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Onyekachukwu Ogechi Levinus Alaka on 1 John 1:8 - 4 years ago
While it's not necessary to have perfect knowledge in order to be saved-justified before God-a core aspect of the gospel is a recognition of our sin. Therefore, anyone who claims to have never sinned is denying the gospel. By definition, such a person is an unbeliever. And, any believer who concludes that they no longer sin needs to be corrected.
Then attempt to correct me. After salvation through repentance, God instructs us to cease from sin. You are then saying you need to correct God's word for falsely claiming we can cease our sins. I suppose Romans 6:1,2 is false in stating that God forbids we continue in sin. The reality and truth is that you must stop sinning after salvation or you are unsaved still. Later in this book, 1 John 3:8 tells us that those that sin are of the devil also known as Satan.
What of Matthew 1:21 He shall save them from sin. How can we be saved from sin if we continue to do it? The answer is you can't. God is not accepting those that are actively sinning into His kingdom or Heaven. In the beginning, Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden of Eden for their sin. Any that sins in the present tense is not in the kingdom of God. And living free from sin after repentance is possible through God's power not ours. Last thing, repentance is sorrow and gaining God's forgiveness from sins in the past, not ever for the present or future. If you sin presently, God's forgiving grace is voided by your disobedience. And if you harbor desire to sin in the future, God sees your intents and will not accept your repentance.
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." It requires salvation from sin first.
2 Timothy 3:17
"That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." This word perfect is in reference to spiritual perfection through Jesus Christ. It is not to be confused with physical perfection, which is not possible.
Galatians 6:7
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Those that remain in sin will be judged as lost and their reward is eternity in Hell. Those that live sinless after repentance and salvation are going to Heaven. Children under the age of accountability are innocent before God our Judge and will make Heaven their home as well.
Titus 2:11,12
"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;" Salvation from sin can be obtained here on Earth in this life. Without salvation from sin, you are still lost, and have just gained religion and are not righteous before God.
Hebrews 4:12
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." God sees your heart's hidden intents to hold onto sin, to be deceived and to deceive others that freedom from sin is not possible. May He have mercy on you that you should see the truth before you die lost, forever to be tormented in Hell.
If sin wasn't an event after salvation ,we wouldn't need most of the new testament instructing us how to think and act ,it would just be a natural course for us who have first believed to live out our faith without any instruction whatsoever .sin.is ever present ,but we have a way of escape.. ,to resist the devil and to walk in the spirit, but it's a battle everyday ,we are told it will be, we still have our old man ,the flesh; verse the new man;the spirit .And besides all this,its not our works which save us but by believing in Jesus and his death and by putting all our faith on what "he "did ,no one is getting into heaven by being good enough.
Friend that is where you're wrong. Jesus saves from sins in the past only. If you're sinning presently, you did not get saved by God the Creator nor by His Son Jesus. And you won't need saved from future sins if you were saved and stopped the sin business. There is where false religion has failed. If you say you are a Christian, then listen to what Jesus told a man and then a woman in John.
John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." Jesus says here "Sin no more"
John 8:11 "She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." And again here, "Sin no more". There's no room for big or little sin in sin no more.
So if Jesus told both man and woman to sin no more, how much sin can you and I do after salvation? NONE.
Jesus is bigger and more powerful than the sinning Christian experience, the get saved every night at your bedside experience, or the once saved always saved experience.
Here is what Jeremiah records that God said on false ministry:
Jeremiah 23:21, 22
"I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings."
Any preacher that teaches you cannot be saved from is a liar and God did not send him or her. If the preacher teaches of a god that is too weak to save you from sin, they are teaching about a false god.
So again I'll ask what I did earlier that has yet to be answered; If you could stop sinning, would you? If you say no, then you told on yourself that you'd rather sin. If you say yes, then why haven't you stopped the sin business? If you are going to spend an eternity with God in His Heaven, you stop the sin now. If you excuse sin, it tells us you aren't right in your heart.
This is a common point of confusion among believers. The scriptures above say everyone sins. This includes Christians. Paul himself struggled with sin, not his past, but sins of present and temptations: Romans 7:15-20. If Paul, one of the pioneers of Christianity admits to that, what are the odds someone else is without sin. Zero. Jesus was the only perfect being who never sinned on Earth. If you're following Jesus your sins are forgiven by the debt He paid on the cross (grace), but that doesn't mean you're not sinning. Some people think a miracle happens or history is rewritten, no, you can even continue to suffer the consequences of that sin but still be forgiven. There are lots of ways to sin and Christians probably unknowingly sin every day, whether impure thoughts, lust, dishonesty, bad thoughts towards someone. But Jesus challenges us to be perfect, to strive to be pure, to not follow the world. This differs from a new teaching from satan which is spreading around Christians that claims that it's impossible for Christians to sin, therefore enjoy yourself, follow the world if you want, because it doesn't matter. That talk is contrary to what Jesus said and is straight from the devil. We're supposed to strive to avoid sin just like Paul, and when we mess up , confess and ask for forgiveness, but don't beat ourselves up about it either as long as we're following and pursuing Jesus our sins are forgiven. God bless...
