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Rom 2:14-16 speaks of the Gentiles (i.e. those who did not receive God's Laws) & their accountability before God as a result. Now, in Paul's day, the Gentiles (Romans/Greeks) had no reference to God's Laws as we have today in our Judeo/Christian cultures, but were subject to their own devised laws. Likewise, those more primitive souls who live in the jungles would either have their own laws or instinctively performed the laws written in their consciences. And these laws, says Paul, either accused them or excused them, making them conscious of errors (sins) in their hearts.

So to the Jew who followed the Law to the letter, or to the Gentile trying to obey the laws given (or, not given) to him, or to the tribal convicted in his own heart, all would be accountable to God for their perfect obedience to them. And we know that none are righteous - not even one, none can keep any law perfectly & none can ever claim to have an untarnished conscience. The only solution to man's failure to keep God's Laws & incurring His penalty, was to have faith in His Son's redeeming work at the Cross. Without that type of faith it is impossible to please God & impossible to be saved from His righteous Anger against us. And that is why, Jesus commission in Mt 28:19,20 was to reach out into 'all nations' to teach them this Truth so that they might be saved.

I believe that if there is anyone that should stand in trepidation before God, it should probably be each one of us, who have failed in reaching out to someone with the hope of the Gospel.

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John, if I might respond to you once again.

I think I understand your point: "that God's Grace to all meant that His Salvation has appeared (revealed) to all people". One could look at it this way that all people everywhere have had that grace applied to them. Yet, we know that the Gift of Salvation has been given for all yet also requires a personal response to it in this life & not after death; ( Jn 3:16 "that whoever believes"; Rom 10:13-15 "whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved") are just a couple of portions.

Every Christian Mission, including NTM, will have this burden upon them: 'that unless someone goes out to proclaim this Good News to the unreached, then those people will never hear. And if they don't hear, they will not be able to respond, & if they don't respond to Christ, then they have rejected the Grace of God & bound for a Christ-less eternity". As well, there is nowhere in the Bible that anyone, even the unreached people, will have a second opportunity to stand before God to receive some 'special' respite from going to Hell. Heb 9:27: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement". There is no second opportunity (even for that "little brown man"), nor purgatory, between now & eternity.

Romans chapter 1

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE.

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Comment: People have been given the ability to learn through natural things that Someone had to of made all this.

This world will soon pass away. If people are so inclined: then google to find a church that sends missionaries to those places and help fund their efforts.

We are to "Go Ye into all the world". That may mean going to your own neighborhood to invite people to come to your church. A little friendliness makes all the difference.

Or it may mean giving some of your God given wealth to help missionaries go ye for you. David Wilkerson (deceased now) son Gary Wilkerson of World Challenge sends missionaries all over the world. See his website. You might like to get his newsletter. I love it.

Titus 2:11-14 NKJV

For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

i am of the mind that because of this verse no one needs to go to an eternal hell. i went to new tribes mission with the belief that if the "little brown man in the jungle" did not hear and acceot Christ he'd go straight to hell. well this verse leads me to believe that when the little brown man dies and stands before God. God will ask him if he wants to join Him or go into eternal punishment. this,my theory, let's man off the hook as far as evangelizing the world. i mean who would choose eternal damnation? what think ye?

thank you for your reply

John, these are two types of prayer that you are considering. In Mt 6 (also in Lk 11) this was a special request by Jesus' disciples to given them a prayer as John the Baptist did for his disciples (disciples = those under training by a teacher). It was common for rabbis/teachers to give their followers a prayer to be recited that encompassed their beliefs & helped these newbies to focus on God. Hence, this request to Jesus by His disciples. And though this prayer is still used by many in many Churches, sadly it often just becomes a recitation or formality. The preference for believers is to pray to the Father from the heart as a result of the yearning of the spirit: Mt 6:6, is 'to pray to the Father privately & earnestly' - this is not just a recitation like the Lord's Prayer.

So too at the Garden of Gethsemane, the disciples knew that their Lord's time was at hand, & they should have been alert & watchful rather than asleep while Jesus prayed to the Father. It is just like when someone we love is going through a bad patch in their lives, the only two things that we can immediately resort to on their behalf, is to minister to them & be in serious prayer for them. The Lord's Prayer is not applicable for this, but earnest prayer from our heart. This is the correct response in such a situation. Yet, the disciples succumbed to boredom & tiredness while their Master agonized.

in mathew 6 jesus tells us how we should be praying why then elsewhere in one of the gospels does he ask the desiciples to pray with him in the garden of gethsemane? does that not conflict with what he says in Matt. 6?

That is true, Lillian, we live in an age where the younger ones pay little regard to the knowledge shared by their elders. I suppose the divide is made even more noticeable as we are taught to think & act independently, we spend more time away from home & the outside influences that bear upon us, particularly adolescents, cause us to function more as individuals rather than a cohesive family unit. Even in Eastern cultures where once upon a time, this divide was not there, is now evident as the world generally moves away from strong family structure/bonding & accountability, towards independence from any authoritarian rule. And this of course, then converts to our attitude towards spiritual things, where there may now be no necessity for a belief in God, as many believe that 'god is within us' or, 'we are our own god'. Tragic!

I thank God for this teaching on how the older should teach the younger. But i find in this day and age that the younger do not want to hear much from the older. Or the older is afraid to minister to the younger. I believe that we should pray for wisdom in how to make our approach.

