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Prayer. Nobody really wants to do that. However, our Lord Jesus sits at the right hand of God: every day, every night, 24/7 and intercedes for Christians around the globe.
There's a prayer request room on this website, that is full of people waiting for someone to agree with them on touching their needs.
Check the "thread" button to see if they've been prayed for YET.
Prayerlessness of the Church of Jesus has gotten us, all of this trouble we're going through.
SEPTEMBER 26 has been set aside as a NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER.
Google your community to see if and where people may be meeting.
If you're old or disabled, we still need to be a part of that.
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Acts 21:8-9
And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
The Bible expressly says women shall not have authority of man in areas of teaching doctrine and spiritual matters ( 1 Timothy 2:12).
1 Timothy 3 speaks of the leadership within the church and how only men shall hold those portions of authority. Bishop (Pastor) is to be a husband of one woman. It does not say the bishop shall be the wife of one man etc. Look at all those masculine pronouns.
The serpent beguiled Eve: 2 Corinthians 11:3, then Eve technically lead Adam to sin, even though he should have known better ( Genesis 3:6).
As you can see in the marriage hierarchy, it goes: God, husband, then woman ( Ephesians 5:24,25).
Man has authority but is not to be a dictator. He is to protect his family and church both spiritually and physically. Any man that does not take into consideration anything a woman says simply because she is a woman, is unscriptural. But there is a biblical time and place for woman to serve. Female pastors are unbiblical. Female teachers (of doctrine etc) is unscriptural if teaching men. A woman is to be taken seriously and to be treated lovingly, but she cannot do everything man does.
Women have and do play a major role in christian faith in many areas including teaching young women and children ( Titus 2:4).
As the above comments show, women can prophesy, which mean they can proclaim Biblical truth. With all things, it must be done according to the Bible.
Do not listen to anybody who says "do not worry about what man thinks." This is not a Biblical mindset as the man is to provide sound, biblical guidance. This does not mean a woman can only get info from men (as earlier in my post).
Also, (brief history lesson) all pagan religions worship a female goddess. Could this also be the reason why God chose man to be the leader of church, family, school etc.?
The Bible was written by a holy an perfect God. THE God of the universe and beyond. What is written in there is truth and should be taken seriously
Judy May, we don't know exactly what ministry you are referring to. Can you specify?
As for the rest of these comments, I will take each of D.J.'s answers in stride as I can see this person is upset and making this comment thread a spectacle. Though I do believe my first comment should suffice, (especially if the references were checked) perhaps some of the words I used need to be defined for a better understanding. Reading Paul's letters to Timothy, Titus, the Corinthians, and Ephesians; Peter's epistle, and Proverbs and you will get a good idea of the New Testament church's views on female leadership.
D.J. do you know what God has in store for Judy May? No, as she has yet to give any information concerning the specific ministry. Hence the reason why I am offering the basic information to make a decision. Ministry= service or aid. Is not specific to one particular "job."
Am I confident in the understanding God has given of the word? Yes. Am I judging Judy May? No. Jude= distinguish truth from falsehood.
Nothing I said was a judgment, as you can clearly see.
Deborah, who was set in her office (Judge) because "all the men did what was right in their own eyes" was put in that position because no other man in the land was capable. Furthermore, Jews and Christians are dealt with differently. This concept, for lack of space, can be summed up with, God's methods of dealing with His people change in the dispensations. More on that another time.
Today prophesy= to speak. Yes one who prophesies can teach. As said before the Bible has restrictions on whom a woman may have dominion over when teaching: doctrine, 1 Tim. 2:12; authority in church, Titus 1:5-9; 1 Tim 3:1-7. It is a shame for woman to be a PREACHER in church, 1 Cor 14:35. A "prophet[ess]" (seer) is an OT/Jewish concept.
Your cherry picked verses:
Acts 2:17, end time prophecy. Acts 21:8-9, good for them. Luke 2:36, read the verse and above sentence. 1 Cor 11:5 read the epistles and you'll understand.
Why would it matter to you what ministry Judy May is affiliated with?
Judy never asked if she could be a "leader" of a church, or if she could "teach". Judy asked if she had a right to "take part in ministry."
