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  • Peter on Judges 11 - 3 years ago
    Two Theories On This Biblical Account

    1. The king James bible says the following; he would offer her as burnt sacrifice, she lamented being a virgin for two months, then he did what he vowed. He vowed to offer her to the lord as a burnt sacrifice. This is the clear meaning of the language used in the King James Bible. This is sometimes confused with she was lamenting her virginity because she would have to remain celibate but this is not what the bible says and there are two primary issues.

    2. Theory 2 says he just offered her to the lord to be celibate the rest of her life. Two problems here. 1. Levitical law allows for making a trespass offering when a person makes a vow like this. Instead of sacrificing her or dedicating her to the lord to be celibate he could have just made a tress pass offering to be forgiven of a sinful or un-kept vow. Read Leviticus 5:4-6. The second problem is if he didn't sacrifice her as the bible says and just dedicated her to the lord, Levitical law also allows a person to buy back someone they previously dedicated to the lord for 30 shekels. Leviticus 27:2-4

    Honestly after being ran off by his brother Jephthah spent a lot of time out in the world and probably was not even familiar with the Levitical law any more. Not knowing the law he probably figured he was doing the right thing by sacrificing her when in reality he was not obeying god in this act, he was committing murder. The sin was making the vow in the first place and remedy was already provided for by god via a trespass offering.
  • Devin - In Reply on Judges 11 - 3 years ago
    Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just trying to understand Leviticus 5:4-6. Considering all the "fulfill your vow" verses, would Leviticus 5:4-6 mean that by giving a trespass offering, the vow is fulfilled through the offering?
  • Peter - In Reply on Judges 11 - 3 years ago
    It doesn't fulfill the vow by any means it is what God said to do when they broke a vow. He made a vow to god to kill the first thing that came through the door. A trespass offering was to be offered for failing to keep a vow.

    Example: Had he not kept his vow and had not killed his daughter, God would require a trespass offering for the sin of not keeping the vow. He should not have even made a loose vow. Vows are better not made than not kept so when making them they should be concise and genuinely kept.
  • Devin - In Reply on Judges 11 - 3 years ago
    I see. What about a vow of celibacy, if one cannot keep it, what can he/she do? Is it the same trespass offering, except that the sacrifice is Jesus?
  • Darren Croft - In Reply on Judges 11 - 3 years ago
    Celibacy is not Bible doctrine. It was made by Catholics, along with their insulting and phony Lords prayer, in a gigantic book they call a bible.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Judges 11 - 3 years ago
    As I don't want quarrel my heart leads me to reply to this statement made.

    You call the Lords prayer "insulting" and "phony"?? You discredit some books of the Holy Bible yet cling to and wrest verses to fit your own "understanding" from other portions of the Holy Bible? Stating "only one person here has knowledge of what I say" and you think I'm on high?? You tell me to keep my nose in the OT and preach "everyone shall be saved"?

    How's a prophecy from Daniel for you? Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. As I would think you know these prophecies are about the end times. It does not say everyone shall be saved and receive everlasting life. Like the heresies you are seeming to preach here.

    If what I stated will not lead you to examine yourself. If a prophecy from the OT, Daniel, is not enough to make you rethink your "understandings" you believe in. All I can do is pray for you. You are in my prayers.

    Again I posted a verse from the Holy Bible that contradicts with you posts. I am only doing this to lead you in the right direction and that is Jesus Christ. Not knowing gematria and knowing all the lies and deceptions of satan in this world. Focus on the Lord and follow Him.

    I went to that site of that man you posted saying he was real smart or something. I could only watch his video for a couple minutes after seeing how rude he was cursing others out. That is not of God.

    ( 1 John 2:15-17 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

    16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

    Set your heart on producing good fruit of the Spirit for our Father. God Bless you.
  • Carleton - In Reply on Judges 11 - 3 years ago
    True, vows are carefully made.

    Three vows that some may take and in this order is helpful. By God's grace in Christ Jesus,

    keep any of these vows that one makes.

    A believer's vow.

    A wedding vow with another free to vow believer.

    A minister/deacon vow.



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