Let us pray that the Holy Ghost gives us wisdom to address the issue of women preachers and keeping silent. God himself set the relationship model in Gen 3:16 when unto the woman he said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." When would you then think that He would then allow women to preach to men? When Jesus chose the 12 Apostles, how many were women? Timothy, when laying out the structure of the Church was quite clear in the leadership roles. 3:1 - This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop. Likewise, in 3:12 " Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife". Timothy then expounds on these concepts by describing the personality characteristics of men and women in which he clearly identifies the role of each. Finally, Timothy writes in 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?). Paul, in 1 Corinthians 12 talks about the diversity of gifts. He specifically mentions men. He concludes in 12:28 that God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. No where does Paul mention women. He does mention women in Titus 2:3/4 - The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children.

Larry B Jesus was, is and always shall be God, who came in the flesh to redeem mankind from sin and death.

1 Timothy 3:16

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." King James Version (KJV)

God never changes. Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jesus never changes. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

God is the only Saviour. "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11

To the only wise God our Saviour... Jude 1:12

God our Saviour. Titus 2:10

...we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour. I Timothy 4:10

God my Saviour. Luke 1:47

Jesus is the only Saviour. ...the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14

...our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 3:18

...God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1

...the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42

...the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus 1:4

a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11

Neither is there salvation in any other (than Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

-- Acts 4:12

...salvation... is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

-- 2 Timothy 2:10

I Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (13) For Adam was first formed, then Eve. (14) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (15) Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

12 Apostles , 70 were sent out to preach, all men chosen by Jesus. Titus 2:4-5

God is laying it out plain and simple..It is our choice weather to obey Gods Covenant/Laws or not, here is the up side if you do, you will be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people.
Titus 2:14
1 Peter 2:9

Unfortunately, very true. For the past 2000 years Christianity has been under attack - Jesus said such would be the case and that we would experience troubles and persecutions. As long as we are in this world the same will continue.

Indeed Christianity has been under attack. Very strangely, the same ideology that attacks Christians seems ok with other religions. What is bad is good for them, and good is now bad. This mentality is mentioned in Titus 1:16, Romans 1:28.

Ch 2 v12 is exactly what needs to preached in our churches , schools and at home today. especially now with the way democratic congress/senators are trying to turn this country into a hell hole.

As it always is, the Bible (The KJV of course...only Bible based on the correct Hebrew and Greek Manuscripts...not the corrupt one of Westcott and Hort!) I've heard it sung and preached "God said it, and I believe it, and that's good enough for me"....But in truth it should be, "God said it, and that's good enough for me" We add nothing to God or take away anything from God, or His Holy Word, whether we believe it or not. It is still TRUTH!

Caroline Ward - Sounds right to me and the word teaches it. I Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

RM -- There are were 12 apostles Paul all men, there were 70 Luke 10"17 sent out to preach and heal all men. I have not found in the KJV bible where women were sent out but told to be keepers at home. Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. 1Timothy 5:14

wow, Matthew Henry goes deep: And the further we are removed from boasting of fancied good works, or trusting in them, so that we glory in Christ alone, the more zealous shall we be to abound in real good works.

Brianna, please read and ponder on these KJV Bible scriptures, and know that our Lord Jesus Christ was Almighty God. Titus 2:13 Acts 20 28 Revelation 1:5-6 Revelation 5:8-9 Revelation 22:13 Revelation 22:16 Revelation 2:8 Revelation 1:17-18 Isaiah 9:6 Isaiah 43:10-11 Isaiah 44:6 Isaiah 44:24 2 Peter 1:1 John 1:3 Colossians 1:16 Colossians 2:9 John 1:1-3 John 5:17-18 John 8:24.

I believe it is God speaking through the Apostle Paul to encourage all Christian to look to him, and to understand that even in this dark era of unbelief in this present world we can and must live holy, we must let the light of God s love shine through our life s in the power of the Holy Spirit to show forth the Love and compassion of the Father so more souls might be added to the kingdom.

hello! i hear that, although i am female, i must agree that many "christian women" have grown up the feminist influenced society and have not been taught to regard their husbands let alone submit. They usually will have marital problems and become divorced which makes the church's divorce rate the same as the world's. Sad.

Titus2.encourage elderly women to teach the young women to love their husbands and children. We all have a duty to love and teach others how to love.

praise god

Under the references Seventh-day Adventist could you please add.
Genesis 7:2
Titus 2:11
1 Peter 3:1-4
John 2:6
3 John 1:2-3
Romans 12:1-2
Phil. 2:4
1 Timothy 2:9
2 Cor. 6:14-17
2 Cor. 10:5

This is what's commonly known as The Rapture or scripturely "The Blessed Hope" of Titus 2:13 Lets Believers in Jesus Christ know what happens at "The Rapture" while I Corin.15:49-58 lets us know how this happens, same event Amen? AMEN!

WE MUST ALL REMEMBER THE EARTH IS RUN BY SATAN....WE HAVE GOD AND JESUS TO TURN TO, OUR FAITH AND OUR HOPE COME FROM THE GRACE WE ARE GIVEN FROM JESUS. EVERY DAY I SEE THE DEVIL REACHING OUT TO OUR CHILDREN...GOD GAVE US THESE CHILDREN, WE MUST TEACH THEM ABOUT CHRIST, GOD, GRACE, FAITH AND THEIR SALVATION DEPENDS ON GOD WORKING THROUGH US..LISTEN, FEEL,HE SURROUNDS US IF WE ASK.

--- Teach The Young Woman to be Sober, to Love Their Husbands, to Love Their Children, to be Discreet, Chaste, Keepers at Home, Good, Obedient to Their Own Husbands( Titus 2:4-5) There is a Way which Seemeth Right Unto a man but The End Thereof are The Ways of Death( Proverbs 14:12)There are Many man Preaching that Do Not Qualify. Wide is The Road that Leads to Destruction( Matthew 7:13)

Verse 13~Focusing on the blessed hope or happy hope that we have for the future can helps us to be happy now.