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1 Thessalonians 4:17 And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air
My question is; I was taught that when we die, someone is coming to get us. The saved will be escorted to heaven and all others, worse. And so - if this is the case, why would the earth be opened and those dead in Christ rise and meet the living in the air? And I assume the living refers to the spirits of those saved during the Rapture. They, in the ground, already have died and their souls dealt with at that time of death. They would have received their glorified bodies at the time of judgement. I never understood this meeting in the air with those previously dealt with by heaven when they died. The purpose of it all eludes me. Their bodies would be dust and the spirits long gone to heaven and judgement.
After death, your spirit goes to be with Jesus. "Absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." The opening of the graves shows the reuniting of the body with the spirit, and the transformation of the body occurs at that time to become the immortal body.
It's a common misconception to say 'absent with the body is present with the Lord'. This idea originated from 2 Corinthians 5:8, but if you read the verse you will see it doesn't say if anyone is absent from their body that they are automatically with the Lord 100% of the time. Paul said he would "rather" be present with the Lord, or he would prefer that. Many Christians today would prefer that also. But just because you prefer something doesn't mean it will 100% guaranteed happen for 100% of all people 100% of the time, or even that it would sometimes happen. No, Paul only said he would "rather" for that to occur. Since the Bible says what it says and not what people commonly misquote, I do not interpret this as evidence to the theory that people automatically go to heaven after death. If there were other verses saying this, that would be fine, but I am not aware of any. Only taking a few verses and making an assumption about it, such as Jesus saying today he would be in paradise. Notice he did not say heaven, but paradise. They may not be the same thing.
If we are going to discuss this fairly we must consider what the rest of the Bible says on this topic.
Matthew 12:36 - People will be judged at some point on the same day. Is it likely that they are judged AFTER they go to heaven or BEFORE?
2 Corinthians 5:10 - People are judged first THEN they receive what is due.
Revelation 20:11-15 - People are all judged on the same day. Lots of people seen in the same place.
Because the Bible says this, it can't mean that people are judged immediately when they die- because not everyone is dead yet, and it can't mean that people go immediately to heaven if they aren't judged yet.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says the dead will rise and those living will meet the Lord in the air.
Would it make sense for someone to go heaven, then back to earth to rise up, then back again to heaven?
It says people will 'sleep' in-between: Job 14:12, 1 Thessalonians 4:14
All people go to heaven when they die; not all remain there. There are two parts to heaven; one side is with our Lord, the other side is a holding place like in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. They are held there to await judgement.
Old testament Eccl. 12:7,
(7) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Hi David, the Bible doesn't say anywhere that all people go to heaven immediately when they die. The one verse you posted doesn't say that, nor does the chapter say that. The Bible does say that people will sleep after they die and will await judgment day, however, and that is consistent with all the other verses in the Bible. Did you see the previous verses I posted that says that? Then people will go to heaven if they genuinely followed Jesus and followed the narrow path. It says wide is the gate that leads to destruction and hell, so most people will go there, including Christians who assume they're saved, but they're actually following the world (satan) instead of Jesus. God bless.
The Dead The Living and the RAPTURE - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 4 years ago
Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men ONCE TO DIE, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto THEM that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
> People that have passed on, are in their graves or were dispersed on the wind; hidden in deep waters. It is no problem for Jesus to fetch all of them during the Rapture.
The deceased Believers in Jesus will be
raised up first; and reunited with their born again resurrected spirits in the clouds; which are safe in heaven presently. In the blink of an eye. They will be complete in those resurrection bodies.
Their graves will be left open as a witness to those left behind on earth, that they are with God now.
Next, those born again Living believers will meet Jesus in the clouds and receive their resurrection bodies. Jesus will remove all the saints to heaven, to attend the Marriage Supper of the Bride of Christ (us) and the Bridegroom (Jesus). It's a celebration of our Covenant and future life together.
If we still have loved ones NOW that are procrastinating about escaping what is coming to the earth at that time...now is a perfect time to Evangelize them: get on your knees and pray for them every day. Break that spirit of procrastination, in Jesus Name! Ask the Lord to loose a sense of urgency into them.
All of this is in the New Testament and you need to begin reading chapters (plural) of Scripture to find them yourself so You Know what is going to happen next. Tell others who are perishing around you.
Everybody quit hoping another Billy Graham to be raised up to do it for us. It ain't happening! God wants us to do it. This is the generation of the Book of Daniel. It's us!!! Get over Bashfulness and open with an open statement: how about that Jesus Christ?! The Bible says he's coming back real soon!! Let's pray.
My question is; I was taught that when we die, someone is coming to get us. The saved will be escorted to heaven and all others, worse. And so - if this is the case, why would the earth be opened and those dead in Christ rise and meet the living in the air? And I assume the living refers to the spirits of those saved during the Rapture. They, in the ground, already have died and their souls dealt with at that time of death. They would have received their glorified bodies at the time of judgement. I never understood this meeting in the air with those previously dealt with by heaven when they died. The purpose of it all eludes me. Their bodies would be dust and the spirits long gone to heaven and judgement.
Simple question. Thats it. Thanks
If we are going to discuss this fairly we must consider what the rest of the Bible says on this topic.
Matthew 12:36 - People will be judged at some point on the same day. Is it likely that they are judged AFTER they go to heaven or BEFORE?
2 Corinthians 5:10 - People are judged first THEN they receive what is due.
Revelation 20:11-15 - People are all judged on the same day. Lots of people seen in the same place.
Because the Bible says this, it can't mean that people are judged immediately when they die- because not everyone is dead yet, and it can't mean that people go immediately to heaven if they aren't judged yet.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says the dead will rise and those living will meet the Lord in the air.
Would it make sense for someone to go heaven, then back to earth to rise up, then back again to heaven?
It says people will 'sleep' in-between: Job 14:12, 1 Thessalonians 4:14
Old testament Eccl. 12:7,
(7) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Read this whole chapter.
27 And as it is appointed unto men ONCE TO DIE, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto THEM that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
> People that have passed on, are in their graves or were dispersed on the wind; hidden in deep waters. It is no problem for Jesus to fetch all of them during the Rapture.
The deceased Believers in Jesus will be
raised up first; and reunited with their born again resurrected spirits in the clouds; which are safe in heaven presently. In the blink of an eye. They will be complete in those resurrection bodies.
Their graves will be left open as a witness to those left behind on earth, that they are with God now.
Next, those born again Living believers will meet Jesus in the clouds and receive their resurrection bodies. Jesus will remove all the saints to heaven, to attend the Marriage Supper of the Bride of Christ (us) and the Bridegroom (Jesus). It's a celebration of our Covenant and future life together.
If we still have loved ones NOW that are procrastinating about escaping what is coming to the earth at that time...now is a perfect time to Evangelize them: get on your knees and pray for them every day. Break that spirit of procrastination, in Jesus Name! Ask the Lord to loose a sense of urgency into them.
All of this is in the New Testament and you need to begin reading chapters (plural) of Scripture to find them yourself so You Know what is going to happen next. Tell others who are perishing around you.
Everybody quit hoping another Billy Graham to be raised up to do it for us. It ain't happening! God wants us to do it. This is the generation of the Book of Daniel. It's us!!! Get over Bashfulness and open with an open statement: how about that Jesus Christ?! The Bible says he's coming back real soon!! Let's pray.
May the Holy Spirit dunk us in boldness!
Mishael
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