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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 140750

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Andy G van den Berg on Revelation 11 - 4 years ago
    No believer has ever dared to judge himself and claim to be 'Born Again'. The Word of God teaches us that you must be 'Born Again'. Your experience is typical of a religious experience based on man-made doctrines. It is also referred to as self-transformation ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15). You are still wearing the same garment that by nature you were born with but were not transformed by God.

    Our message therefore remains the same: Ye must repent. The repentance process and the transformation and conversion by God takes many years as God teaches all those that come to Him. God taught a host of approximately two million people for forty years. Only Joshua and Caleb were left of the original group that crossed the Red Sea. All the rest died in the wilderness. How long the transformation and conversion process takes depends on the journey of every person. Dianne & I started our journey in 1984 and still submit our bodies as a living sacrifice each day for the transformation and renewal of our minds ( Romans 12:1,2). We know, we are slow learners.

    Like every other religious experience your 'truck' experience was just your high-minded thinking. That is not how a person becomes 'Born of God'.

    By attending a man-made institution a few hours a week ( Acts 7:48; 17:24), does not mean that a person can make a claim that they are followers of Christ and 'Born Again'. That is falsehood, as in truth they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; Rev. 12:9). This is how Satan has transformed Himself into an angel of light ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15).

    You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1). It is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg
  • Sandra - In Reply on Revelation 11 - 4 years ago
    Numbers 14 states that those under 20 years old survived with Caleb and Joshua for the forty years in the wilderness and did go into The Promise Land with Caleb and Joshua. Therefore, Caleb and Joshua had many with them. Later in years in the Promise Land a Remnant was saved too. Many of which were Saphardic Spanish Jews that chose not to go back to Israel after The Battle of Babylon.
  • Andy G van den Berg - In Reply on Revelation 11 - 4 years ago
    To SANDRA

    Please read Numbers 14:30,31; 15:30; 26:65; 32:12 and you will learn that the children that crossed the Jordan were the children of the new generation.

    Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • Sandra - In Reply on Revelation 11 - 4 years ago
    Those under 20 years old were taught too for forty years in the wilderness. Yes, those over 20 years old did not cross over The Jordon, except fir Joshua and Caleb. The Law versus Grace. Law was given to understand grace. Jesus Christ fulfilled the law in His Crucifixion at Calvary and His Resurrection. Yes, we continue to confess sins that we commit after being Born Again in Christ. How does one become Born Again Sealed with The Holy Spirit Through Jesus Christ? If only we could see with God's Eyes who really do have The Actual Seal of The Holy Spirit Through a True Miracle Manifestation of This. Salvation belongs to God. We step out in faith and God performs The Miracle of Eternal Salvation In Christ to manifest in a human being. The Apostles' Creed, Nicene Creed, and Sinners' Prayer (The Sinners' Prayer amended to include that we are born eternally separated from God because of Adam's Sin and we need to be atonement At One Ment with God through The Grace of Jesus Christ with faith and true heartedness on our part. So it is to be in Christ, to continue to grow in Christ, and to be in Sabbath Rest in Christ. Good works do apply too. Not religiously spirited, but with a personal relationship heart attitude with God. Ask All Three of God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit to abode in one's heart and soul is to be done after being in Christ.

    God can use a truck experience to prepare the hearts of folks to be fertile ground for how to be Born Again in Christ.

    It is like becoming a butterfly from being a worm. A new creation.



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