Bible Discussion Thread

Can you explain the trinity?

It's a heresy invented 300 years after the scriptures of the New Testament. Many believe it and are confused among themselves about it .

Show me a verse in the Bible where the deity of Christ has any importance?

The Jews called Jesus a blasphemer for saying he is the son of God , but for a trintarian that's not good enough ! Go figure .

Jesus is the Son of God , if that was really understood then the trinity doctrine would be recognized for what it is . Unbiblical at least .

Hi Rodney, "Rodney you say the jews called out Jesus for blasphemy for him saying was the son of God and for the trintarians that's not good enough" are you suggesting that the jews was right? have you noticed they had no problem calling him son of David? was he David son? Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?

And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? Perhaps they use son different in scripture than we do, We also loose a little in the English translation, but they got the message, He presented his deity,. John 10:30-33 (KJV) I and my Father are one.

Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Believing in Jesus deity may not be a requirement for salvation, but once you're saved and begin to grow revelation through the spirit should reveal that to you. I believe we stunt our growth when we come to a conclusion about a matter and spend a life time searching the scripture to try to prove whether its right or wrong and ignore telling scriptures like John 1:1. Regardless it shouldn't cause hatred between the brothern if it does thats a greater issue. God bless be peaceful.

That was a spot-on answer Steven, straight from the Word of God, without dispute. One would have to avoid a lot of pertinent Scriptures to give support to another view. Keep on digging!

Thanks Chris, God bless you

A description from one of my bible study books from my youth, "The only true God is the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, three distinct Persons in one divine Being" I watch Billy Graham on a regular basis, and he explained it in one of his sermons as water; you have liquid, ice, and vapor. three separate forms but one of the same as in H2O. There is God the Father, the Word was made flesh (Jesus) for our salvation through the cross, and the Holy Ghost guides us to the cross (conscience) This I know is hard to understand if at all with our finite minds, but nowhere in the bible does it say that we must understand, but only believe (faith). I've submitted a few verses of scripture to support what I'm trying to say but there are several others throughout the NT starting with Matthew1:18, I hope this helps you

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Comments by Alex about Exodus 3 v 15 God told Moses that his name was Abraham Issac and Jacob and my memorial to ALL generations, God was plainly telling Moses that his Kingdom was a type of Abraham Issac and Jacob that was gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven BUT THAT HIS Kingdom was 3 Just as Abraham Issac and Jacob were 3 but wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven . Thus an Israel of God wd be on the horizon. That was the great Promise when God swore by his very self that CHRIST a type of Issac that was offered up wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven thus the sower and his precious seed the word, resulting in an ISRAEL OF GOD which answers to the Woman in rev. 12 and her seed which are spirits thats y Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirts thats the H.G. the children of Promise the multiplication of Christ in US SINNERS ,i.e our heavenly birth via his seed THUS GODS GRANSONS, th babes and the sucklings Jesus spoke of that wd praise God perfectly. They are Gods Gransons being they are the CHILDREN OF JESUS, Its JESUS that sows that good seed IN US resulting in the birth of the H.G. IN US. Remember his breath was his word thus his seed thus Jesus is the father of the H.G. They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin he has a seed to sow in humanity. Remember that great Promise I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven. Jesus is gonna multiply himself in US with his precious seed the WORD . My lil children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you which is the H.G th CHild of PROMISE , THAT ISRAEL OF GOD VIA THE SEED OF Christ. Gods gransons. The weaned Child and the sucking Children that is gonna lead us all into all truth that isaiah 11 tells us of in that last day. Thus there is a baby Christ in our future, thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN which is mans kinds fruit unto God the children of PROMISE TH H.G. The woman in Rev. 12 is the direct result of the sower and his seed a baby Christ in US.

God tells Isaac that he will multiple his seed, Genesis 26:3 "Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; " Genesis 26:4 "And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;"

God is God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; Exodus 3:6 "Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."

Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?"

Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." Exodus 3:15 "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."

