Bible Discussion Thread

REV 12 V 5 Comments by Alex about being bornagain of an incorruptible seed,THE Woman in rev 12 is the best example of the new birth.And she keeps the COMMANDMENTS simply b/c she has been born of God her Child is a baby Christ .Remember them that are born of God cannot sin KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS means we love our neighbor as our selves and God with all our hearts on these 2 commandments hang all the laws and the prophets. But this is not possible without being bornagain of that incorruptible seed meaning the words of the new covenant that are gonna be sown in our hearts. Her Child is a baby Christ which is the H.G. The multiplication of Christ the Child of PROMISE. Her TESTIMONY means the seed of CHRIST, Even in th natural a mans seed is his testimony. Her child is the testimony of Christ his seed etc. Christ IS THE FATHER of her Child . Them that are born of GOD CANNOT SIN Thats how she keeps the commandments, thats how he will fulfill the law by making it impossible to sin via his seed etc. What is so wonderfull about this woman is she is humanity that is gonna be born of God, Her child is the real H.G. The child of Promise making it impossible to sin as them that are born of God cannot sin. Jesus said he that soweth that good seed is the son of man,Thats how the woman got pregnant she heard the words of Christ ( his seed ) His voice etc which caused her much sorrows a pregnancy, B/C i have spoken these words sorrows have filled your hearts but after the child comes ( the H.G ) Her sorrows are turned into Joy. Thats y he is saying unless you receive the kingdom as a lil child you will in no wise enter there in. Rev 12 v 10 John decribes the Child as the Kingdom, and salvation is now come etc. And the woman keeps the COMMANDMENTS simply b/c them that are born of God cannot sin.Doncha see that keeping the commandments fulfills the law simply b/c the woman has been born of God that new birth etc.Its love that fulfills the law.But without his WORD we have no love.

Alex, you are correct, when we are born again we cannot sin because we believe the words that Christ has spoken. Ezekiel 36:24-27 For I (Christ) will take you (those born again) from among the heathen, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your land (kingdom of heaven, Christ in you). (vs) 25 Then will I (Christ in you) sprinkle clean water (baptism of Christ, baptism of Spirit, Christ in you) upon you, and ye shall be clean, from all your filthiness, and from all your idols ( works of your hands), will I (Christ) cleanse you. (vs) 26 A new heart (mind of Christ, the new heaven) also will I (Christs works, I am the potter you are the clay) give (grace) you, and a new Spirit (Christ in you) will I [Christ in You, ( I John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons or God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear [to you, the day of the Lord, today is the day harden not your heart (mind)] , we (children of the resurrection) shall be like him (Christ): and I will take away the stony heart (carnal mind, old heaven) out of your (carnal) flesh, and I will give (grace) you an heart (mind of Christ, new heaven) of (Spirit) flesh. (vs) 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause (working of Christ, causing us to love our brothers, love our enemies,no sin) you to walk in my statutes (love all) and to keep my judgements (words), and do them. Psalms 92:4-6 For though Lord, hast made me glad through thy work: I will triumph in the works of thy hands. (vs) 5 O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep. (vs) 6 A brutish man (beast) knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this. Psalms 64:4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee.....

Hi Earl,

I believe the opposite of what you stated, because of what I see in the scriptures. God forgiving our sin and cleaning us is different than claiming someone cannot sin- that it's impossible. That's a logical leap into a whole different territory in which there's a mountain of scripture warning us against sin (including Christians) and no scriptures saying it's impossible for us to sin. It's also different than God 'not seeing sin' due to grace covering us as long as we're following Christ (a Christian). The old testament verses above do not mean someone cannot sin. If no one can sin, what's the point of asking for forgiveness? If no one can sin, what's the point of avoiding sin and striving to be perfect like Jesus said? If no one can sin, what's the point of spreading the gospel? If no one can sin, then you can ignore the Bible and just follow the world and do whatever sin you want with no consequence? The Bible already said that's not the case. Paul wrote about his fleshly struggles to sin- if there was no sin would it make sense that he would write that? If no sin, does that mean you can't blaspheme the holy spirit, either? Why would Jesus preach and challenge his followers with all these instructions if they couldn't sin and their actions were irrelevant. Satan is the father of lies and one of these teachings is truth and one is a lie. They are not both true. So, if satan was going to deceive someone is it likely they would deceive someone into being 'gooder' than they need to be or to be 'badder'- to convince them it's ok to sin, that you will surely 'not' be punished for it. To me that sounds like the same being behind the 1st temptation in the garden of eden- the father of lies is always not far away from any false teaching. Once saved, always saved is another teaching people often distort in order to justify sinning and blaspheming against God.

Here's what the Bible actually says:

James 2:17

Romans 6:15

Hebrews 10:26

Rom 7:22

Matthew 7:21

John 14:15

Matt 5:13

Matthew 7:26-27

Eph 5:5-6

Rom 11:19-23

God bless...

