Bible Discussion Thread

The concept of a pre-tribulation rapture is a false doctrine authored be Satan and disseminated by his messenger, John Darby, in the early 1800's. Satan's purpose with this deception, is to weaken people's faith and resolve, when they realize the tribulation has started and they're still here. The lie has been perpetuated because it's easy to fill seats and collect money by providing false comfort

Indeed there will be a rapture. This was revealed to me by Yahweh himself. If you are certain in your mind that here is no rapture than you are believing a lie, like millions of others who are being taught lies by our religious leaders though inadvertently . It's a great deception designed to induce ungodly religious fear and oppression. God is able to sanctify his people in preparation.

You are exactly right my brother

2 Thess is probably not talking about the 'rapture', but Rev 4 is. At the rapture Christ returns FOR the saints. Acts 1:11 At the second coming Christ returns WITH the saints. Rev 19. The Tribulation pertains to Israel Daniel's people , not the church. Dan 10:14 Dan 9:24. 69 wks of years are fulfilled. Only 1 wk of years remain. all 70 wks pertain to Israel - non to the church.

Those 70 weeks were all done a long time ago. 69 weeks were 463 years after the Israelites were permitted to rebuild the wall. The other 7 yrs were pertaining Christ's ministry 3.5 years to His death and the other 3.5 years when the apostles preached, Daniel 9:24-27 especially verse 27 speaks of Christ's death by ending of sacrifices. The death of Stephen marked the end of the 490 years when the apostles fled to spread the word to the rest of the world, Acts 8:1.

The apostles did not go to the whole world and preach. Only Paul preached to the gentiles. He is the apostle to the gentiles. The Jews didn't want anything to do with the gentiles. So your answer is very wrong. The tribulation is the 70th week of Danial. No mistaking it

First, the apostles preached to the gentiles, one was Philip with the Ethiopian Eunuch and he did baptise him, Acts 8:26-40. Second Peter to the centurion named Cornelius and his family and baptised them. Peter had the vision with the unclean foods and that represented the gentiles, Acts 10:1-11:18 and also Acts 15:7. The disciples held a meeting in regards to how gentile converts were to live their lives after conversion because of the Judaizers read the whole of Acts 15 and you will see this and stress on verse 23 where the letter reads to be from the apostles to the gentiles. Also read about the Rabbinic Curse. Christ sent His disciples to the world to preach and baptise, Matt 28:18-20.

That is what Jesus told them to do. But other then those 2 or 3 examples of going to the gentiles, the disciples stayed within the nation of Israel still preaching the gospel of the Kingdom to the Jewish people. The few that did go around to where Paul was in gentile nations, they went in their and was telling Paul's converts that they had to follow the law still.

The disciples were still preaching the gospel of the Kingdom. And Paul was preaching the gospel of Grace. 2 different gospels in time. Cause up until Christ came and died on the cross for all of us, it was the gospel of the Kingdom. But after His resurrection, it was the gospel of Grace.

If you read Acts 15, the disciples actually simplified the requirements of the Gentile converts. Paul himself upheld the Law of God, the 10 commandments. The decalogue was and will never change, they were written by God himself and He never changes. Without Law there is no sin. Without sin Christ died in vain

Christ preached the gospel of Grace. Even though I am a sinner, through Christ's death I am declared righteous. The death of a lamb signified the death of Christ, Col 2:16,17. And that is why when Christ died, being the ultimate sacrifice, there was no need of another. Mosaic laws dictated that if you sin a lamb had to be sacrificed and this is what Christ nailed on the cross Col 2:14

Eric,

Well-spoken concerning LAW of God NOT being abolished!

Specific ordinances from the Law were fulfilled and no longer needed, not the entire Law (Hebrews ch. 9, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14).

It was only certain ordinances that were taken out of the way ( 1 Corinthians 11:2).

The Law of BLOOD SACRIFICE (circumcision, Passover lamb, goat of atonement, etc.) has been taken out of the way, and the right to worship in the Temple in Jerusalem has been replaced by we who make up the body of Christ. We are His Temple.

I don't understand how people say that the Law is no longer needed.

We are all under the 10 Commandments.

Everyone that sins needs the Lawthat's everybody, every day.

Acts ch. 15 did simplify the requirements for the Gentiles. BUT, that was for NEW Gentile converts and was the BASICS of what they were to follow. The more they understood, the more they could handle.

Acts 15:19-20 "WE TROUBLE NOT THEM, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

The basics, until they come up to speed.

Everybody that uses Colossians 2:16-17 as their belief that the Law is abolished should understand that this also concerned those that were newly converted GENTILES.

That is why Paul says "Let no man therefore judge you"

We are not the judge.

Galations 5: 1. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

The yoke of bondage is the law. Christ fulfilled the law to save all of mankind. You and I cannot keep the law. It says that in all of scripture. If you think you are getting into Heaven cause of how greatly you keep the law, then it isn't the same Heaven that Jesus talks about. How awful it would be if we had to be in a heaven that was full of people who bragged all day on how good they were on earth and that is how they are in Heaven. It is the complete opposite. No one will be able to boast about how good they were down here.

Kags

The fact is that I righteous by keeping the law, but through believing that Christ died in my place so that I may live. But being forgiven does not mean you continue in sin. The Decalogue shows the character of God which is Love Deut 6:5, Leviticus 19:18. And John 14:15, 15:14 shows this more clearly. Christ called us into obedience as He did the Israelites, He delivered them from bondage and then gave them His Commandments Exodus 20:1,2. If I claimed to be saved and love God, yet I fornicate, kill, tell lies, steal, disobedient to parents etc, would this bring praise and followers for Christ? Read James 2, 1 John 2:1-6, 1 Cor 6:9-10, 2 Peter 3:16, Romans 13:8-10, 6:23 and you will see.

(Saul) who was called Paul by Jesus; was a chosen vessel to preach TO THE GENTILES. That was his turf, although he did travel to meet with Peter.

Acts 9:15. (Red letters)

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

If you will Google the Apostles ministry paths and where they met their deaths; they did quite a lot of traveling.

Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Maps of his ministry travels are awesome considering no public transportation.

I'm an old street minister. GO YE means much more than you've imagined.

"Into all the world" can mean any continent or country. Or it can mean: your neighborhood, your city, your state. It can happen anywhere.

Make it a rule to stand on Public Right Of Way (public sidewalks; not business sidewalks)

Let us study and not use "probable, probably, maybe, etc." Anything pertaining to GOD has an answer, we must study The Word in order to give answers to people when it comes to GOD. GOD deals in truth and not probables, these are souls we are working to lead to Salvation. Our mission is to draw all men unto thee through The Gospels of Jesus Christ.