Matthew 1:18 "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

Comments by Alex about who is Jesus Spritual Mother. i.e who is gonna birth Christ in their hearts and minds and every fiber of their being. Who is truly gonna be bornagain of an incoruptible seed, its the world, simply b/c that good seed is gona be sown in all the world Jesus said the field was the world where that good seed wd be sown ,When that Woman was Praising Mary Jesus said rather blessed are them that hear the WORD and keeps it. Who is my Mother them that hears the Word that good seed and keeps it. Which proves that he is gonna impregnate the world with his precious seed . Our Child is the H.G. from his words/seeds . Whosoever receives one such child in MY NAME receives me. As we have borne the image of the earthly we must also bear the image of the HEAVENLY ( being born from above ) Remember he always refered to himself as the son of man. later

To the best of my understanding, it seems to be that God can be understood as 3 entities(God the Father, God the Son, The Holy Spirit) who are 1 in heart, so they are the same in the sense that they would make the same decisions, and feel the same way. I find it difficult to fully grasp as well, but I suppose we won't fully grasp it until we go to heaven, but maybe someone can do a better job explaining it than I did.

do you have any scripture to support that he is going to impregnate the world with his precious seed, or our child is the HG, I can't find any. thanks

When the Word was made flesh (Jesus), John 1:14 he came to publish God's Word and suffer on the cross for our salvation and before he was crucified, he preached to his apostles that he would send the Comforter Acts 2:4 after he goes to the Father, John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

Matthew 13:24 "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:" Matthew 13:37 "He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;" Matthew 13:38 "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;" Matthew 13:39 "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels." Matthew 13:40 "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world." Matthew 13:43 "Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

Luke 11:27 "And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 "But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."

I'm not sure I understand your question, but perhaps these verses are what you're looking for.

Acts 13:52

John 16:7

Hi M

I totally agree with you on the God the Father, God the Son and Holy Ghost, my apology my reply was meant to Alex, error on my part.

Rod, Please notice that Alex neglects/omits mention of Jesus on the cross paying for our sins. He is apostate, heretical and most sadly lost. He rants, but has preconceived notions he wants to justify, which counter much scripture. We are warned of such people and it should not surprise us to see such people here, as a fowl sent only to steal away the truth God has sown. Try as we might to get through to him for the sake of his soul, he rejects truth. As long as he blasphemes it indicates a heart unprepared by God. As in our case, only God can save, and our efforts on his behalf are better spent at prayer. Never the less, open rebuke here on the very same site, serves to put other people on notice of the error he is teaching.

Comments by Alex about the parable of the sower and his precious seed the living Words of God. Whenever ya read about the sower and his seed remember that great PROMISE that God the FATHER made to Christ his SON. He wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven and God was so passionate about this Promise that he swore by his very self and that is y we have the parable of the sower and his seed. Via this precious seed Christ will be multiplied as the stars of heaven, Its God himself that wants a posterity as Christ was the 1st born of many brethren. thats y Jesus said to whom the word came it made them Gods which is the H.G. The Israel of God. Now unto abraham and his seed was the PROMISE made but he says not unto seeds plural ( natural israel ) but unto 1 seed which is CHRIST the Israel of God, thus its Christ that is gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven thus the sower and his precious seed thus there is a baby Christ in our near future, as Jesus said the good seed are the children of the Kingdom ( the babes and sucklings ) that are gonna be born in US SINNERS. our fruit unto God etc. B/C of that good seed Christ is gonna be born in US SINNERS Remember the field is the world where that good seed will be sown . Thats y Jesus refers to the H.G as the Children of Promise, Behold me and the Children the lord has given ME. The Promise was that Christ wd be multiplied as stars of heaven. And the H.G. fulfils that Promise as he is the results of our new birth via the seed of Christ the CHILD OF Promise. Long ago Isaiah said a lil CHILD was gonna lead us and he refers to them as the weaned child and the sucking child they will not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain. Knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas. k

