Bible Discussion Thread

Hiya Steven and Chris no pun intented what i was impling is that Chris was saying that water baptism H20 makes our conscience clean which is not so we are made Clean our Conscience BY the WATER of the WORD which is Baptism of the H.G. That living water, baptism of the H.G the well of water that springs up unto everlasting life not h20 baptism . Remember Jesus Knew that all of his disciples had been washed, water baptised but he warns them IF I WASH THEE NOT YOU WILL HAVE NO PART WITH ME Which is baptism of the H.G. the water of the LIVING word ,you are made CLEAN BY THE WORD I HAVE SPOKEN UNTO YOU which is H.G BAPTISM. NOT WATER BAPTISM AS THEY ALL HAD BEEN WATER BAPTISED PREVIOUSLY. But Jesus tells his own disciples that had been water baptised IF i wash thee not you will have NOPART with me which speaks volumes of a greater baptism of the blood th BAPTISM OF THE H.G. THE CROSS. that baptism OF Promise. That makes the blood of no effect to say that water baptism can cleanse our conscience its like saying the Blood of the Cross was insufficent . Thats y the Lord was so upset with PETER SAYING THEY WERE NOT CLEAN YET THEY STILL NEEDED WATER BAPTISM IN ACTS 10. And God showed peter in a trance that what i have made clean( God was baptising folks with the H.G. that resulted from the blood) The only cleanser, do not call common or unclean. K

To be born again, we go through the following: #1. Confess & repent on our sins, accept Jesus as our God and Savior;

#2. Water baptism - immersion equal to death to sins, rising from water - new birth; #3. God baptized us with the Holy Spirit - we become children of God; #4. Holy Spirit leads us to the perfection tests or sanctification - we go through trials, all sorts of problems - God uses these to test & grow our faith, purge us from our old sinful nature, prideful self-centered desires of the flesh, in order to mold us in the image and likeness of Jesus. This is the same perfection process our Lord Jesus (dual nature as God and man) as a man, not as God, so you and I can emulate.

This is an ongoing process that we go through to keep us holy until the second coming of our Lord Jesus.

My brother Robert,

I am very confused on why you curse those who believe in God as triune or three in One. Yet you seem to believe that Jesus is "dual nature". As you state. All God and all Man. Which is the same thing. Dual is consisting of "two" parts. Again proven throughout the gospels that Jesus was not speaking to or praying to Himself. He was praying to His Father in Heaven who sent Him, was with Him, and in Him. As God is Spirit. They being One.

So it seems ok with you for two as you state "dual nature".

I will humbly ask you to please explain one verse my brother. Please help us understand your view.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

So the dual nature of Jesus which is God(Spirit) and flesh. The Word is what became flesh and we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the Father. Plus the Holy Ghost equals three. Exactly as ( 1 John 5:7 states. All of One God.

May the Lord bring us together in peace. Amen.

Brother Richard, please see my response to Brother Adam - as I have similar response to you.

My brother Robert,

Well at least thank you for replying to me. Although you gave no answer to the one question I asked about the verse. That the the Spirit of Truth shall not speak of himself but what he shall hear. That's ok though. Nobody knows everything.

The reply you gave to brother Adam doesn't answer anything, for me, really. I know of many names that are of God Almighty(Father) that are not of Jesus Christ and vice versa. As you stated there are some they both use.

John 20:17 is good: Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus stating "go to my brethren". Is God our Father or Brother? I call God Father just as Jesus Christ did. Since receiving the Holy Spirit of adoption from Him.

Here's one passage in the old testament speaking of a Father and Son. Proverbs 30:4

And one about Gods Servant or Elect One. Isaiah 42:1

Just a couple names referring to the Father and not Jesus Christ: The Most High, Lord of Hosts, Ancient of Days, God of gods, The Vine Grower, Our Father which art in Heaven etc.

Some names referring to Jesus Christ not God the Father: The Son of God, The Anointed One(Christ or Messiah), High Priest, The Bread of Life, Mediator between God and men, The Vine, Lamb of God, Chief corner Stone etc.

And of coarse many names both the Father and Son share. As they are One in each other. Although I do not believe the Son is the Father and the Father is the Son as you do.

Either way I have no problem with how you portray our Lord. I respect you either way. That you are with Jesus Christ our Salvation. That is the important part. I hope you don't think less of me, or us who perceive differently, brother. May our Lord Bless you with peace and good health. Amen.