You say that the definition of "ministry" is "service or aid... not to one particular job."
So, according to your definition of "ministry," what is your problem with Judy?
Maybe you should check through her first comment, as those words "should suffice."
You say "One who prophesies can teach."
Well said.
Not to cherry pick, but what are you to do with Phillip's 4 daughters that were prophetesses. Could they not teach?
You say "a prophet[ess]" (seer) is an OT/Jewish concept."
Again, what about Phillip's 4 daughters. That is not Old Testament. They were prophesying after Christ died?
Your amazing words and comments should have been "sufficient" to correct my understanding, so sorry if I have not been persuaded that Judy should "be silent" concerning teaching the Word of God.
You do not have to be a "leader" to be a "teacher."
I am not "angry," nor am I looking to make a "spectacle" of this thread.
I apologize if my comments and questions made you feel uncomfortable.
I was just trying to defend the right of Judy (and half of the world's population) through the word of God, to be able to teach (not be a bishop or deacon) other people about the word of God.
I applaud your efforts towards defense on a topic you apppear to be very passionate about. Perhaps next time you could leave your virtue signaling on F.B. and allow the poor woman who askes a simple question here to not regret it. If emotion equated to fact, you would definitely win. But I did not know we were competing.
Next time you want to punk somebody out on a biblical matter, feel free to to do so by using fact and less emotion. You clearly have no interest in learning, just bullying. If I said something wrong (perhaps misunderstood) I am willing to learn, but as far as I can see this comment section has been exhausted only by your vacuous rants on the pretext of social justice.
why is it with man they refuse to a let women to take part in ministry if God has called me what
am i to do in a God's way .
thanks
Judy may
9-10-2020
Try to be not discouraged by people looking to keep you down.
Go forward boldly with the Lord Jesus Christ as your covering.
May God bless you in doing what God has called you to do.
He will show you the way.
There's a prayer request room on this website, that is full of people waiting for someone to agree with them on touching their needs.
Check the "thread" button to see if they've been prayed for YET.
Prayerlessness of the Church of Jesus has gotten us, all of this trouble we're going through.
SEPTEMBER 26 has been set aside as a NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER.
Google your community to see if and where people may be meeting.
If you're old or disabled, we still need to be a part of that.
Mishael
Do what God has called you to do.
Do not worry about what man thinks.
Follow God's example.
Judges 4:4
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Acts 21:8-9
And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
The Bible expressly says women shall not have authority of man in areas of teaching doctrine and spiritual matters ( 1 Timothy 2:12).
1 Timothy 3 speaks of the leadership within the church and how only men shall hold those portions of authority. Bishop (Pastor) is to be a husband of one woman. It does not say the bishop shall be the wife of one man etc. Look at all those masculine pronouns.
The serpent beguiled Eve: 2 Corinthians 11:3, then Eve technically lead Adam to sin, even though he should have known better ( Genesis 3:6).
As you can see in the marriage hierarchy, it goes: God, husband, then woman ( Ephesians 5:24,25).
Man has authority but is not to be a dictator. He is to protect his family and church both spiritually and physically. Any man that does not take into consideration anything a woman says simply because she is a woman, is unscriptural. But there is a biblical time and place for woman to serve. Female pastors are unbiblical. Female teachers (of doctrine etc) is unscriptural if teaching men. A woman is to be taken seriously and to be treated lovingly, but she cannot do everything man does.
Women have and do play a major role in christian faith in many areas including teaching young women and children ( Titus 2:4).
As the above comments show, women can prophesy, which mean they can proclaim Biblical truth. With all things, it must be done according to the Bible.
Do not listen to anybody who says "do not worry about what man thinks." This is not a Biblical mindset as the man is to provide sound, biblical guidance. This does not mean a woman can only get info from men (as earlier in my post).
Also, (brief history lesson) all pagan religions worship a female goddess. Could this also be the reason why God chose man to be the leader of church, family, school etc.?
The Bible was written by a holy an perfect God. THE God of the universe and beyond. What is written in there is truth and should be taken seriously
Did God make a mistake?
Hold onto your seat Mixster...aand away we goo...
Deborah was a Jew. I am speaking expressly on Christian matters.
