Bible Discussion Thread

Question: is Isaiah 6:1 a Vision of God the Father or Jesus Christ or Both.

I was always tought this:

God is God.

God is Jesus.

Jesus is Jesus.

Jesus is God.

God is The Holy Spirit.

Jesus is The Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is The Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is God.

The Holy Spirit is Jesus.

Since you know the whole Trinity thing. Father, Son, and The Holy Spirit.

I think this chapter in particular is a vision that Isaiah had. Sort of like when John had his vision that led to him writing Revelation.

Just a thought. I hope I got that right. I dread being a bearer of false information. Can someone check to make sure this is right?

The vision may be of the future, resurrected Jesus Christ, transfigured as Son of Man, and may be predicting his descent (coming again) as the gospel says. The vision is seated, and referred in the masculine (His robe). The train of His robe are those saved, and there are many of them. Clearly Isaiah is terrified, but in crying out, recognising his guilt, he is saved. Although a mighty prophet, he is not permitted to explicitely predict the fulfillment of God's Law in The Crucifixion, instead predicting Messiah in terms that were concealed truths. (In the future, such salvation as Isaiah experienced will happen until The Day of Judgement, when many will not be saved, as they have closed their minds to what The Resurrection implies for the human race).

God, the Father (Creator) demands that no man made attempt be made to depict Him visually. Although Isaiah's vision is obviously not a man made object, the Book of Revelation Ch 5 v6:7 appears to be differentiating visions of God The Father (seated)and God The Son (standing). This might make you think that Isaiah saw The Creator seated on His throne.

So I'm sitting on the fence, but I think the question is excellent.

There's plenty of scriptures to make what you said powerful. Bless you.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.

[ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]

I scribbled all the scripture references inside my Bible cover.

If you are here in the flesh, you are " born again ". For you came from above, threw water , an into flesh ,..

Glenn, if that's the case, why did Jesus tell Nicodemus ( John 3:7), that he had to be born again, if Nicodemus was already standing before Jesus in the flesh? Did he have to come forth a second time? That's the problem that Jesus was dealing with - with a confused Nicodemus.

Correct,.. " marvel not ". For he was born again,.. for he was flesh , meaning, he came from above, threw water , an into flesh ,..

Hi Glenn. I think you meant to write: "incorrect", because what you've stated & what I've stated are totally different. I understand that you wrote (& I could have misunderstood you), that rebirth means 'coming in the flesh'. Whereas, I believe Jesus wasn't speaking of a fleshly birth (as Nicodemus erroneously thought), but of a spiritual birth. Our spirits are naturally dead towards God because of original sin being transmitted ( Ephesians 2:1-3), but through Jesus' Sacrifice & the subsequent impartation of His Holy Spirit, our dead spirits God-ward are awakened (made alive) & joined to the Holy Spirit Who then causes the workings of God to be manifested in & through the believer ( Romans 6:11). That is how I understand re-birth: of our spirits made new by God - not a fleshly birth.

Personally speaking when affliction is at our door , one must know that their redemption is ever before them. This redemption in the shed blood of Christ. This blood even on the alter of the most high God the Father of the Son, who we worship and glorify !He is forever the King of glory , even now before the prophet, even now unto those who believe these things! No matter the affliction ,one must stay focused on the universal and know, it is impossible for Him to lie! His promise is ,even as he fills the universe. That all power and glory come in and through Him!