Bible Discussion Thread

It takes what the younger son endured to seek mercy from God. And, God is One, not three, as Christians seem to think. Jesus represents the end of our faith, once we recognize the Truth, last the body is mortal, obviously, but the Spirit is everlasting, and the gift, which the other son took for granted, is given to those who read and understand the Word, the truth and live their lives according

Do you think Jesus was deceitful, pretending to pray to his FATHER? Matthew 26:42

He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

There are plenty scriptures to argue but most of us prefer not debate.

DWL. Is there something in that verse that causes you to believe that Jesus may have been deceitful in His prayer to the Father? I've read that passage many times over & fail to see where the deception or pretence lies. Maybe, the different content in each prayer, or maybe, Him praying the same prayer twice? I can't see it.

Chris - I know Jesus isn't deceitful, I asked if you believe Jesus is deceitful, he was praying to his Father (not himself-Jesus isn't God he is Gods only begotten Son) Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as (I) will, but as (thou) wilt.

DWL, my apologies, I understood your question differently: a weakness in written expression. No, I don't believe that Jesus was deceitful in any way, shape or form. The fact that he He is God's Son & wanted to express Himself to the Father, particularly in these agonizing hours prior to His crucifixion, only serves to show His agony as a Man & One Who looked to His Father for comfort. Jesus is God come to us in the flesh & this is where you may be seeing and/or raising the conflict. So, would this be the focus of your enquiry: why does Jesus as God in the flesh, pray to (a) God in Heaven? Or, why should He pray at all, if He were God? Sorry, I can't appreciate the gist of your enquiry.

DWL You write Jesus was not God? I suggest you read 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God (GOD) was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. GOD WITH US.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. This is why we use the king James

If you do not understand the differences between Father, Son and Holy Spirit I suggest a study on the Godhead.

Man was made in the image of God and man has a Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts that make 1 man.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Not the easier concept to grasp.

I don't believe so. 1 Peter 2:22, says, "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:" The word guile in the Greek text is the word Dolos, which means deceit. Jesus could never sin, nor could He ever be deceitful.

I do not know how my post ended up reading something other than what I typed. What I remember posting was that I don't believe that Jesus was being deceitful. If you cut out the entire Song of Solomon part, add in what I just said here, and begin at 1 Peter 2:22 to the end, that is what I remember typing. I'm not sure how that ended up there?