Bible Discussion Thread

Michael is an Arch Angel, Chief Angel, Prince, or Messenger of God. He could not be Jesus the Christ. The book of Hebrews clearly explains the Deity of Christ and gives the reasons why Michael and Jesus are Not the same. Read the beginning Chapters of Hebrew. This will clear up any confusion. The Lord Jesus and God our Heavenly Father are not about confusion. We must read and search the entire Bible to be sure and to show ourselves approved.

And The Trinity is not confusing?

It depends. Where does that originate from? In Genesis the first book of the Bible it reads: 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 15:26 But when the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceeded from the Father, he shall testify of me. Is this the Trinity you are referring to? The only (trinity) I can find in Gods written word.

The confusion? .......and the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS God. Please explain.

Ok. I see where you could be confused here. When I come to understand these pages in the Holy Scriptures (66 books combined written by 40 different holy men of God) I did not get at first either. Through much prayer and receiving Jesus in to my heart as the Holy Spirit moved, I was shown these understandings. God Father, Jesus (Son) and the Comforter or Holy Spirit are actually 3 persons who were together in the beginning as the scripture says. That is why God the Father says let us make them (man and women) in our image. The Son as who is Jesus in John 1:14 And the Word or Jesus was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth. Some things will be shown to you as you grow and trust in the Lord with all your heart. It's a growing and learning experience. I have done many Bible studies over 45 years of my life. God is faithful to keep his promises. He asks us to study and search his words as you are doing. Some will always be learning and not receive the knowledge. We have to have faith to know the things of God. He will guide as he searches the heart of a man. I enjoy reading Corinthians 1 and 2 books. These books were an eye opener for me. Through the Holy Spirit the Lord can talk directly to you in visions and dreams just as he did before. That is real. It happens more than people know. This is a faith builder and it will strengthen you for what is coming in the future events. I personally love reading Daniel and Revelation. These books are another realm in itself. I hope this helps you Paul. May God continue to impress these truths upon your heart and may God bless you.

Thank you for the reply! Your answer, in part, is that there were three persons in the beginning. Please, what do you mean by 'beginning'?

The first thing God did was create TIME. He is the Alpha and the Omega: the beginning and the End. Original language here says 'In Beginning'. Not: In The Beginning

God exists inside and outside of time. He sees everything.

Thank you. Is time relevant to matter?

I believe time is relevant to matter. God created on a time table. He calls humans very good. Probably before we start our sinning. Jesus is like the Great sin eraser. I think repentance is the motion to erase sin. This is not written in the Bible...I didn't get to put my book in there.

Paul, time & matter are connected, but only if you bring in space & energy into the equation also. Through a series of hypotheses, one can prove this relationship where motion in space must also be a factor. But if you're not interested in the physical laws or hypotheses in your question, but more concerned with the aspect of time in God's eternal framework, then matter only exists in His Creation, & time as a result of His Creation. Without His Creative Work, neither matter nor time can exist: just emptiness. God is not matter, but is Spirit. As such, He is not subject to nor constrained by physical laws. All our demonstrable physical laws are a part of & result of God's Great Design, so physics is simply an examination of those laws, but faith gives understanding & acceptance of God's Wisdom in the design of His creation & the laws which prove it.

Thank you, Chris. You claim that God is not matter. Is God energy?

Paul, I'm unsure where you want to take this line of enquiry, but to attempt an answer: as mentioned, God is Spirit, but He is also the Creator of all things, including natural & physical laws. Re: is God Energy? If by this you mean that He expends energy in His Being or in His Activity, then as a mere human with limitations in understanding & revelation, I would say, No.

In man's understanding, Energy can be divided into fourteen types, or more, which includes mechanical, electrical, magnetic, gravitational, nuclear, thermal, sound wave to name a few. If we try to fit God's Being into any of these types, we will always fail, as God is God & is not subject to any limitations or production of energy. One could argue that since He is Light or that when He speaks or moves, then surely energy must be evident & expended. The error here is that all energy that is produced, is dependent on either mass or existence of matter/particles that lead to energy's production. And God does not fulfil any of these requirements, simply because He is Spirit, the Invisible God (to our eyes), & not subject to the laws that are a part of His Creation & to which we mere earthlings are subject to.

To PAUL: Yes. Genesis 1:1 explains what all scientists are trying to explain or discover:

Time. Force. Action. Matter.

It's already discovered that the universe is moving away from earth.

I believe as described in Ezekiel 28 and Genesis, that something huge hit the earth. The earth was void; dark. Lucifer (before he was named satan) was the Big Bang (my guess). No one has been able to determine how long Lucifer and the 1/3 of the evil angels who were thrown to earth were in the void; creating pre-adamic people's, dinosaurs; all we have about it, is bones, How long? Time had not been set in motion YET.

Time was created for man, otherwise we'd live forever. Next God created Light. Jesus said that He is the Light of the world. In beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. God the Father, Jesus the Son & the Holy Spirit ARE the LET US in verse 26.

I think there would be much knowledge put together rightly if scientists (some of them) would accept that Creation makes more sense, than evolution with no God it. Early scientists were Christian, fascinated with what they were discovering about earth. Even I can see why satan was upset with God receiving the credit. He lost his deed to planet earth at the Cross of Jesus; the Son of God. All Satan is now is a destroyer of the life that comes from God. He tried to get permission to kill Job, but God would not permit! He thought he had killed Jesus, but Jesus was resurrected and that was recorded by many witnesses alive then. Thanks to the Pharisees that had Roman guards posted by Jesus's tomb till Sunday. Jesus's tomb is on display every day..empty!

The Book of Revelation is Truth and a final Battle will be fought between Jesus and Satan. It's all going to happen as written.

I ask all unbelieving scientists WHY wouldn't you want to live eternally in New Jerusalem, and see, study...what happens NEXT?! Why wouldn't you want to meet the CREATOR of everything? He'd love to meet you :)