Bible Discussion Thread

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

When he was returned to his Glory he addresses his self the way he did in the old testament.

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, (((THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE ))).

Can someone tell me why is the SON called the everlasting FATHER in Isaiah 9:6??

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, ((THE ALMIGHTY!!))

Here is how Almighty is defined in Revelation:

Greek:

Transliteration: pantokratr

Pronunciation: pan-tok-rat'-ore

Definition: From G3956 and G2904; the all ruling that is God (as absolute and universal sovereign): - Almighty Omnipotent.

KJV Usage: Almighty(9x), omnipotent(1x).

Occurs: 10

In verses: 10

"" ME AND MY FATHER ARE ONE""

There was a time in my life that i excepted what was told me , as the Gospel truth,, until i read the scripture for myself and realized i had the wright to ask questions that would cause me to be settled in my own mind, not only for the sake of my own conscience but for the edification of the church as a whole.... and all of a sudden it seemed as if someone had opened my eyes to a strange spirit... but as time went by i realized it was only strange because i didnt know that i was actually hearing the truth for the first time.

There are many places in the scripture that must be seen through the eyes of the Spirit of God..

for instance

I suddenly realized the Gospel is more than just believing in a Name Its understanding What that name means.

its more than John three sixteen, its the whole of the Old and the New covenant , we must STUDY TO SHOW OURSELVES APPROVED OF GOD,, WE MUST BE RENEWED IN THE SPIRIT OF OUR MINDS, WE MUST PUT OFF THE OLD MAN AND TAKE ON THE NEW, ITS CHRIST IN US THE HOPE OF GLORY.

We must Mortify the deeds of the body,, and except we are born again of

Water and of the spirit we cannot see the kingdom of God.

God allowed me to see that the Baptisms are separate and unique from each other ,, Water, Holy Ghost , and Fire each one has a purpose. They bring us into a personal relationship with Jesus and his Father. And above all we must understand the meaning of Charity . How it effects us and others in bringing the church into a pure and holy BRIDE OF CHRIST. This is just a summary of what i have considered ... all i know is i want to know the truth , for the scripture tells us the the truth shall MAKE US FREE,, FREE FROM WHAT , The lust of the flesh the lust of the eye and the pride of life. EVEN JESUS HAD TO LEARN OBIDIANCE BY THE THINGS HE SUFFERED... WHY SHOULD WE BE SO DIFFERENT . We are saved by grace THRUGH FAITH, and James tells us that faith without works is dead. there is so much more.

We are all in God's classroom, learning from Him (by His Spirit) & living out in the world what we have learned. Many have learned much with a head full of knowledge but little has filtered down to the heart & life. Your studies & observations are commendable & no doubt you will continually increase in the knowledge of the Word & your Saviour. The Scripture that is ever before me as I study the Word, is in 2 Timothy 2:15, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

I'm always aware that I need to compare Scripture with Scripture, understanding the reason & background of the Book, & how it applies to us in context of the Church, the Body of Christ. It's so easy to pick & choose verses & make it apply to some situation, without understanding the other verses in that chapter/book/whole Bible that are relevant. By doing this, we begin to stray from the Truth, start believing in the error & going deeper into error, making it worse & even preaching it. Many have become like Hymenaeus and Philetus, whose ministry became like a canker (a disease, a gangerous sore), who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection (of the dead) is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

So thank you Steve for your thoughts & observations. May the Lord continue to bless you in your walk & increase your wisdom & understanding of His Holy Word.

O, what great Scriptures you've shared: John 17:5, Isaiah 9:6, Revelation 1:8.

What does one have to do to those portions to make it mean anything different than expressed so clearly here? How can Jesus dare say that He enjoyed God's Glory in Himself even before His Incarnation & indeed, before the creation of the worlds?

I think, many just have to make Him out to be a liar, as any normal reading of those Scriptures, shed great Light on a wonderful, glorious Truth. The fact that our salvation is real & secure is dependent on God coming in the flesh, by His Word - any other sacrifice would not cut it - we would still be in our sins, we would still need a yearly offering, & we would be in a desperate mental & spiritual state not knowing if we'll make it to Heaven. The fact that God has done it & given of Himself, gives us great joy & peace, & confidence in the Lord. It's all of Him - nothing of us. Praise be to Him alone.