Bible Discussion Thread

Emanuel. I also search and dig in. There are over 52 scriptures in the Bible that proof without the shadow of a doubt that a true believer can loose their salvation. The problem is not that God will take it away, but that we can walk away because we have choice. Warnings like, endure to the end, if you continue, if you faint not. You cannot continue something you never started. There are many more

Salvation is a gift of God. God's gifts are irrevocable. OSAS

According to Matthew 12:31-32 if a Christian chooses to blaspheme the holy spirit they absolutely will not be forgiven. Even angels already in heaven still had the freewill to rebel against God. Humans on Earth including Christians absolutely still have freewill and sadly do turn and denounce Jesus and commit blasphemy. The Bible is crystal clear those Christians will not be saved. Matthew 7:21.

Born again Christians, in whom dwells the holy spirit, are incapable of blasphemy of the spirit. Additionally, Christ's reference to those who "he never knew" is not in reference to those who have truly believed and are saved. Once you are saved, that salvation is sealed. Satan cannot overcome that. Modern day cults who claim to be Christians should take heed-not truly born again Christians. OSAS

Hi Richard, do you have a Bible verse that backs up the idea that a Christian is incapable of blasphemy or incapable of sin? Do you not believe Christians have freewill to sin like non-Christians? Even angels in heaven still had freewill to rebel from God and be cast out of heaven, so why not believe a Christian on earth has the same freewill? If Christians can't commit blasphemy then why were Christians told in the Bible not to? If Christians can't disobey then why are they told to keep commandments? John 14:15

Hi Adam, Of course Christians sin and disobey, I was speaking of salvation--not sin or disobedience. Are you suggesting that the Holy Spirit is weaker in a Christian than Satan's power? Born again Christians are bought with a price and belong to Christ. Are WE capable of forcing him to disown us? The gift of salvation is irrevocable, as are all God's gifts. Romans 11:29 OSAS

The hope of eternal life through Jesus's gift of salvation isn't revokable, but this verse doesn't mean it's individually permanent regardless of one's actions. Are you aware of other supporting verses supporting this belief? There's a mountain of verses supporting that Christians have freewill and need to follow Jesus. If you turn from Jesus and commit blasphemy a Christian risks going to hell- black and white in the Bible. Since Satan is the father of lies and since there is only 1 truth, which belief is satan more like spreading: that Christians should follow Jesus and be obedient for hope of eternal life - or - that Christians don't have to obey or follow Jesus whatsoever and can indulge in the sin of this world with zero consequences and still go to heaven? MATTHEW 10:28

How can some Comments be longer Adam like this one of yours when we only have 400 Characters? is there a way to extend them?

That is the false doctrine of Lordship Salvation. Saved by grace through faith WHAT? Is your sin greater than Jesus' ability to keep you? You cannot save yourself but yet you can keep yourself ? We are sealed until the day of our redemption. Ephesians Christians who sin all of us will be chastised but will NOT lose our salvation. Nor do we purposely sin as OSAS opponents always purport.STUDY

So this entire OSAS belief stands on misinterpreting that one verse while disregarding the numerous other Bible verses? You incorrectly assumed my beliefs on grace BTW. In your view if Christians are saved regardless why do you believe Jesus said to keep his commandments? What is your exact reason for being obedient if there's no incentive to do so and zero consequence for not? James 2:26 Have you prayed and asked God if your view is true? 2 Peter 2 says what happens to disobedient people including Christians who turn away (verse 21).

If you choose to live in constant fear of losing your salvation every time you sin and struggle to "keep" yourself, I think you missed the point of resting in Christ. Paul said he did what he shouldn't do and did not do what he should do. According to your theology, Paul was not saved. In Christian love, I recommend you study more and use solid Christian resources. Green, Magee, Fruchtenbaum etc.

You can have confidence in salvation, follow Jesus and be obedient at the same time. It's a false assumption to assume that just because the Bible is true about losing your salvation in Hebrews 10:26 that a Christ follow must live in fear? No, if you're following Christ in obedience you have freedom. Matthew 10:28, John 14:15, Matthew 12:31-32, Matthew 7:21. I believe what the Bible says. Hitler would go to heaven according to your once saved always saved belief.