I agree. As long as Satan is loose on this earth he will be busy constantly/continually tempting everyone ....especially Christians. We are "not perfect" so we will slip at times. We can be assured that when we do sin....we can ask Christ to be forgiven.
Jesus tells us below
Luke 17:4
"And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him."
Jesus will forgive us when we sin, if we ask and repent. He knows our heart, and he knows if we are trying our best and he understands each of us!
What of Matthew 1:21 He shall save them from sin. How can we be saved from sin if we continue to do it? The answer is you can't. God is not accepting those that are actively sinning into His kingdom or Heaven. In the beginning, Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden of Eden for their sin. Any that sins in the present tense is not in the kingdom of God. And living free from sin after repentance is possible through God's power not ours. Last thing, repentance is sorrow and gaining God's forgiveness from sins in the past, not ever for the present or future. If you sin presently, God's forgiving grace is voided by your disobedience. And if you harbor desire to sin in the future, God sees your intents and will not accept your repentance.
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." It requires salvation from sin first.
2 Timothy 3:17
"That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." This word perfect is in reference to spiritual perfection through Jesus Christ. It is not to be confused with physical perfection, which is not possible.
Galatians 6:7
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Those that remain in sin will be judged as lost and their reward is eternity in Hell. Those that live sinless after repentance and salvation are going to Heaven. Children under the age of accountability are innocent before God our Judge and will make Heaven their home as well.
Titus 2:11,12
"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;" Salvation from sin can be obtained here on Earth in this life. Without salvation from sin, you are still lost, and have just gained religion and are not righteous before God.
Hebrews 4:12
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." God sees your heart's hidden intents to hold onto sin, to be deceived and to deceive others that freedom from sin is not possible. May He have mercy on you that you should see the truth before you die lost, forever to be tormented in Hell.
Psalms Chapter 103
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
**12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions (sins) from us.
13 Like as a father pitieth [his] children, [so] the LORD pitieth them that fear him.
John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." Jesus says here "Sin no more"
John 8:11 "She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." And again here, "Sin no more". There's no room for big or little sin in sin no more.
So if Jesus told both man and woman to sin no more, how much sin can you and I do after salvation? NONE.
Jesus is bigger and more powerful than the sinning Christian experience, the get saved every night at your bedside experience, or the once saved always saved experience.
Here is what Jeremiah records that God said on false ministry:
Jeremiah 23:21, 22
"I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings."
Any preacher that teaches you cannot be saved from is a liar and God did not send him or her. If the preacher teaches of a god that is too weak to save you from sin, they are teaching about a false god.
So again I'll ask what I did earlier that has yet to be answered; If you could stop sinning, would you? If you say no, then you told on yourself that you'd rather sin. If you say yes, then why haven't you stopped the sin business? If you are going to spend an eternity with God in His Heaven, you stop the sin now. If you excuse sin, it tells us you aren't right in your heart.
God throws our sins as far as the East is from the west. Which is an infinite line.
I put 2 little stars by it to indicate I was commenting on that verse.
Also I thought by your post, there was some sort of doubt.
If you are offended I am sorry about that.
There was no need to accuse me of false teaching. I forgive you.
1 John 1:8
Matthew 5:28
MATTHEW 18:21-22
This is a common point of confusion among believers. The scriptures above say everyone sins. This includes Christians. Paul himself struggled with sin, not his past, but sins of present and temptations: Romans 7:15-20. If Paul, one of the pioneers of Christianity admits to that, what are the odds someone else is without sin. Zero. Jesus was the only perfect being who never sinned on Earth. If you're following Jesus your sins are forgiven by the debt He paid on the cross (grace), but that doesn't mean you're not sinning. Some people think a miracle happens or history is rewritten, no, you can even continue to suffer the consequences of that sin but still be forgiven. There are lots of ways to sin and Christians probably unknowingly sin every day, whether impure thoughts, lust, dishonesty, bad thoughts towards someone. But Jesus challenges us to be perfect, to strive to be pure, to not follow the world. This differs from a new teaching from satan which is spreading around Christians that claims that it's impossible for Christians to sin, therefore enjoy yourself, follow the world if you want, because it doesn't matter. That talk is contrary to what Jesus said and is straight from the devil. We're supposed to strive to avoid sin just like Paul, and when we mess up , confess and ask for forgiveness, but don't beat ourselves up about it either as long as we're following and pursuing Jesus our sins are forgiven. God bless...
Great post.
All sin everyday.
Even the most holy walking among us today.
All are in need of repentance, everyday.
I agree. As long as Satan is loose on this earth he will be busy constantly/continually tempting everyone ....especially Christians. We are "not perfect" so we will slip at times. We can be assured that when we do sin....we can ask Christ to be forgiven.
Jesus tells us below
Luke 17:4
"And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him."
Jesus will forgive us when we sin, if we ask and repent. He knows our heart, and he knows if we are trying our best and he understands each of us!
God Bless.
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