Bible Discussion Thread

Very concerned; the qurstion uses an explanation in error when it attributes Lot & Esau having descendants from Moabites & Ammonites. Those 2 decendants are both from Lot's older & younger daughter. Esau's decendants are the Edomites.

In Deut 2:9 & 2:19, it shows the Moabites & Ammonites as children of Lot. And so they are because of the incest of Lot's two daughters with their father (the daughters husbands, as you know, were left behind in Sodom, because of their unbelief that God would destroy the city).

And in 2:4, the children of Israel also had to "not meddle" with the children of Esau, as the Lord had given them land (Mt. Seir). And yes, Esau's descendants are the Edomites. So, I see the references to these three groups of people quite distinct & not confusing. Is this how you see it too?

Does Moab have mountains?

I don't think so (desert)

I read that Moab doesn't have mountains, but 'rolling hills'. But in case, you're referring to Mt. Seir which is in Edom, then it is the mountainous region of Edom, between the Dead Sea & Gulf of Aqaba.

However, if you actually mean Moab, Utah, I further read that it does have mountains (La Sal mountains) and great lakes, very good for trout fishing.

I didn't know Utah has a city called Moab. Lol. Great trout fishing in Ruidoso, NM too.

I ran over a prophesy, days ago, about when the Antichrist pursues them to kill all the Jews, that they would flee to Moab. I remembered another prophesy that they would flee to the mountains.

I'm just gathering information to study.

Then I sit before the Lord and wait for Light on the scripture.

Powerful people are pushing Israel to relinquish ALL the land that they reclaimed in the 6 Day War. Land that they need for all the Jews that will return.

The President needs to weigh in here, but he has Iranian tankers full of gasoline arriving in (turncoat) Venezuela Today; which was paid for with gold. A nation starving with no jobs; no economy.

There's a lot happening today.

Mishael,

"Powerful people are pushing Israel to relinquish ALL the land that they reclaimed in the 6 Day War. Land that they need for all the Jews that will return."

I wonder whether we can bank on Gen 15:18 & 17:8, where God covenants with Abram that his seed will get all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates & ALL the Land of Canaan (for an everlasting possession). What the world (United Nations in 1947) has done to Israel is despicable & will be severely judged for this wicked act. To give Israel a sliver of land to ease their tainted consciences does despite to God's Holy Word. God does not forget His Promises & we will see mighty things happen in that land. Now, if only Israel would acknowledge their Messiah & repent of what they had done to him, Israel would be in a whole different situation now & truly "a holy & peculiar people unto the Lord" ( Deut 14:2).

Chris, how do you or anyone know those over in the middle east are in fact Jews? Because they say so?

Jesus in bible book of Revelation 2:9 says I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

48 Then answered the Jews

Then answered the Jews

Then answered the Jews

Then answered the Jews

pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL. (God's chosen people?)

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

The United Nations in 1948 created that state, not the Lord, and the United Nations is openly satanic.

Their official publisher is Lucis publishing, originally Lucifer Trust.

Bob, as I see it, there are three types of Jews being spoken of in the Bible: the True Jew (i.e. one who not only 'kept' God's Commandments but also understood & practised their real significance (e.g. Mk 12:42-44: the widow; Jn 3; 7:50; 19:39: Nicodemus). Second type: the Jew whom Jesus often condemned for their spiritual condition & behaviour (e.g. Jn 8:44, which you quoted). Third type: mixed Jews as a result of the Diaspora (586 BC) into Babylon & following mixed marriages throughout the centuries in various lands.

So, who is the real Jew? How does one assess that given their largely mixed blood & by God's determination only? And, of the Jews whom the Lord condemned were of their father, the Devil, did they cease being Jews physically, or was Jesus speaking about their wicked spiritual condition? Only God can determine that when the time of reckoning with them comes.

Whether reference is made to those Jews, or the Israel of God ( Gal 6:16), the fact is that there will be a regathering of Israel according to Isa 11:10-12. And though they are in unbelief (& one could add the 'real' Jews' dilution) Ezek 37:1-8, Israel will be established as a nation before the Anti-Christ's appearing ( Isa 28:15-18, 22) even though they make a covenant with death & Sheol = AntiChrist (v 15).

As Christians, we are indeed His sheep, the true Israel through Jesus Christ, but it remains that God has not forgotten His people, however mixed & adulterous they are, with whom He covenanted & they will figure prominently in the last days & many of them will be restored into His sheepfold.

It's like you said before, the Messianic Christians will be caught up with ALL the young children, just like us. Those left on earth will know what happened, and repent I pray. The 2 witnesses, the 144,000 and angelic evangelists will convert many.

The Antichrist will chase the unsaved out of Jerusalem, and sit on the Throne. I saw a passage that indicates they will flee to Moab. Even tho the 2 countries have been at odds forever. But now Moab takes them in and hides them, in the hills? I should've written down that scripture. I study till I pass out, sometimes.

I no longer think these events will take a long period of time for it to set up.

Not all of the Jews will turn to Jesus as Messiah. The Russians, Syria and Iran are joined to China now; building that road. Russia will be totally leveled by The Lord.

There's just so much picking up speed. Forever is Just a word now.