Bible Discussion Thread

Jesus was without sin came to earth sinless and yes had gone through same as mankind!we were born into original sin and continue to sin ..that said if God was made in the flesh like man God could have never sinned?man cannot do that God was able to resist every temptation man cannot so how is it that we were on equal ground up against a sinful man to God who was sinless?how is it he became man when he was sinless we could never do that so God was man except for one thing sinless?so he was not entirely man ???

"original sin" is not a Biblical doctrine. We are not born sinners, we are born innocent and choose to sin. There is not one Bible verse that says we are born with a sin nature.

Chad, may the Spirit grace you with his (spiritual) understanding and his (spiritual) wisdom.

Romans 8:20 For the creature (creation) was made subject to vanity, not willing, but by reason of him (the creator) who hath subjected the same (creation), in hope.

Eve sinned because she was created subject to vanity.

All flesh sins because we were created subject to vanity; but we were also created in hope.

Romans 8:21 Because the creature (creation) itself shall be delivered (by the creator) from the bondage of corruption into the glorious LIBERTY of the children of God.

Job 15:14 What is man (flesh), that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?

Job 25:4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman (flesh)?

G

Psalm 51:5, "Behold, I was SHAPEN IN INIQUITY; and in sin did my mother conceive me."

Ephesians 2:3, "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and WERE BY NATURE the children of wrath, even as others."

In the Psalm, David believes that it was from the womb that iniquity (sin) was what characterized his being. He knew that the sin nature from Adam was passed onto him from that point of conception & it was not from anything he did later in life.

In Ephesians, Paul speaks of "by nature" we were the children of (God's) Wrath. The Greek for this word is 'phusis' which means: nature, inherent nature, origin, birth. Again, we were already condemned to physical death by having that sin nature, but when sin was made alive by our first act of sin, our only hope of salvation & eternal life rested upon God's Mercy upon fallen man.

I tried to think of my very first act of sin as a child, given that most of our memories are now mostly absent. I was about 5 yrs of age, my sister, 2 yrs old. She was given a small chocolate bar from our Mother & I wasn't. I didn't have the time or capacity at that age to consider whether I should choose to react in a sinful way or make a concerted effort to resist sin's temptation. I reacted by grabbing it from her causing her to howl. Why did I do that to her? The sin nature in me manifested itself in the most appropriate & prescribed way & will always do no matter our age, except for our wills & the Spirit's help (if we are believers), to either abstain from it or allow it.

He was fully man and fully God. Hard to comprehend of course. He seemed to chose not to use God-like qualities except for rare occasions to heal, perform miracles. He could have easily called 10,000 angels to avoid his crucifixion, but didn't. Matthew 26:53 He also fully experienced emotions of man- like stress- sweating blood, etc.

Curtis, that's a very good observation & comments. This is my take on it: I can see that you understand about man's creation, his sin & that this nature was transmitted to each of his progeny, including us, so will deal less with that.

So how was Jesus' coming any different? Was Jesus not fully Man? Firstly, in 1 Corinthians 15:45, Paul refers to Jesus as the "last Adam" & even though he was writing in respect to death & resurrection in that passage, that phrase is worth noting & expanding. The coming of Jesus was similar to that of Adam & yet different. Adam was a 'fresh' creation by God from the 'dust of the ground'; Jesus was & is the "Word of God made human". Both the first & last Adams were made by God except for their origins (one earthy, the other spiritual). Both were created perfect & sinless - one however succumbed to Satan's convincing arguments, the Other, withstood Satan by His (Jesus') Own Word, as God's Word.

When Satan comes to Adam's progeny with the temptation to sin, we provide no resistance to him as the sin nature was transmitted to us all & it becomes a 'given' that we WILL sin. At Jesus' temptation, Satan had to create the sin nature in Him just as he did to Adam, but Jesus withstood him thus being the perfect & fully acceptable Sacrifice for our sins. Indeed, God could have wiped us all out for our disobedience & sin nature within, but in His Love & Mercy, He gave us a way out: His chance for our escape.

So if Jesus was the only sinless One ever to walk on Earth, was He then entirely Man as we are? His coming in the flesh was through a human agency unlike Adam's creation. Jesus' conception in Mary was from the Seed of God not from the dust of the ground (i.e. a new Adam made in the womb). He was a full human embryo in Mary & brought into the World in the usual way to fulfil the prophecies about His coming & His lineage to David & to Adam. Jesus was perfectly Man in every way (physically, emotionally & spiritually) BUT without sin.

Thank you so much for explaining that for me!I always wondered?ive lead a sinful life but at 8 years old I made a promise to pray to God and have that I can remember?between heroin abuse and alcohol and anything that would get me out of body?but everything I tried many times couldn't stop but I sincerely ran to the lord and been healed of everything I've ever put before him this is abuse in every facet for over 30 years and 3 rehabs but last almost didn't make it!bless and praise Gods name I know how real he is and what he does it's give it to him and forget it!the lord does the rest no question about how long or if he can just total trust!thought I'd share that with you I went to church and bible studies twice Sundays and Wednesday Thursday but I live very rurally and miss Gods people so so much bible says don't forsake the assembly well I know why?big time!so with that I thank you once again and may the lord bless the ministry in abundance!in Gods love Curtis

You certainly have been through so much in your life & we can certainly see the Work of God in you to help you in your release from the things that have controlled you. Thank you for that testimony of God's Grace & to know that you're experiencing the Power & Love of God in ways that many fail to experience or even notice.

He's always there for you & His Spirit within you will ever be your strength, comfort, guide & companion. The Word is there for you & to keep in your heart: "Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not." Jeremiah 33:3. And it's particularly at those lowest times in life, that a 'shout out' to the Lord brings forth His Word of Peace & Comfort (the great & mighty things which the world can never know) but becomes the reason for your joy & strengthening of faith in the One Who gave Himself for you. The Lord bless you & keep you strong in faith & in His Love, Curtis, & write in if you need to - someone's always around to help.

I thank you and glory to God he is faithful and more real than anything I can see!id like if you could pray for my son that God would send him a suitable mate..he had to quit school in 8th grade for social anxiety disorder so the few he meats are definitely unevenly yolked as God says we should be!for good reason?but these two are so lonely there willing to put up with worldly attitudes and ways as opposed to loneliness!also people I indirectly know that have Cancer and my wife on Friday getting many teeth removed not only will be painful but be hard on self esteem!God says when two or more are gathered in my name there shall I be!so I ask your help through our lord ?in Gods Love Curtis and I pray for your ministry in these times right from hell!God blessCurtis

I certainly will do, Curtis. The Lord is well able to minister His Help & Blessing even when we can't see clearly the road ahead. Our faith is the trigger for His action & outcome. I hope your son is also trusting the Lord for his need, or if not, then you are able to be beside him to guide & counsel him in this very important lifelong decision. And that all will proceed well for your wife & that in good time, she will be able to have dentures that will fit & work well for her. Often, some of the greatest help one can receive from us, is just to be there for those in pain & to share that burden with them. When it's borne all by oneself, then it may become unbearable, so your presence, your words of comfort & assurance & your prayers will be for their joy & healing. The Lord help you too as you share the load of your loved ones.