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I have children whom I Love very much. If they had a terminal disease and I had the cure, would I cure them ALL at once...(It is Finished)...or would I make them ask me every day for a small dose (repent DAILY)? You realize you are saying that even GOD can't take away All your sin...even those of the flesh. Did you know that the blood of bulls and goats not only FORGAVE sin, but cleansed the flesh from sin for a whole year. The Good News is Remission. The Old Covenant was forgiveness. How can we be Born of God and given a New nature, and still be old sinners still with sin nature. For Jesus said that you are a slave to whom you obey. Also how can the HOLY SPIRIT dwell inside a corrupt temple. For our bodies are the temple of GOD. How about believing the Full Truth. We walk by Faith, not sight. Holy to the Lord!
Just to clarify a few things you've stated. Yes, you can cure all your children fully & everyone would rejoice in that healing. But, that cure doesn't indemnify them from contracting a further disease or illness. As people in a corrupt body, we will always be subject to physical, mental & emotional traumas, & only physical death will release us from that state. However, the Lord will give us the needed Grace to continue living & to do so joyfully & expectantly because of Who He is: our loving Heavenly Father.
My understanding of God's part in salvation is that the sin nature is never removed; if it were, then we would be sinless, as Jesus was, & which of us could make that claim. Our salvation is dependent on God's forgiveness of our sin because of His Son's Sacrifice. In that sense our sins were taken away for He no longer charges us with them nor holds them to our account. Under the Old Covenant, the blood of animals was only a temporary covering for their sin & to secure God's forgiveness each year ( Hebrews 10:4) & pointed forward when the shed Blood of Jesus would be a once only event ( Romans 6:10), Him being God's Provision of the Perfect Sacrifice that gave total efficacy.
"How can the Holy Spirit dwell inside a corrupt temple". One could also ask how could God choose to dwell between the cherubim & over the Mercy Seat in the earthly Tabernacle? God chose to be there in spite of sinful men around & on a corrupt Earth. Our temple might be corrupt & decaying, but the Spirit gives us a renewed spirit with whom He chooses to dwell beside & minister to. The old nature remains, to which Satan has his appeal, & to whom we battle day after day seeking victory over temptation & sin. For anyone to claim that they never sin after being born again, either doesn't know what sin is or is deluding themselves to believing that that is their state. And I'm not talking about a life of sin, but the sins which comes to all of us & to which we may fail to find victory.
Chris, glad to see you here! I have a question I would like for you to answer. Im confused as I read Genesis 1:27-29 . and then read Genesis 2:5.where it says there was no man to till the ground. Thanks Chris
Dear ron, I hope I could answer you question as well.
When reading Genesis 1 Carefully, it basically talks about the creation of everything out side of Garden of Eden starting from Day 1 to the 6th day. This creation includes the creation of man and women, plants and animals, as well as other creation that give detail in verse 1 and to 30. However, Genesis 2 give account of the creation of Eve and Edam, Garden of Edan, rivers and the trees and plants in it.
Therefore, let us see things this way: there are two sets of creation-a creation in a small world and a creation in a big world.
The first set of creation include human being that was not created by God using his hands as they evolved when God commend and they lived outside of the small world everywhere that is evident in, ( Genesis 4: 13-14).
Eve and Edam came form the second sets of creation and where bound to live within the smaller world which is the Garden of Eden. However, due to their disobedience, they have been forced out-Out where? Out to the big world. They being cast out ( Genesis 3: 23-24) is an evident of second set of creation that they begin to experience and lived with. Because they have been forced out to the big world, Cane fear that people would slay him-Cane fear of people is an evident to some people being created and are already present. God's account of his care and protection also accounted for second creation and evident of human being everywhere as well, ( Genesis 4: 13-14).
Therefore, there are two sets of creations: The first set evolved through God's command and lived everywhere. The second set was the specific creations that God created God lived with them, however due to disobedience they were forced out but still protect them and lived with them.
Hi Ron. Yes, we've seen similar requests that pertain to God's full 'six days' of creative Work in Genesis 1 and then we see an apparent anomaly in Genesis 2:5. Some have regarded this 'duplication' of man's creation as there being one general creation of mankind (other tribes & people) & then in 2:5, a specific creation of Adam & then Eve. This view then lends support to the apparent existence of the 'cave people' that evolutionists focus on to support mankind's present state, evolving from ape to man.
To understand Scripture in this way, then opens up a another series of questions about this 'other' creation, their relationship to God, their sin (if any), the effect of the great flood & other phenomena upon them, etc. Questions, that we don't find answers to in the Bible, nor any indication that such a dual creation ever existed, as there is never any mention or allusion to them.
