Bible Discussion Thread

The bible is very clear that those who turn away with an evil heart of unbelief they have a fearful waiting for the firey depths of Hell. There is no way to be saved again. Then it is like a double minded man.

They don't have a chance if we pray for them. Sometimes that's all it takes for a miracle.

That might be possible if the pertain were a child when they first made the choice for salvation and started the walk very young then was ignorantly and overwhelmingly exposed to wickedness.

Because they were a child when they first made the choice of salvation it is possible for them to be restored miraculously. That reminds me of the lost sheep, or wayward son.

Again not to crucify our Lord afresh.

However, if even they depart in unbelief it is the same for them as any other who departs in unbelief. That means they made a grave choice.

Partly true. If a wayward child while time remains returns back to Calvary in repentance they may be restored. This is why it is so important that one's born again experience is truly repentant. There needs to be a place to return to that the wayward child can remember having peace with God in Jesus Christ. The love of the Church will not forget these children and as opportunity arises along with prayer, their own Christian witness of having peace will be a reminder to the wayward one to return to their first Love.

We must be thoughtful of what Et say in this topic. Such actions of wayward can lead to unbelief and even blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Also the Lukewarm..

This scripture is a warning that it is possible to eternally lose one's salvation having once known it. It puts a reverent fear in a believers heart to stay true. Thankfully God is the judge and will be the only one that knows the end result of a lost member. We know not to look back as Christians and we need a very close relationship with Jesus not banking on any self righteousness only as sinners saved by grace. By doing this a Christian will not find themselves luke warm.

I think the scriptures discussed here are probably Hebrews 6:4-6, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Hebrews 10:26, Matthew 5:13 suggesting that in some cases Christians can't return to the faith once they leave and denounce it. Maybe some of this could be referring to blasphemy of the holy ghost? Matthew 12:31-32.

But James 5:20 suggests that you can return to the faith, as well as the prodigal son story. The forgiving 7x70 story sounds like a huge amount of forgiveness is allotted to us, as long as we forgive others: Matthew 18:35.

What do you think?

You can keep someone lifted up in front of Gods throne. I believe these verses show that Gods thoughts toward us; can turn us back.

Jeremiah 29

11 For I know the thoughts that I THINK toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.

13 And ye shall seek me, and find Me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

I believe in the prayers of mothers and grandparents! My grandmother sent me love letters with scriptures, saying Jesus loves me and so did she. I would remember those letters.

An angel woke me from hangover every morning saying: if you don't stop, you will leave your child without one parent.

Yes I believe in Prodigal sons and daughters. The Bible says he CAME TO HIS SENSES. He was face down fixing to eat hog food. He had nothing left except need. Every step on that road screamed defeat, stupid, loser! (The Accuser). He made it to Daddy. ABBA.

I'm praying hard for some people who are the hardest heads and hearts I know. We have to shake Heaven with our prayers! I know some day I am going to receive a good report. I know it! I know it I know it!

Those altars they have in Israel are solid. I can see it in scripture. Well we need to grab on it, lay on it, soak it in tears, sleep beside it; wake up and shake Heaven again.

Did John the Baptist pray? Red letters>

Matthew 11:12 ...the Kingdom of Heaven suffers Violence, and the Violent TAKE IT BY FORCE.

Jesus said that. IF we want to shake out a blessing; get with it. Grab onto the horns of that altar and give birth to a miracle.

God knew what He was getting when He came to my house on Yom Kippur and broke into my sinful, drugged up, alcohol hazed life. He killed my life of sin and raised up a servant.

We can shake Heaven in our prayer life. Get in the closet. No canned prayers! Pray your heart. Holy Spirit help me to pray!

No, we can not "loose" salvation. A person may choose to leave. That is not "loosing". Loss is a different meaning.

I was not speaking of the backslider. They can definitely turn back.

I am talking about those who depart from God with an evil heart of unbelief.... even after salvation.

They have in a way blasphemed the Holy Spirit and there is No Forgiveness for that in this life and the next.

The back slider is able to be restored as long as they do not crucify Jesus afresh.

Praise the Lord Jesus Christ and God our Father.