Bible Discussion Thread

God said(through the speaker) right here: " He, Jesus Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" What is confusing about that? Listen to John chapter 1 again. "In the beginning was the Word Jesus , and the Word Jesus was with God, and the Word Jesus was God." - John 1:1
If we think something in God's words contradicts something else He has said, it's always WE who are wrong.

My 3rd Response, Joshua. In Isaiah 53 Jesus is called, "The Eternal Father, The Mighty God." Again, JW focus on "Mighty" as not equal to Almighty, making Jesus inferior. They won't deal with "Eternal Father". They don't know what to do with it. But Jesus is the Eternal Father, John 14:7-9:

"If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us." Jesus replied, "Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"

Jesus is Human and Devine. Not angelic.

I appreciate your well thought out reply Carlos. Your conclusion made me think this of this verse: 1 John 5:7 'For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.' It seems to me that you didn't need any theology to reach your conclusion. The answers were in God's Word, as they always are!

Following on my 1st response, Joshua. The JW also point out that Christ is a "a Son", John 3:16, 1 John 4:10. They see Him as a created being Hebrews 2:17. But they miss the point. Philippians 2:9 says Jesus was exalted, elevated to a higher position, promoted. But do these all miss the meaning of what is said? Is there a difference between Jesus the Son of Man, and Christ the Eternal Preexisting God, Creator of all things, Colossians 1:16.

It is that distinction that many fail to see. The Coptic Manuscript should not be taken on its own. It might be the oldest, but that doesn't mean it is correct. Taken in context is is clear the import is The Word IS God, 2 Peter 1:3. He is Devine.

This is a good discussion topic, Joshua. The Jehova's Witnesses use the oldest translation, which is from a piece of a Coptic Manuscript that says in John 1 that "the Word is A God". They also believe the reference in Colossians 1:15 that Christ is "the firstborn of all creation", means Christ was created by God, just like the Angels.

There are statements in the Bible that cast doubt on the Deity of Christ as existing always as God. That is why a study of Systematic Theology is so important for our understanding of Scripture. Peter said that what Paul says is Scripture. But some people misunderstand it, 2 Peter 3:16. Proverbs 8 says, "He was the first of creation". So which is it?