My belief is that the Genesis account of creation (chapter 1) is simply to provide us with God's Work of creation over 'six days' & His cessation from creating, on the seventh. Then in chapter 2, the specifics are given, particularly in relation to His sixth day of creation: Man. Since the focus of this early part of Genesis is on Man, any amplification of the creation of the universe, the lights, or the animals had lesser importance.
So here in chapter 2, we're introduced to Adam & told that he would attend to the plants around him & grow crops, the introduction of Eve to be his companion and later in chapter 3, the appearance of Satan to test God's marvellous work. And following chapter 2 to the final Revelation, it's all about Man, his utter spiritual failure & of course, the intervention of God in demonstration of His Love in providing Himself for mankind's redemption & reception into Glory.
I hope I've dealt with your question in the way you expected. If not, then please re-submit for us to consider your further thoughts on this. Every blessing brother.
There is no evidence to a specific instruction God placed to the people he created, such as He proposed to Eve an Edam about the tree of live. However, it is only evident that only one instruction that the second creation of people supposed to followed is not to Harm Cane by looking at the sign on the forehead he placed. Because they have not been given special treatment, they lived freely out there. God's relationship with people is obvious in the sense that he created them to look after them. God revealed himself to them in a very special way. God created the people with and amongst the animals-similar to the manner God created the animals he crated the second set of human being and he looked after the animals and human being in the similar manner. The question is that, is it necessary for God to reveal himself to them as he did to the Eve and Edam.
The question about the grate flood has series of question attached to it such questions as: does the flood occur in a specific area or the entire world that could affect everything?
Opinion to justify human understanding would be contrary to what God has already designed and placed.
When there are some deviance such as ( Genesis 1, Genesis 2, Genesis 4: 13-14, Genesis 3: 23-24) to justify the two set creation and existence of people and exit out of Garden of Eden to a different sent of environment are words of the Lord in the Bible.
Xaviar, thank you for your input. So I understand, that you believe in two creations by God, though God refers to & expands on only His second creation of Adam & Eve & their descendants through Noah, to us.
You asked, "is it necessary for God to reveal himself to them as he did to the Eve and Edam." This then raises other questions in my mind & which requires more deeper thought & so I bring them to you for consideration:
a. Can this God of Love Who created mankind for Himself, then not demonstrate that Love to all of mankind, even to this 'other' creation? If He did show Love to them, would He not declare it in His Word, or should it be kept hidden from us? The Bible speaks of people of many different lands, but to omit this 'other' creation when they may be living on the same Earth as us seems peculiar & worrying.
b. Can we then assume that either this 'other' creation remained sinless or they too sinned & God didn't bother about them? If they were sinless, the Great Flood would not have affected them as the Flood was God's Judgement against wicked people. So they would have continued had descendants & today we have a set of people who might be walking around us who are sinless.
But, if they too sinned as Adam did (i.e. Satan had gone to them also), then why did not God bother to try & redeem them also to Himself, just as Jesus did for us sinners? And if Jesus' Sacrifice did apply to them also, why was this important fact kept hidden from us? And then who would have gone to them to bring them the Gospel? Or, did Jesus have to die twice, for us & them? My questions would go on & on, but I stop here.
The change that took place in Eden affected everyone. Otherwise, both creations lived same but Eve and Edam lived in a world that is protected by God and everything was free and ready for them to eat. Those that lived outside of the garden had to look for food like hunters and gathers just like animals. When Even and Edam forced out to the world, they too now have to look for food like hunter and gathers. After some times, both creations begin to settle.
However, before the disobedience (Sin), both creation experience God: even and Edam saw God face to face while the other creation fell and experience God in strange ways. They could also interact with angles. As soon as the disobedience begin, heaven separated from earth which is where Eve and Edam became part of the second world.
The separation was also experienced by the bigger world as soon as eve and edam sinned. They could feel that heaven separated from them and went away. They could no longer experience God in full presence and hey could not see the angles again.
The bigger world did not know at all what is sin about. However, evil begin to spread to them as well and wars begin over land between the tribes and clans. But Eve and Edam begin to communicated with God through to their generations. They begin to inter-marriage with the first set of creation and teach them about God and God's laws. This is where the first set of creation learn about God.
In place where inter-marriage was not possible between God's people and the other people, may still live the same life. Some people in Amazon and some people in Pacific especially Papua New Guinea (PNG) are classic examples.
