles 6:19 (a prayer)

    Have respect therefore to the prayer of thy servant, and to his supplication, O LORD my God, to hearken unto the cry and the prayer which thy servant prayeth before thee:

    Use the Search Engine box on the entrance link page. You will be wise.

    Mishael
  • Can People in Heaven See Us On Earth - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hebrews 12:1 continues, "Let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us." Because of the faith and endurance of believers who went before us, we are inspired to stay the course in our own race of faith. We follow the examples of Abraham and Moses and Rahab and Gideon and etc.

    Some people point to the rich man's mention of his brothers in Luke 16:28 as proof that departed souls (in Hades, at least) can see events on earth. However, the passage never says that the rich man could see his brothers; he knew he had brothers, and he knew they were unbelievers. Also, some people use Revelation 6:10 as a proof text: the tribulation martyrs call for God to avenge their deaths. Again, this passage says nothing about the martyrs seeing people on earth; it simply says that they knew they deserved justice and desired the Lord to take action.

    The Bible doesn't specifically say that people in heaven cannot look down on us, so we can't be dogmatic. However, it is unlikely that they can. People in heaven are likely preoccupied with other things such as worshiping God and enjoying the glories of heaven.

    Whether or not people in heaven can look down and see us, we are not running our race for them. We are not hoping for their approval or listening for their applause. Hebrews 12:2 keeps our focus where it belongs: "Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith." Jesus is our blessed hope, no other ( Titus 2:13).

    I think it's better to address our hopes and concerns to Jesus. Who ever lives to make intercessions for us.

    Mishael
  • Anna - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Acts 5:27-42 kjv, Galatians 5:1 kjv, Ephesians 6:24 kjv,

    Exodus 1:15-17 kjv, Daniel 3 kjv, Daniel 6 kjv,

    Matthew 7:13-15 kjv, Titus 2:13 kjv, Rev 13:15 kjv,

    Proverbs 29:25 kjv:
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Mark 16:15 - 2 years ago
    Revelation 8, - Revelation 9, - Revelation 10, note there are 7 angels with seven trumpets Revelation 8:2-6, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th angels "sounded" their trumpets in Rev. 8, Revelation 8:7,8,10,12, & warns of the final 3. Revelation 8:13, "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabitants of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound"

    The 5th & 6th angels sound in Rev. 9, Revelation 9:1,13, It's not until Revelation 10, the 7th will sound Revelation 10:7,

    1Corinthians 15:52, Jeremiah 4:13, Daniel 7:13, Zephaniah 1, Zephaniah 1:15,16, Amos 5:18-20, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37, Revelation 1:7, Mark 14:60-62, Matthew 26:62-64, Revelation 10:1-7, Revelation 14,

    1Thessalonians 1:9,10, 1Thessalonians 2:19, John 17, 1Thessalonians 3:4, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1Thessalonians 5, 2Thessalonians 1, 2Thessalonians 2, 2Timothy 2, 2Timothy 3, 2Timothy 3:12, 2Timothy 4:1-8, Titus 2:13-15, 2Peter 2:4-9, 2Peter 3:9-18,

    Hopefully these are helpful to this discussion
  • Chris - In Reply on Matthew 26 - 2 years ago
    Here are a few for you to consider, Dorothea:

    Leviticus 19:16; Psalm 15:2,3; Psalm 101:5; Proverbs 6:16-19; Proverbs 11:13; Proverbs 16:27,28; Proverbs 17:9; Proverbs 18:8; Proverbs 20:19; Proverbs 26:20; Romans 1:28-30; 2 Corinthians 12:20; 1 Timothy 5:11-13; Titus 2:3.
  • Richard H Priday on Esther 2 - 2 years ago
    Proverbs 14:34 comes to mind in this chapter. Here we see the beginning of a process which God Himself had "set up" to accomplish His purposes. Mordecai supervised Esther; and told her NOT to reveal that she was a Jew. This affiliation with her people was to have enormous implications that can hardly be overstated; and she later had to be prodded to risk her own life and reveal these things once the plot of Haman was concocted and the King's edict rendered.

    Titus 2:3-5 also is relevant here; as is 1 Peter 3:6 among other verses which show God's plan for women to be exalted.

