Bible Discussion Thread

when we die, do we go immediately to Heaven?

Hi Jordan, 2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Please note that Paul said he would "rather" be present with the Lord. Paul didn't say that in 100% of the cases immediately when a Christian dies that 100% of the time he skips judgment day and immediately goes to heaven. In fact, scripture supports the opposite- that the dead will remain in sleep until Jesus returns then will be caught up in the air then judgment day determines where someone goes. It doesn't make as much logical sense either for people to go to heaven then go back to earth only to make a verse true that the dead will rise and meet Jesus, only to go back to heaven again, while skipping Judgment day altogether that the Bible says will happen. So, when you take all the scriptures in context, it's clear that the dead will be in a mode of sleep which will probably pass like an instant to that person, before they then meet Jesus and are judged accordingly. No one is 'saved' until they are first judged. 1 Thessalonians 4:13, Matthew 12:36, Daniel 12:2 (sleep in dust of earth clearly means sleeping in the grave, before judgment), 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

The scripture identify this body we live in as a tent, this body goes back to ground in which it came, our spirit goes to be with the Lord is the way I understand it. And yes you should Know that you have eternal life, If not that would contuary to faith. That's why we have entered into his rest. 1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. Ephesians 1:13-14. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that holy Spirit of PROMISE,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 2 Corinthians 1:21-22. Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;

Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. 2 Corinthians 5:4-6. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

Therefore we are always CONFIDENT. knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: If I had to trust in me I couldn't be confident, but God already paid down on his procession and sealed my destiny and he gave me the spirit of promise, and will redeem his purchase. Thats why we can't loose our salvation, it's not in our hands to fumble, it's in God's. To say you can't know is contuary to our faith. God is faithful. And when we are saved it will manifest im our mortal bodies, Romans 8:11. A live branch bare good fruit, We may not be perfect but there is a transformation taking place, and "POSITIONALLY" sanctified. THX