Missionaries clearly experience the difference between the first set of creation in those areas (Amazon and PNG). They still lived a primitive life interacting with nature-they are not advanced like the Israelites.
The flood took place only in Israel to punish those that bound to follow the law and word of God, rest was not affected.
That was very interesting to read Xaviar. From where did you learn about this other race of people? I can't find anything about them in the Bible. And you say, "However, before the disobedience (Sin), both creation experience God: even and Edam saw God face to face while the other creation fell and experience God in strange ways."
If the 'other creation fell' (into sin?) how did they fall? If Satan came to them also, as he did to Adam & Eve, then did God not bother with them - or does that mean that this other creation wasn't important to Him as Adam was? Maybe they were more animal than human, & if this so, then we know that animals don't have the ability to sin.
Or, if Satan didn't approach them, then they must be sinless as sin can only come from Satan or transmitted through the Adamic bloodline - so we must have some sinless descendants from this 'other creation' still walking around in this world. You also wrote that "evil begin to spread to them as well". How then can it spread?
So many questions I have for you, that I can't find answers to in the Bible. I await your reply expectantly.
The flood covered the whole world. Come to my place and I will take you up on a high mountain and we will dug some soil up and we will find seashells. You probably can do it where you live. Go to the highest point that you can find and dig a little and you will also find seashells.
Thanks Chris. Not to flatter you, but your answers are always so helpful. I have read many of your comments to others and am always blessed by them. Blessings on you and your family. Merry Christmas !
My understanding of God's part in salvation is that the sin nature is never removed; if it were, then we would be sinless, as Jesus was, & which of us could make that claim. Our salvation is dependent on God's forgiveness of our sin because of His Son's Sacrifice. In that sense our sins were taken away for He no longer charges us with them nor holds them to our account. Under the Old Covenant, the blood of animals was only a temporary covering for their sin & to secure God's forgiveness each year ( Hebrews 10:4) & pointed forward when the shed Blood of Jesus would be a once only event ( Romans 6:10), Him being God's Provision of the Perfect Sacrifice that gave total efficacy.
"How can the Holy Spirit dwell inside a corrupt temple". One could also ask how could God choose to dwell between the cherubim & over the Mercy Seat in the earthly Tabernacle? God chose to be there in spite of sinful men around & on a corrupt Earth. Our temple might be corrupt & decaying, but the Spirit gives us a renewed spirit with whom He chooses to dwell beside & minister to. The old nature remains, to which Satan has his appeal, & to whom we battle day after day seeking victory over temptation & sin. For anyone to claim that they never sin after being born again, either doesn't know what sin is or is deluding themselves to believing that that is their state. And I'm not talking about a life of sin, but the sins which comes to all of us & to which we may fail to find victory.
When reading Genesis 1 Carefully, it basically talks about the creation of everything out side of Garden of Eden starting from Day 1 to the 6th day. This creation includes the creation of man and women, plants and animals, as well as other creation that give detail in verse 1 and to 30. However, Genesis 2 give account of the creation of Eve and Edam, Garden of Edan, rivers and the trees and plants in it.
Therefore, let us see things this way: there are two sets of creation-a creation in a small world and a creation in a big world.
The first set of creation include human being that was not created by God using his hands as they evolved when God commend and they lived outside of the small world everywhere that is evident in, ( Genesis 4: 13-14).
Eve and Edam came form the second sets of creation and where bound to live within the smaller world which is the Garden of Eden. However, due to their disobedience, they have been forced out-Out where? Out to the big world. They being cast out ( Genesis 3: 23-24) is an evident of second set of creation that they begin to experience and lived with. Because they have been forced out to the big world, Cane fear that people would slay him-Cane fear of people is an evident to some people being created and are already present. God's account of his care and protection also accounted for second creation and evident of human being everywhere as well, ( Genesis 4: 13-14).
Therefore, there are two sets of creations: The first set evolved through God's command and lived everywhere. The second set was the specific creations that God created God lived with them, however due to disobedience they were forced out but still protect them and lived with them.
To understand Scripture in this way, then opens up a another series of questions about this 'other' creation, their relationship to God, their sin (if any), the effect of the great flood & other phenomena upon them, etc. Questions, that we don't find answers to in the Bible, nor any indication that such a dual creation ever existed, as there is never any mention or allusion to them.
My belief is that the Genesis account of creation (chapter 1) is simply to provide us with God's Work of creation over 'six days' & His cessation from creating, on the seventh. Then in chapter 2, the specifics are given, particularly in relation to His sixth day of creation: Man. Since the focus of this early part of Genesis is on Man, any amplification of the creation of the universe, the lights, or the animals had lesser importance.