Adam, it is not possible for us (carnal man) to not sin. When you are born of the Spirit you no longer have a carnal mind, but you are given (graced) with the mind of Christ. This grace was bestowed on us by the power of the resurrection. Coming to this truth takes hundreds and hundreds of hours in Gods word and the gracing of the Holy Spirit. I John 3:8-9 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested (revealed), that he (Christ) might destroy the works of the devil (carnal mind). Whosoever is born of God doth not sin; because his (Christ) seed remaineth in him: and he (child of the resurrection, birthed by the woman: Revelation 12:1) cannot sin, because he is born of God. Philippians 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (vs) 6 Who, being in the form (image of God) thought it not robbery to be equal with God: John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought to kill him, because he not only healed on the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father (who is your Father) making himself equal with God. Does God sin. Ephesians: 4:13 Till we all come into the unity of the faith (Christ), and or the knowledge (mind of Christ) of the Son of God, unto a perfect (mature) man, unto the measure of the fulness of Christ:

Earl, thanks for your response.

If you believe it's impossible for a Christian to sin, does that mean tonight your or I can commit any sin we'd like and it wouldn't be sin? I'm a Christian and just like Paul have struggles of the flesh and part of me would really like to commit a fleshly sin tonight. Is your belief that I can proceed to do that and not be sinning? What if I do the same tomorrow and the next day for the rest of my life and add more sins too, do you truly believe there be no consequence? At what point does a Christian suddenly become 'was never a Christian'?

Did you hover over any of the verses above and do you feel they are consistent with what you're saying here, like Hebrews 10:26?

Joshua, in your reply on mathew 26. Respectfully your wrong. heres scripture to back it up. You stated above that If we continue our old practice - our dead in our sins way of living AFTER we become saved, we were never saved/born again to begin with( Hebrews 10:26, Hebrews 10:38-39, 1 John 2:15, 2 Peter 2:20-22). My scripture to back it up mathew 18:12. talks about the lost sheep.... i was saved before and wandered away. i am currently PURGING sin out of my life as you ARE CORRECT when you state that you dont continue in your sinful ways once you become a new creature... i just wanted to point out though that just because someone has gone astray and dead in sins and trespasses it DOES NOT mean that they werent already saved to begin with. Respectfully, stephen

Adam, I do not think you understand what it means to be born again. How did Christ not sin. He was born of God and the Father keep him from sinning. The Holy Ghost came upon Mary (woman) and she conceived and birthed a child (Christ, the first born Son). The Holy Ghost comes upon us (we are impregnated) and after gestation (spending hours in Gods word and being graced with the Holy Spirit) you (woman, Revelation 12:1) give birth to a child (us, the first fruit of Christ). The same Holy Ghost that Fathered Christ, Fathers you, the same God that kept Christ from sinning keeps you from sinning. I Timothy 2:14-15 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman (symbolic of us) being deceived was in the transgression. (vs) 15 Notwithstanding she (woman, us, the woman in Revelation 12:1) shall be saved in childbearing (new child of the Holy Ghost), if they (women,us) continue in the faith (in Christ) and charity (in Christ) and in Holiness (in Christ) with sobriety (in Christ).

Earl, thanks for the reply. It appears you avoided the questions being asked and instead used a straw man fallacy. I think the Bible does not support the information you have provided here and I shared ample scriptures supporting the opposite view. The fact is it's easy to become a Christian, but continuing to follow Christ for the duration of ones life is another matter. There are many documented cases of real Christians choosing to leave the faith. The ex-Christian forum on Reddit has 71,000+ members. People claiming they weren't Christians in the first place might be a cop out to explain the reality they don't want to face- that Christians can indeed lose their salvation. Jesus preached to fear the Lord and put effort and strive to avoid sin. 'go and sin no more'- if people were incapable of sinning Jesus wouldn't have kept saying that to his followers over and over and kept warning them through parables over and over. So, I believe the scripture shows this is a big deception to believe that Christians can't sin. This is surely from satan, because he loves to get Christians to believe it's ok to sin, and they sure do. They do regularly, even intentionally, because they believed the lie that they can live in the world and follow the world instead of following Jesus with no consequences. One of us is wrong. I don't believe God has stripped anyone of their freewill when they follow Him. If this were true then it would have been impossible for an angel in heaven like satan to rebel and be cast out. This is important enough to pray and ask God what the real truth is. Salvation is very important. Jesus didn't die so people can abuse his grace and slap Him in the face while they follow the world in sin. Unfortuantely, some luke warm Christians will go to hell- God is the judge. Matthew 7:14. Grace covers Christians who actively follow Christ, not those who follow evil. And all, incuding Christians, have the ability to do evil. I know you disagree and think this is a lie, but this is all comes direct from the Bible. May God bless you.