Bible Discussion Thread

Chris ya gotta realize that all the unclean ANIMALS in that sheet that God showed PETER was humanity the Church that was made Clean by the blood of the lamb,HG. BAPTISM .THE BAPTISM OF PROMISE via the CROSS NOT WATER BAPTISM. The sheet was knit at the 4 corners which is symbolic of the Cross his blood that is knit in the 4 Gospels. Three times GOD rebuked Peter with that sheet telling Peter that it was by the blood of the lamb he made everybody Clean,If i be lifted up I will draw All men UNTO ME.What i have made CLEAN ( BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB ) Do not call common or unclean ) Thats what Peter was impling that the Cross was insufficieth they still needed water baptism who can forbid water,Peter was commanding water baptism as if the cross was insufficient lacking etc he was also impling that water cd remit sins who can forbid water thats when the lord rebuked peter 3 times with that sheet. After that Peter understood the vision he said Then rememebered i the words of our lord John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G. and fire who was i to withstand God . Nomore does Peter command water baptism but said being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the Words of our lord, no water mentioned. Chris ya gota realize that its by this word which is the good seed that forms FAITH in US initiating a birth of Christ in us The substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen which is the H.G. THE Child of PROMISE. but without this baptism of the H.G there can be no fruit unto God,She brought forth a man Child that is gona rule all nations and this woman in rev 12 is the best example of the new birth and the baptism of the H.G th PROMISE CHILD, FRUIT UNTO GOD, My lil children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you . The Child of PROMISE which is the new covenant a birthing covenant he said "I will KNOW THEM ALL" THIS KNOW THEM ALL IS AN INTIMACY THAT RESULTS IN A BIRTH OF CHRIST IN US THE SON OF MAN. TH CHILD OF PROMISE

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Anyway, back to Acts 10:9 & following verses: my point of objection is that you see this vision from the Lord to Peter as something to do with water baptism. As I read this portion, the whole message to Peter was to "call nothing common or unclean". That is, the unclean animals on the sheet represented not just unclean animals, but people that God had chosen to also become joint-heirs with the Jews who also believed, through Jesus' Blood. So this was preparation for Peter to meet with gentile Cornelius & Peter even declared to him (v28) that even though a Jew couldn't meet with a gentile, God had showed him differently.

Eventually, as Peter preached to him (them), the Spirit fell upon them, they spoke in other tongues & were baptized in water (vv 44-48). The clear order is seen here, to which you are disputing. There is no indication here or anywhere else that Peter ever "implied that the blood of our lord was insufficient and that water baptism cd remit sins".

This is your interpretation that is baseless & developed on spiritualizing so much of Scripture as you do here & in your other comments. You need to show where Peter, or anyone else, ever believed that water baptism could remit sins - if any did believe that, then they were not Christians saved & purchased by Christ's blood - they have not come via the Cross but by some vain imagination.

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I certainly agree that there is only one sacrifice that can save & there is only one baptism that can sanctify & bring us into the family of God. Nevertheless, water baptism as Jesus prescribed & to which all the apostles attest to was necessary as part of that salvation experience. The only ones that were exempt from water baptism, as I surmise, were the apostles who were met by the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. As well, we don't ever see the apostles speaking about their water baptism.

Every other person who has had the Gospel brought to them, who has responded to the Spirit's call upon them, is required to be baptized soon after their conversion by the one who has led them to the Lord. This of course rarely happens these days with people being baptized months or years later, which to me seems pointless & anti-scriptural.