Bible Discussion Thread

3:13 Elijah and Enoch went to heaven without experiencing death, by God's power not their own, no man can ascend to heaven, they can be taken. I had trouble with this for some time, as nonbelievers said this was a contraction. Always pray for understanding when reading scripture. Enoch was with God and was gone, Elijah went out on a chariot of fire, both taken by God, not ascended by means or powers of man. Jesus, however, ascended under His own divine power.

John 3:13 if you read that no man has gone up into heaven, they both are went up but not into heaven, they are in the arch of the clouds, still till this day, it's a get study search hebrew as well

It says no man ascended. I can goto walmart however i can not ascend to walmart. I do not have divine power. Man went to the moon. On a space ship. They didnt ascend to the moon.

I should have said not into the heaven where God sits, the son is the only one who has ascended to the Father, there are three levels, an since both have not died yet as I made my statement in the comment section, they may be the 2 that come back to lead the way of the Lord which isn't to far off. Peace to you God Bless