Comments by Alex about the Sower and his seed which answers to that great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven thus he will sire heavenly Children which are spirits a baby CHRIST, Thats y he has to know us they don't call him the bridegroon for nothin he wants to multiply himself in HUMANITY with his Word the seed of the Kingdom. Thats y he is saying these things are HID FROM THE WISE AND PRUDENT but revealed unto Babes our fruit from his seed the Word a baby God . That which is born of the spirit is spirit as god is spirit .Remember God ALMIGHTY swore by himself when he made that great PROMISE OF MULTIPLICATION. And thats is y the woman in Rev. 12 is giving birth after the book is opened AND THE CONTENTS OF THAT BOOK ARE THE LIVING WORDS, the seeds of the sower the words of God that new covenant, thats y they sang a new song. Many prophets and righteous men have desired to see the things you see and hear the things you hear but heard them not Hear ye there fore the parable of the sower and his seed. I will open my mouth in a PARABLE and utter things hid from the foundation of the world. ( the babes and sucklings ) The children of PROMISE his offspring via his seed our new heart and new spirit . Ya gotta realize that he reproduces after the God kind simply b/c his seed is the living WORD K

Comments by Alex about the parable of the sower and his precious seed which is the Living Word . The wheat is the result of his seed thus Jesus is the father of the wheat which are Gods to whom the Word came it made them Gods. Jesus said that satan is the Father of the tares b/c he sows the tares as JESUS is the father of the wheat simply b/c he sows the wheat by his WORDS, to understand this parable ya gotta realize that Jesus is not sowing anything of this world, his seed is the very seed of God thats y he is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. the Granson . I.E. being born again of an incorruptible seed etc His voice, My words are spirit and life . We are gonna birth a baby Christ but the CHILD IS SPIRIT, she brought forth a man Child which is the H.G. that is gonna rule ALL nations. My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till CHRIST IS FORMED IN YOU WHICH IS THE RESULT OF THAT HEAVENLY SEED . Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a LIL CHILD ( results of that good seed ) you will in no wise enter there in. Jesus said the good seed are CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM . Thats y i always say there is a baby Christ in our near future which is the H.G. and this Child is the Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in joy and peace in the H.G. here we see that the real H.G. is the kingdom of God. Thats y he said that unless ya receive the Kingdom AS A LIL CHILD . When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming he says unto US a Child is born . Thats y the new birth is so important , we are gonna birth a baby Christ the SON OF MAN . Thats y the MYSTERY of the Kingdom of God is Christ in you . When Jerimiah saw the new covenant he also saw ALL THE WORLD in travail and birth pains. Jesus said the field was the world where that good seed wd be planted. That Women in Rev.12 giving birth is the direct result of the sower and his seed n mat. 13 her child is spirit the H.G. We are that woman that is gonna birth Christ,a kingdom with in US . K

Hosea 5:4-7, Notice these 3 verses Hosea is speaking God the father, "They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not known the LORD.

And the pride of Israel doth testify to his face: therefore shall Israel and Ephraim fall in their iniquity; Judah also shall fall with them.

They shall go with their flocks and with their herds to seek the LORD; but they shall not find him; he hath withdrawn himself from them.

They have dealt treacherously against the LORD: for they have begotten strange children: now shall a month devour them with their portions.



Hosea 5:15,

Now as we get down to vs 15 he prophesied something strange...

Verse 15: I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

When did the Lord leave his place? and what specific offense is he speaking of? and what affliction is he speaking of? let's look at Mathews 23:39. " Matthew 23:39 (KJV) For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." Now of course they seen him again but he is saying here BEHOLD HIM AS A NATION. "NATIONALLY" Could their offence be rejection of the Messiah? Wd they be forced to call on him during the tribulation? "THE AFFLICTION " And when the Lord as mentioned in Hosea 5:15 and Jesus in Mathew 23:39. Does that nit them together as God? I will go and return to my place till" WHOS RETURNIN