It is an easy distinction for the serious Bible student. Thank you for your question.
"What are you going to comment, on that?..?
Do you know what God has in store for Judy May?
Are you telling Judy May to keep silent concerning the word of God and not offer help or understanding to those that are confused or have never heard?
Are you really that confident in your understanding of the word of God to be the judge of Judy?
Why would it matter that Deborah was a Jew?
Does a prophet not teach?
Therefore, does a prophetess not have the same ability to teach?
If a woman does not have a husband and lives alone, who is the head of her household?
If you are only speaking "expressly of Christian matters," then what do you do with Acts 2:17 or Acts 21:8-9?
How do you explain Luke 2:36 or 1 Corinthians 11:5?
Do "sons AND daughters" not prophesy in the end times?
As for the rest of these comments, I will take each of D.J.'s answers in stride as I can see this person is upset and making this comment thread a spectacle. Though I do believe my first comment should suffice, (especially if the references were checked) perhaps some of the words I used need to be defined for a better understanding. Reading Paul's letters to Timothy, Titus, the Corinthians, and Ephesians; Peter's epistle, and Proverbs and you will get a good idea of the New Testament church's views on female leadership.
D.J. do you know what God has in store for Judy May? No, as she has yet to give any information concerning the specific ministry. Hence the reason why I am offering the basic information to make a decision. Ministry= service or aid. Is not specific to one particular "job."
Am I confident in the understanding God has given of the word? Yes. Am I judging Judy May? No. Jude= distinguish truth from falsehood.
Nothing I said was a judgment, as you can clearly see.
Deborah, who was set in her office (Judge) because "all the men did what was right in their own eyes" was put in that position because no other man in the land was capable. Furthermore, Jews and Christians are dealt with differently. This concept, for lack of space, can be summed up with, God's methods of dealing with His people change in the dispensations. More on that another time.
Today prophesy= to speak. Yes one who prophesies can teach. As said before the Bible has restrictions on whom a woman may have dominion over when teaching: doctrine, 1 Tim. 2:12; authority in church, Titus 1:5-9; 1 Tim 3:1-7. It is a shame for woman to be a PREACHER in church, 1 Cor 14:35. A "prophet[ess]" (seer) is an OT/Jewish concept.
Your cherry picked verses:
Acts 2:17, end time prophecy. Acts 21:8-9, good for them. Luke 2:36, read the verse and above sentence. 1 Cor 11:5 read the epistles and you'll understand.
Why would it matter to you what ministry Judy May is affiliated with?
Judy never asked if she could be a "leader" of a church, or if she could "teach". Judy asked if she had a right to "take part in ministry."
You say that the definition of "ministry" is "service or aid... not to one particular job."
So, according to your definition of "ministry," what is your problem with Judy?
Maybe you should check through her first comment, as those words "should suffice."
You say "One who prophesies can teach."
Well said.
Not to cherry pick, but what are you to do with Phillip's 4 daughters that were prophetesses. Could they not teach?
You say "a prophet[ess]" (seer) is an OT/Jewish concept."
Again, what about Phillip's 4 daughters. That is not Old Testament. They were prophesying after Christ died?
Your amazing words and comments should have been "sufficient" to correct my understanding, so sorry if I have not been persuaded that Judy should "be silent" concerning teaching the Word of God.
You do not have to be a "leader" to be a "teacher."
I am not "angry," nor am I looking to make a "spectacle" of this thread.
I apologize if my comments and questions made you feel uncomfortable.
I was just trying to defend the right of Judy (and half of the world's population) through the word of God, to be able to teach (not be a bishop or deacon) other people about the word of God.
I applaud your efforts towards defense on a topic you apppear to be very passionate about. Perhaps next time you could leave your virtue signaling on F.B. and allow the poor woman who askes a simple question here to not regret it. If emotion equated to fact, you would definitely win. But I did not know we were competing.
Next time you want to punk somebody out on a biblical matter, feel free to to do so by using fact and less emotion. You clearly have no interest in learning, just bullying. If I said something wrong (perhaps misunderstood) I am willing to learn, but as far as I can see this comment section has been exhausted only by your vacuous rants on the pretext of social justice.
Forgive us Judy may.
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