    The record of Mordecai of the attempted assault of the two chamberlains showed how the Jews were to be commended for helping with the security of the King; and this record would help the "humble to be exalted" as it were at a later date to vindicate Mordecai. (see ( Matthew 23:12). This attitude of service was repeated with Daniel in exile in Persia under Nebuchadnezzar; and Joseph in Egypt under the Pharaoh. We see a similar pattern as well with a crisis for the whole Jewish nation when the golden idol was set up; and the three men along with Daniel refused to worship it. Daniel himself ignored an edict about praying toward Jerusalem which put him in the lion's den. To be willing to die rather than serve men; Christ (the 4th man in the fire) was exalted and edicts went out that anyone who did NOT honor the God of Israel was to have their houses made into a "dunghill" ( Daniel 3:29). The edict of King Ahasuerus was also a game changer; to bring about God's preservation of His people.
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Joyce, just to add to the other great comments, I sense that because man & woman were created in God's Image ( Genesis 1:27), He imparted to us also the ability of making choices in the life He has given us. He wanted a creation who would naturally enjoy all His Provisions & Gifts to them (the beauty of the Earth, of life & human experiences, of relationships, of expectations & hopes, etc.). Even of animals, we find that the ability to choose is present.

    So we wouldn't be able to live as God intended for us on Earth if He denied us this important trait; in other words, we would be less than human & would only live & worship Him mechanically & probably without feeling or expression. And yet the downside of this is that, in our free will, we can choose to disobey Him & go against His Will for us. Therefore knowing this, He even made provision for wayward, sinful man to come back to Him & that man would do so because he understands how far he has strayed from God & from His perfect creation. Yet, most will make the most of this free Will they have & choose to satisfy their sinful appetites & show no concern for their spiritual barrenness, even denying their Creator Who ever waits for their repentance & love.

    God could have quite easily denied us Free Will, but we would not be a creation that properly fitted His Design & be representative of His Image; as those giving Him all worship, to the Holy One Who is worthy to receive all praise from His creation. Titus 2:11-14; 1 Peter 2:9.
  • D W L - 2 years ago
    Chris m- Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    There is no end to the instructions you can get, 63 yrs ago I started reading 69 books and haven't found much time or need for others. Old testament I read some but to get real help its in the new testament. There is no harm in saying I don't know.

    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Some of these Scriptures might help you, Gervis; these are more about the godly relationship & responsibilities one has to each other in the family and what a husband/father should expect when nurturing his family in the fear of God.

    Proverbs 15:20; Proverbs 22:6; 1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:22-28,33; Ephesians 6:1-4; Colossians 3:18-21; Titus 2:2-8; 1 Peter 3:1-7.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello CMF You can find information about the role of women in the church assembly in Paul's letters in Titus 2:3-5; 1Corinthians 11; 14:26-40 and a few other places. In a nutshell, Paul teaches that women should be submissive to their husbands, learn from their godly husbands, pastors, elders, deacons, and also from older women (who have wisdom and experience in the faith and in caring for their families that younger women can learn from).

    Paul does state that women should not hold a place of authority over men, nor be a teacher over men (as in the case of a pastor, elder, deacon, or teacher appointed by the church to serve in these capacities.) However, it does not preclude women from teaching other women or children, such as in Sunday School or Bible Study groups.

    As individual Christians, we are told by Paul to teach, encourage, exhort, correct, and build one another up in one another's faith through the word and sound doctrine. So. as Christians, men or women, we should be willing to learn from one another as we interact with one another in ways that promote godliness and knowledge of the faith passed down through the apostles.

    There are some in the body that will speak that women are to keep silent and not teach at all. For me, when I encounter such persons I respect their point of view and let them carry the conversation or teaching role. But most believers I know accept helpful interchanges between one another regardless of sex as long as such interchanges are godly and centered on Christ.

    Hope this helps. You will most likely get a number of responses as this topic comes up often and prompt many to reply.

    Be open to hear everyone's responses and be prayerful about what you will receive as applicable to yourself in the situation you had in mind when you asked this question.

    God Bless
  • Jane on Titus 2 - 3 years ago
    Adamplease read 1Timothy 6:10. The love of money is the root of all evil.
  • Gigi - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Jim

    I am not sure exactly what You are asking. My comment to your post was in reference to what it seemed to me that You do not believe Jesus is God.

    Titus 2:13 days that we are " looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ."

    In John 20:28

    Thomas said of the risen Lord Jesus "My Lord and my God" and Jesus accepted what Thomas said. He did not deny being God.

    In Matthrw 1:23 Jesus is referred to as "Immanuel" which is translated "God with us."