So here in chapter 2, we're introduced to Adam & told that he would attend to the plants around him & grow crops, the introduction of Eve to be his companion and later in chapter 3, the appearance of Satan to test God's marvellous work. And following chapter 2 to the final Revelation, it's all about Man, his utter spiritual failure & of course, the intervention of God in demonstration of His Love in providing Himself for mankind's redemption & reception into Glory.
I hope I've dealt with your question in the way you expected. If not, then please re-submit for us to consider your further thoughts on this. Every blessing brother.
The question about the grate flood has series of question attached to it such questions as: does the flood occur in a specific area or the entire world that could affect everything?
Opinion to justify human understanding would be contrary to what God has already designed and placed.
When there are some deviance such as ( Genesis 1, Genesis 2, Genesis 4: 13-14, Genesis 3: 23-24) to justify the two set creation and existence of people and exit out of Garden of Eden to a different sent of environment are words of the Lord in the Bible.
You asked, "is it necessary for God to reveal himself to them as he did to the Eve and Edam." This then raises other questions in my mind & which requires more deeper thought & so I bring them to you for consideration:
a. Can this God of Love Who created mankind for Himself, then not demonstrate that Love to all of mankind, even to this 'other' creation? If He did show Love to them, would He not declare it in His Word, or should it be kept hidden from us? The Bible speaks of people of many different lands, but to omit this 'other' creation when they may be living on the same Earth as us seems peculiar & worrying.
b. Can we then assume that either this 'other' creation remained sinless or they too sinned & God didn't bother about them? If they were sinless, the Great Flood would not have affected them as the Flood was God's Judgement against wicked people. So they would have continued had descendants & today we have a set of people who might be walking around us who are sinless.
But, if they too sinned as Adam did (i.e. Satan had gone to them also), then why did not God bother to try & redeem them also to Himself, just as Jesus did for us sinners? And if Jesus' Sacrifice did apply to them also, why was this important fact kept hidden from us? And then who would have gone to them to bring them the Gospel? Or, did Jesus have to die twice, for us & them? My questions would go on & on, but I stop here.
The change that took place in Eden affected everyone. Otherwise, both creations lived same but Eve and Edam lived in a world that is protected by God and everything was free and ready for them to eat. Those that lived outside of the garden had to look for food like hunters and gathers just like animals. When Even and Edam forced out to the world, they too now have to look for food like hunter and gathers. After some times, both creations begin to settle.
However, before the disobedience (Sin), both creation experience God: even and Edam saw God face to face while the other creation fell and experience God in strange ways. They could also interact with angles. As soon as the disobedience begin, heaven separated from earth which is where Eve and Edam became part of the second world.
The separation was also experienced by the bigger world as soon as eve and edam sinned. They could feel that heaven separated from them and went away. They could no longer experience God in full presence and hey could not see the angles again.
The bigger world did not know at all what is sin about. However, evil begin to spread to them as well and wars begin over land between the tribes and clans. But Eve and Edam begin to communicated with God through to their generations. They begin to inter-marriage with the first set of creation and teach them about God and God's laws. This is where the first set of creation learn about God.
In place where inter-marriage was not possible between God's people and the other people, may still live the same life. Some people in Amazon and some people in Pacific especially Papua New Guinea (PNG) are classic examples.
Missionaries clearly experience the difference between the first set of creation in those areas (Amazon and PNG). They still lived a primitive life interacting with nature-they are not advanced like the Israelites.
The flood took place only in Israel to punish those that bound to follow the law and word of God, rest was not affected.
If the 'other creation fell' (into sin?) how did they fall? If Satan came to them also, as he did to Adam & Eve, then did God not bother with them - or does that mean that this other creation wasn't important to Him as Adam was? Maybe they were more animal than human, & if this so, then we know that animals don't have the ability to sin.
Or, if Satan didn't approach them, then they must be sinless as sin can only come from Satan or transmitted through the Adamic bloodline - so we must have some sinless descendants from this 'other creation' still walking around in this world. You also wrote that "evil begin to spread to them as well". How then can it spread?
So many questions I have for you, that I can't find answers to in the Bible. I await your reply expectantly.
There are some mistake from the beginning of the message posted where it needs careful look.
This is where the mistake is "though God refers to & expands on only"
This could also be another mistake " His second creation of Adam & Eve & their descendants through Noah, to us."
The term "US" or "through to US" require a lot of explanation. Bringing yourself to them.
You need to find out more about Noah's flood. Is it only in Israel or covers entire world?
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