Bible Discussion Thread

They were rightfully reveling in their sexuality and their love which contradicts today's church teaching on sex where they tell kids in general and little girls in particular that sex is: "bad, dirty and wrong and that good girls don't do it". They never teach all the sex positive messages from the Bible. They also violate the scriptural command not to add to the Word or take away from it. The churches lie and tell us that you have to wait to get married to have sex. Not true.

You were permitted to have sex before marriage but the man had to endow the woman to be his wife. So it was not sin as long as they got married at some future point afterwards

And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. Exodus 22:16

The churches also change God's plan for marriage. In the OT kids became adults at 13 and got married at 14-15 when their hormones were raging. Now the churches and parents tell kids to got to college and get a degree then a good job and wait to have sex until then when you are married which totally is against God's plan for marriage

1 Corinthians 7:9-But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

Bible Definition for burn: pyro-to be inflamed with sexual desire,

Hebrews 13:4-Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Bible definition amiantos: undefiled-not defiled, unsoiled, pure, free from that by which the nature of a thing is deformed and debased, or its force and vigour impaired

Bible definition of pure: katharos- pure clean.

God considers marriage sex clean. Anything outside of that is unclean.

1Th 4:7- For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Hi John,

>"The churches also change God's plan for marriage."

What do you mean by 'churches' change God's plan for marriage? How? Which churches? Ones you attend or do you assume all are a certain way because of some you visited or a few people within the church you spoke to? Aren't the people who attend church just reading what the Bible says? In the decades I've attended churches- hundreds of them, not once have I seen anyone 'change' God's plan for marriage.

In your previous comment you claimed that premarital sex is not sinful which is not what the Bible says, and now you're claiming to know God's plan for marriage? How do we know what you're saying isn't the devil's plan? And why assume that a cultural difference in popular marital age is God's plan? Paul said to stay single if you can and that's in the Bible, so I don't know how you assume God thinks everyone must get married by a certain age or that its ok to sin. If you put your hope and trust in God and learn about Him from the Bible and consider that an authority then what are your Bible references to back up this claim?

>"So it was not sin as long as they got married at some future point afterwards"

Hello, I'm not sure who told you that, but that doesn't come from God and isn't Biblical or true. The father of lies (satan) loves distorting the minds of Christians and encouraging them to spread falsehoods to others. Even though Christians are saved by grace sin is a big deal and should be avoided at nearly all costs. John 14:15, Matthew 5:29-30. Matthew 7:16-27, Matthew 7:26-27, Galatians 5:17, Hebrews 10:26.

1 Corinthians Chapter 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

I also see that you've used some kind of reference to the old testament to support your message. Here is the bible version of the old testament to support this verse in the new testament.

1Cor. 10:8 - Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

Please Read Old Testament Scriptures: Num 25:1-9; Psa 106:29; Rev 2:14.

You misunderstand the Biblical word fornication. Fornication was false god worship of the false gods of

Baal and Ashtoreth, the god and goddess of fertility. The worship was sex in the groves in an open orgy

where everyone was watching everyone else having sex. It was the pornography of the times. If you did

not have a willing woman partner as a man, then the temple would rent you a prostitute,. If a woman did

not have a male willing partner, then the temple would rent her a male prostitute to have sex with. Interestingly,

the words for these prostitutes were porneuo and pornea from which we transliterate rigth out of the Bible

for our terms of pornography today. It was the same practice of watching other people having sex.

Outline of Biblical Usage for Fornication

#1 illicit sexual intercourse (Illicit not permitted : UNLAWFUL)

KJV 1Co 7:36 - But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.

1Co 7:2-Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Heb 13:4-Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled:but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Bible definition of honourable: timios-as of great price, precious, held in honour, esteemed, especially dear,

Bible definition amiantos: undefiled-not defiled, unsoiled, pure, free from that by which the nature of a thing is deformed and debased, or its force and vigour impaired

Bible definition for whoremonger: prnos -indulges in unlawful sexual intercourse, debauchee

debauched- someone who is debauched is considered to be immoral, because their way of life involves a lot of sex

#2 adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

#3 sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18

#4 sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11-12

#5 metaph. the worship of idols of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

Mat 5:28-But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Bible Dictionary epithyme- lust after...covet, desire, would fain, lust (after),of sexual desire

Macmillan Dictionary Lust-a strong feeling of wanting to have sex

pornea-harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:-fornication.

Fornication- sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other (Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

Here's a few scriptures in the bible about Fornication (sex before marriage).

Heb 13:4-Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

1Co 6:18-Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

1Co 7:2-Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Gal 5:19-Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,20-Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,21-Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Eph 5:3-But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;4-Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.5-For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God...

1Thess 4:3-For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:4-That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;..

Col 3:5-Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:6-For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:...