    John 1:1 says "On the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

    And then in John 1:14 it says of Jesus

    "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

    So this passage in John identifies Jesus as God in the flesh (the eternal Word)

    Therefore the scripture say that Jesus is God, but he was also man, having come

    In the flesh. He had two natures, a divine nature and a human nature, both on the one Petson of Jesus.

    His nature as God cannot sin because God is perfectly holy and never changes in such qualities of His essence.

    So I think I have answered your question.
  • Gigi - In Reply - 3 years ago
    I agree, no matter where you are in your Christ walk, reading of His life in the gospels is always wise. He is the author and finisher of it faith (Heb.12:2)

    He is our Lord and our God

    ( John 20:28) He is the Resurrection and the Life ( John 11:25) He is the brightness of God's glory and the express image of God's Person ( Hebrews 1:3) he is worshipped by all the angels

    ( Hebrews 1:6) He is our Great God and Savior ( Titus 2:13-14) He is King of kings and Lord Of lords ( Rev. 19:16)



    And so much more. Therefore should we not have great interest and earnest desire to read of His life, words and actions from the Gospels often?

    For me, I love all sections of the Bible, but lovebtheGspels the most. It is here in the Gospels that I intake the truth of my Savior and become familiar with Him as the One I worship, adore, follow, serve, and hold out to others to come to know by faith.

    It is Jesus that we should know the most about. We should be thoroughly familiar with His life in the Gospels so that we can better understand the teachings about Hom in the Epistles, Revelation, and OT. This is why I always suggest that people wishing to know the Bible better begin with the Gospels.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Jim,

    John 1:1 already said Jesus is God. That's all I need to know. When it says the Word was God, do you think it means the Word was 'not' God? If that is your interpretation, can you please explain how you honestly arrive at that?

    I noticed you didn't comment on the more than 20 verses I posted previously. Did you hover over each of them? Each support that Jesus is God. For instance the plural 'we' in Genesis.

    So, let's pretend for a moment that the 4 verses you last shared flat out said Jesus isn't God. If that were true we would then have 20 or more verses supporting that He is God, and then your 4 supporting that He isn't. Which do you then choose to believe: the one with more scriptural support, or the one with less?

    But your four verses do not say Jesus isn't God, you are just interpreting that way. It also takes some mental gymnastics in my opinion to arrive at that. It must involve ignoring and absolutely disregarding much scripture, like the 20+ verses I shared. There are many more not yet shared which also support Jesus being God. There are so many pieces of evidence throughout the Bible, like the miracles, perfection, dying for you, resurrection, He was worshipped as being God ever since being a baby, people calling Him Lord and God, on and on.

    1 Timothy 2:5 - the man Jesus Christ. He did become a man and He is a mediator to the Father. Both man and God. Titus 2:13

    Let's say that you honestly read the entire Bible and weighed all the evidence and support, and prayed for wisdom about it. If you found that the Bible has more support for Jesus being God would you choose to believe it?

    Do you believe God has limited power, or do you think God has the ability to be in a form we created beings don't have a framework to understand? For example of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were one, 1 John 5:7.

    Do you believe Jesus is Lord as Romans 10:9 says? Do you believe He died for you for the forgiveness of your sins?

    God bless...
  • GiGi - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Yes, Bro Dan. We are saved by Jesus. We are given grace that produces faith in us to believe in Jesus and the truth of all of what He did to redeem us. None of us on this forum say otherwise. Yet, once we come into this salvation, we also have grace that empowers us to live for God according to the holy way He proscribes. ( Titus 2:11-12)

    When you and I speak of water baptism, we are not substituting this rite for anything Jesus has done for out salvation. But, many who reject it continue to accuse us of doing so. But, here, again I state it so no one will misconstrue what my viewpoint. When we speak of water baptism, you and I know that this was the apostolic practice in all of the churches in the first century and continued to be the practice for new believers throughout the centuries up to this day. Those who say this is not so are at odds with the historical witness of the church written about again and again throughout the church age. Those who say that the word baptism means something different in the original Greek are not referring to the most common definition used during those centuries. They are using a definition that suits their viewpoint. I do not believe them on this.

    The handful of us who have posted on this site to support water baptism are appealing to readers to consider that if one testifies to be "in Christ" and wishes to live His way, then certainly one should be willing to do what He asks of us and comply with what He demonstrated for us in His own baptism and command to the apostles to baptize believers in the way He has done, which was water baptism. I am sure that all of the apostles, disciples, and Paul, wo were called to spread the gospel knew exactly what Jesus meant when He said to baptize new believers. It was water baptism, just as they all were water baptized. I doubt any of them did anything else in lieu of water baptism. They knew and acknowledged that ALL authority was given to Jesus, so none of them could change is command
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Kimberlee.

