Bible Discussion Thread

I had an older woman, whom states she is a Christian, state that when you die, that your soul goes into Hades (she stated that Hades was in Heaven) where you rest until the Rapture and then the soul returns to the body on earth....

2 Corinthians 5:6

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be PRESENT with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:9

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Colossians 2:5

For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

Michael:

When an unbeliever in our Savior Jesus Christ, dies physically: the body resides wherever loved ones buried it, or where it fell dead. The soul separates from it and is kept in a holding place until the Great White Throne Judgment occurs.

Christians that die; their physical bodies lay in a grave or wherever they died: and await the Shout of Jesus at the moment of the Rapture. Jesus will transform them into the resurrection body: body, soul, spirit.

[In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43) ]

Now that you know these things; what are you going to do about Jesus?

Matt.24, Luke 21

2 Corinthians 5:6

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be PRESENT with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:9

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Colossians 2:5

For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

Michael:

When an unbeliever in our Savior Jesus Christ, dies physically: the body resides wherever loved ones buried it, or where it fell dead. The soul separates from it and is kept in a holding place until the Great White Throne Judgment occurs.

Christians that die; their physical bodies lay in a grave or wherever they died: and await the Shout of Jesus at the moment of the Rapture. Jesus will transform them into the resurrection body: body, soul, spirit.

[In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43) ]

Now that you know these things; what are you going to do about Jesus?

Matt.24, Luke 21

The lady was probably referring to the (true) story of the rich man & Lazarus, found in Luke 16:19-31. Here we find that both the rich man & the poor beggar Lazarus had died & were both found in Hades (Hell), though there was a gulf (a separation) between them. Presumably, the part in which the rich man was placed, was a place of torment & the other part where Lazarus was in, was free of pain & torment. And we also note that Abraham was here too. So even when their dead bodies were on Earth, they were still recognizable in the after-life.

Apart from this account, we have little else to support a full & proper teaching of the after-life, as it existed before Jesus gave His Life for us on the Cross. I couldn't be certain of that part of Hades - though my sense is that it was not in Heaven but in the lower parts of the Earth. But post crucifixion & resurrection of Jesus, the righteous would have been taken away to Heaven based on their faith looking forward to their sin's payment by Jesus.

In this regard, the Apostle Paul said in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8, "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord...We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." This tells me that Paul believed & expected that after his death, his next view would be of his Lord & Saviour being carried into His Presence. And Paul was familiar with Heaven, the sights there & the words he heard, having been given such a vision that he felt constrained to remain quiet about it: 2 Corinthians 12:1-5.

So at the Rapture of the saints, we understand that their remains on Earth will be raised up from death to life & reconnected with their spirits at Christ's return for them & as also the living believers. That's my understanding; there will be other beliefs by others.