Bible Discussion Thread

The Angel that wrestled with Jacob was the Second in the Trinity. The one who would become God in the flesh. Jesus.

Smitty, the Scripture is unclear who this 'man' was, who wrestled with Jacob. You will need to make your own judgement as you pray for clarity. What we do know, it wasn't just a man, as he renamed Jacob to Israel = "as a prince hast thou power with God & with men, & hast prevailed". And this man refused to give Jacob his name, as well. And Jacob called that area, Peniel = "I have seen God face to face & my life is preserved". So if it was an Angel of the LORD, it could have been Michael. If it was God's Word, then we have another view of the pre-incarnate Christ (a Christophany). See these other references of such manifestations: Gen 18:1 ff; Gen 19:1; Dan 3:19-26. So, many believe that Jesus, the Word of God, was manifested in these pre-incarnate appearances, or it might have been an Angel of the LORD. Whoever it was, the Words spoken were from God & the Work done was an act of God. However, I do believe in the Trinity, i.e. Col 2:9, Godhead = 3 persons that shows God's Fulness.

Sorry to pop you theological bubble. There is not a trinity. HERE OH ISREAL THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. GOD creator became flesh, the flesh was, given a name above every name, JESUS, was crucified rose again, assessed into heaven and sent HIS SPIRIT back for us to receive on the day of Pentecost. And they were gathered together tarrying and HIS SPIRIT (GOD HIMSELF) fell and they spoke in tongues they did not know, but individuals heard their tongue being spoken. Peter stood up and used the keys given him in the 38th verse of the 2 chapter of the book of Acts. This was GOD giving man POWER OF HIS SPIRIT. HIS HOLY SPIRIT. There is only ONE GOD, not three persons , for in JESUS DWELLETH THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY. SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES AND PRAY.

SHARRON: your take on the Godhead is total error. You base what you think on the day of Pentecost.

I'm not going to belabor with this. In Genesis 1:26 God said LET US. He said it in Genesis 11:7..LET US, and again in Genesis 3:22. That was the Father, the Word (Jesus before incarnation) and God the Holy Spirit. They were talking together. Again, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit (who is the Spirit of Christ). The Trinity or, the Triune Godhead. Same thing. Long ago someone said to me, The Father willed it, the Son spoke it and the Holy Spirit performed it.

God created

God moved

God said

God saw

God divided

God made

God set them

God blessed

God formed

God planted

God to grow

God took the man

God commanded

God caused

God Walking in the garden

God clothed them

God sent

God drove out

God is involved in every facet of our lives. Adam & Eve did wrong; in his mercy God made them clothing! It's not about tongues. It's about the GOSPEL of Jesus.

Only ONE GOD, the great I AM . Tongues is the evidence of the born again experience Jesus stated was necessary. GOD is a Spirit and he took on the form of man to die for our sins and give humanity to access of having HIS SPIRIT inside us. Man created the words Trinity. Jews became ver upset when JESUS SAID " Before Abraham was I AM". Also when asked show us the father, HE SAID " If you have seen me you have seen the Father. I could go on and on but the fact that the HOLY GHOST EXPERIENCE IS FOR ALL. It is happening daily as souls cry out to HIM. Take care.

There is only one God. However, God is a Triune God, i.e. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All three make up one God, and all three are God. It's sort of like water can have three forms, solid (Ice), liquid (water), and Gas (Vapor). Also, where did Jesus say that tongues is the evidence of the born again experience, and where did He say it was necessary?

That is why we have freedom of religion in this country. You have every right to your interpretation to the scriptures.

However, my bubble remains intact. My faith is mine and is not subject to your interpretation. I have no desire to sway your opinion. You on the other hand seem unable to keep from forcing you own on others.

The Jewish people believe in only ONE GOD. Find out who changed the belief in one GOD and after the church was established on the day of Pentecost, who changed the way to be baptized? One is immersed, buried with HIM in baptism in the name of JESUS. JESUS SAID to baptize in the NAME (singular) of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost. Not only that those are not names only titles. What is the name given to men where by we must be saved? Who changed scripture to create their global church as they were conquering nations. JESUS STATED " Search the scriptures for in them ye think he have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me". I am come in my Father's name and ye receive me not. That name was JESUS, (Alpha and Omega, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, EMANUEL. ALMIGHTY GOD ROBED HIMSELF IN FLESH, that Flesh was crucified but GOD RAISED THAT FLESH, ( not a second person in the godhead) for in HIM, JESUS dwells ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY. SEARCH

Sharon may I suggest that you go to Jewish sites and see exactly what most who claim to be Jews really believe.

The great majority follow a book called the Talmud, which means LEARNING. The exact name is the BABYLONIAN TALMUD which means Babylonian learning. it is the opinions of Rabbis which Jesus condemned as their traditions. These Jews called it the oral traditions of the elders.

Mark 7:9 And he (Jesus) said unto them, Full well ye (Jews) reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Chabad Lubavitch Jews follow Kabbalah, which they call the soul of Judaism, which is about mystical things. These are the ones with the black suits and hats and they wear red strings around their wrists to ward of evil spirits.

I have read their writings in their libraries, not just off something on the internet. They blaspheme Jesus.

The Bible ALONE teaches man has a body and a soul and a spirit = 3 parts = 1 man

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

1 Thess 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Paul says spirit and soul and body)

Isaiah 10:18 - And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. (Body and Soul different)

Isaiah 26:9 - With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within...

So IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts and God made man in HIS IMAGE

How many parts is God? 3?

Thank you Bob. I just want to clarify that my previous reply was to Sharron who replied to my original comment. I have no wish to affect anyone. I merely posted my opinion as to who Jacob (Israel) wrestled with. Then I was attacked by Sharron because of MY belief. This is why we have so much trouble in this world today. She is entitled to her opinion and it's not necessary for her to defend it. It is hers and hers alone. If she is to change her opinion she will have to do it on her own by reading the scriptures and praying that the truth be revealed to her. There is no need for you to defend me nor defend the position of the Trinity. It speaks for itself. I will no longer make comments as this only causes discourse rather than thoughtful discussion.