    I believe you are referring to this verse.

    1 Timothy 2:11-14.

    I believe that refers to Pastoring the Church. " Where men and women gather in a group setting".

    I don't think this is necessarily the church building, If the building was destroyed the church still exists in the gathering of the people. In 1 Corinthians it mentions Churches. "Plural" perhaps meaning, where ever they gather.

    1 Corinthians 14:33-36. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all "CHURCHES" of the saints.

    Let your women keep silence in the "CHURCHES": for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

    And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

    What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

    That doesn't say they don't minister or teach other women.

    Titus 2:3-4. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, TEACHERS of good things;

    That they may TEACH the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

    I don't think it's because they can't teach.

    When you look at 1 Corinthians 14:1-40.

    It seems it's to keep things orderly is the context. And then It may have more to do with Genesis 3:16. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; "AND THY DESIRE SHALL BE TO THY HUSBAND," and he shall rule over thee.

    Some say this is to rule over.

    My assertion is speculative.

    God bless.
  • Wilbur - 3 years ago
    Comment Part 16 continued

    1 Corinthians 14:33-40 KJV

    [33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. [34] Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. [36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? [37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. [38] But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. [39] Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. [40] Let all things be done decently and in order.

    1 Timothy 2:9-15 KJV

    [9] In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; [10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. [11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. [12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. [13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve. [14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. [15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

    Titus 2:3-5 KJV

    [3] The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; [4] That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, [5] To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
  • GiGi again - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Rick, There have been "laws" from God in all ages since Adam and Eve. Commands and laws are spoken interchangeably to refer to the Law of Moses and so therefore, any command of God is a "law".

    God commanded Adam and Even to not eat from the tree of Knowledge of good and evil. This was a one time "law".

    God gave Noah commands after the flood. These were "laws" for all mankind. God gave Abraham a command to sacrifice Abraham. This was a one time "law". Abraham knew He was to obey God, and he did and his obedience demonstrated his faith in God.

    God wrote the 10 commandments with His own "finger" for Moses and these were "laws" for all time.

    Jesus gave stated that to be saved one needs to believe and be baptized, and commanded His disciples to baptize all who believer. This was a "law" for all of the church for all time. He told His disciples that those who love Him will keep His commands, (again laws).



    I do not despise the words "laws" or "commands". Unbelievers and evil doers do. Nor do I despise obeying the moral commands of God. Unbelievers and evil doers do. Grace did not change our obligation to obey God in the commands He gave us, especially those given by Jesus in the gospels. Nor did it change how God deals with mankind, as you imply. What changed is that grace is given to those God chooses to save. This grace regenerates us, creates faith in us to believe, cleanses us from our sins, and allows the Holy Spirit to dwell in us, having been made holy. This grace sanctifies us and empowers us to say "no" to ungodliness and "yes" to what is what God says is the right thing to do. ( Titus 2:11-14) ( Titus 3:4-7) (1 Thess.4:1-2) ( Gal. 6:7-10) (Rom.7:22-25) Without grace, we would all remain enemies of God. But grace brings us God' redemption in
  • GiGi - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dear William, Chris, and Rick,

    It is interesting to read these responses because even though you seem to disagree, I think you all do agree. In Crist we are finally free to live as God would call us to live. Therefore, by the power of God's grace given through the Spirit in us, we can obey God in ways higher than even the good and holy Law (10 commandments). Therefore, we can follow what is said in Titus 2:11-14.

    "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously and godly in this present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works."

    This verse tells us that grace trains us to do what is truly godly in God's eyes. So, we will not murder or hate, but love; we will not be sexually immoral or lust, but faithfully fulfill the needs of our spouse; we will not make graven images as idols nor worship self, but we will be devoted to God above all else; we will not lie and or be deceptive, but we will be honest and true to what we profess. So, by the Spirit we will obey the 10 commandments as a way of life, and then some, because we have been made a new creature in Christ, not longer a slave to sinful desires, but are free to be obedient to God's will. We will sin against God's will at times. Most ways that we sin will be found in the spirit and not just the letter of the 10 commands of God. But, praise God, we will not be captured again by sin as before we were saved! We can confess and be forgiven. We have a power in us that is not of us that makes us stronger than the evil desires we are tempted with. We will increasingly have victory over sin. As we are changed bit by bit to be more and more like Jesus. The Law does not save us, only Jesus does.


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