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  • Andrew on Philippians 2 - 3 years ago
    Does anyone know why so many believe that Lucifer is actually Satan?
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Philippians 2 - 3 years ago
    Because the word of god said He was before he changed.
  • Andrew - In Reply on Philippians 2 - 3 years ago
    Isaiah 14:12

    How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    (12) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!-The word for Lucifer is, literally, the shining one, the planet Venus, the morning star, the son of the dawn, as the symbol of the Babylonian power, which was so closely identified with astrolatry. "Lucifer" etymologically gives the same meaning, and is used by Latin poets (Tibull. i., 10, 62) for Venus, as an equivalent for the phsphoros of the Greeks. The use of the word, however, in medival Latin as a name of Satan, whose fall was supposed to be shadowed forth in this and the following verse, makes its selection here singularly unfortunate. Few English readers realise the fact that it is the king of Babylon, and not the devil, who is addressed as Lucifer. While this has been the history of the Latin word, its Greek and English equivalents have risen to a higher place, and the "morning star" has become a name of the Christ ( Revelation 22:16).

    Rick,

    Just curious! Where in the Bible does it say that lucifer is Satan? As you mentioned in your latest post.

    Thank you,

    Andrew
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Philippians 2 - 3 years ago
    The different names in Gods word for the devil or satan or the detroyer or the tempter or the serpent and their are others, lucifer at one time was Gods right hand angel and decided usurp Gods authority but these are all descriptions of his different functions, ie father of lies, angel of light. Keep in mind not all angels are good, the meaning of angel is messenger so in regards to that the source must be determined.
  • Norman Walker Butch - In Reply on Philippians 2 - 3 years ago
    I have always thought the same thing and I would also like a answer. Thanks!
  • Andrew - In Reply on Philippians 2 - 3 years ago
    The name Lucifer is only mentioned once in the Bible ( Isaiah 14:12). And if the time is take to examine and study this entire chapter one would discover that the context that this reference is made in regard to the King of Babylon.
  • Rod - In Reply on Philippians 2 - 3 years ago
    Revelations 12 I believe confirms what Rick is saying, I hope this helps

    Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nation

    Revelation Chapter 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Philippians 2 - 3 years ago
    Hey Rod its Rick thanks didn't want to get into all that guess I should have for clarification.



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