Bible Discussion Thread

Troy, you are correct that the AV, as others, are just translations; they will never fully meet the interpretation, cultural, & societal aspects that are involved in original languages. The AV is the best we can have to read God's Word without learning Heb. & Gk. along with understanding the culture behind them. Your proficiency in Hebrew & Greek is to your credit & benefit & for our learning from such scholars. But to hold such disdain against the AV is a little harsh, I feel. Ps 89:47: for the literal translation in English reads: "Remind me how short life is, what (in futility) have You created all the sons of men". The word, , futility (vain) is what you show as nothingness.

I went to Bible college 6 years with a masters and never really learned Greek or Hebrew. Yet what books do we use to learn these languages The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (10 Volume Set) by Gerhard Kittel is an absolute standard in seminaries. Kittel was an early member of the Nazi party a supporter of Hitler.

Before we start using these lexicons to understand what words mean, maybe we should find out what these authors believe. Do we want to learn Greek from a Nazi or a believer like Martin Luther flawed as he might be

the brown driver briggs Lexicon has Briggs who taught Messianic prediction has not and cannot be fulfilled aka

Jesus is not the Christ in other words

Bob, you've taken this to the next level. I agree with what you say, but for the 'average' believer, desire or opportunity precludes us from delving too deep into the backgrounds of these authors. Finding one that remains consistently true to the Word should be one for our consistent use. There is also a move by some to move away from post Nicene teachings to the fathers of the ante Nicene era. Of course, new teachings arise, particularly with Eschatology, but as has been claimed them, the Fathers were more faithful to Scriptural meaning and apostolic teaching (on this subject particularly). Did this aspect come up in your Bible College education & how did you receive it

Greetings Chris, I understand what you write. Thing is a new believer listens to those trained by ungodly men who claim the King James is wrong and Greek or Hebrew really says this or that. My Bible college taught us the King James was right and laid a fair foundation. But others showed me the evil men and their dark associations to discredit the King James Bible. I hardly believed it at first. I learned research (before the internet) in secular college and traced down some of the accusations against these evil men and found them to be true. these will con us to believe the virgin birth was not real, John was just exaggerating the miracles of Christ and on and on. These do not build faith.

Thanks Bob,your comments are appreciated & well received. It is good to read that you are so firmly grounded & know that the KJV is based solidly on the trustworthy Textus Receptus. Yet for those who differ, I do not judge, but see an opportunity to discuss by text/original comparisons to bring us to Light & knowing our LORD's Mind. One of my pet discussions with our JW visitors, is Colossians 1:15: "Who (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature". The Gk. here is 'prototokos=first + to give birth to. JWs use (via a bad text. translation), 'protokitises'=first + created, which is not a biblical word. Similar, but a small change can bring on such a big error.