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Hello Spencer how do you read these 2 chapter of scripture..

JOHN 3 V 1-11 / 11 in particular says .. Verily, verily, i say unto thee, we speak that we do not know, and testify what we have seen: and receive not our wittness

JOHN 4V 23 says..But the hour cometh, when true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him...

HI Michael. Lets pick up from verse 10. Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verse 11. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, we speak what we do know, and testify that what we have seen; and you receive not our witness. Verse 12: If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? Did you notice in verse 10 Jesus states: " Art thou a master in Israel and knowest not these things? " ( Jesus miracles, his conduct, and his mission was consistent with the old testament scripture.)

John the baptist elaborates on it as well in the same chapter verses 31-33.

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. Now it's Jesus who speak what he has seen and heard, Those who receive through the power of the Holyspirit testify of this truth. John 16:12-13. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 4:23. Here Jesus is answering the woman of Samaria giving a lesson on its not where you worship its on how to worship, ""Through the power of the holyspirit"" John 16:14-15. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Maybe someone can elaborate on it further.

Charity means love ,i dont know about any one else but i know that i do not always find it easy to REALLY love other people ,love however is the greatest thing and there is no law that can stand against it ,its evrything and all that we have to give and its everything and all God wants from us ,what else do we have ? What else can we give to God ?

Hi Sacha.

Yes it means love, Agape I believe this love for the brothern is assisted by the Holyspirit enabling us to be completely given over to one another, John has a lot to say about this love in his gospel and his letters. 1 John 2:5.

But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

This verse seems to suggest when this particular love is present in you for the brothern " here by we KNOW we are in him. This is part of the gifts of the spirit and also a fruit of the spirit. And also the love Peter struggled with in the flesh but when the Holyspirit indwelled him he was committed till his death.

1 Corinthians 13:13. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Well, Mark 16:15-20, also tells us that those who "speak with new tongues" are also those enabled by the Spirit to cast out devils, take hold of poisonous snakes, drink poisonous substances, & heal the sick. I wonder whether all who have the Gift of speaking in other tongues, can do the other things mentioned in those verses, or does 1 Corinthians 12:28-31 have some bearing on this matter?

I know that the 'Tongues' issue has severely divided believers, but we all need to take a fresh & good look at the Scriptures on this issue & not depend on what we're taught from the pulpit.

Hello Chris The Word Of God also says not TO TEMP THE LORD YOUR GOD ....

Any thing you do deliverately God cannot protect you ..

If you know a snake is dangerous and you pick it up to prove a point your in trouble ..

Many use verse and scripture in the wrong context not discerning spiritual with spritual things ....any deadly thing can be seen this way a posionous snake can be they way a person speaks ...or how you hear....or what you see and assume the opposite as to what you should know about what you see .....Thats why the Word of God says ( LET NOT YOUR GOOD BE EVIL SPOKEN OFF ) ....

Remember Chris: tongues were for a sign unto the Jews bearing witness to the Gospel to the Jews ( John 20:31) because the Jews require a sign, or they would not believe. Gentiles do not need a sign to believe.

I do agree Charles that Tongues was a sign-Gift first for the Jews, so that they might be witnesses to the Power & Presence of God in a way that they've never seen before, but it seems clear that this Gift was never taken away & the early Church still had it & practised it, some for the edification of the Church, others who misused it (1 Corinthians chapter 14). The problem arises, whether the practise of that Gift today is the real deal & the insistence by some that it is the primary proof of the baptism by the Spirit.

How true , what does it mean to receive the holy ghost ? Is it actually a "GHOST" that comes on you? Faith, an activity that takes place in the heart, that cannot be understood is when Jesus comes into your heart, you become a changed person, the "old man " is no longer who we were! There is thought, that as long as one has this knowledge, this is all one needs to be saved! This thinking is what Jesus spoke against and about. He said, knowing the history is not enough! Just because you are of the seed, does not give you salvation! So ,one could say old things are passed away and all things are new! That in fact these things are the work of the holy spirit!

Hello Michael,

Just to reply on your last sentence. I cannot say anything about people preaching the wrong context which I'm sure there are some that do. Only being able to speak on my own behalf. I believe speaking in different tongues is a gift from the Holy Spirit. Jesus does not say that every single believer, who receives the Holy Spirit, should "speak in tongues". Saying "these signs shall follow them that believe". It is not written that Jesus Christ ever spoke in tongues.

As I have no doubt that I have been blessed by the Lord to have received the Holy Ghost. As I may have some things, or gifts from the Lord, given to me that people who can speak in tongues don't have. Not that any of us in Christ are more important than the other. We are all One. 1 Corinthians 12 is a good chapter by Paul speaking of spiritual gifts and the body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 14:19 states how it is better for people to hear and understand your words than to speak in an unknown tongue to them.

As I am not taking anything away from people who have been blessed with the gift of speaking in tongues. I myself have no interest in this gift and have met other brothers in Christ who very much wanted this gift. They prayed earnestly for it and received it. God Bless them.

Please don't take my reply as an offense. I just wanted to post my feelings on this. Thank you.

God Bless you brother.

Hello Richard

I only have one question ? Book Of Jude 8/9 says to pray always in the Holy Ghost building up our most holy faith praying in the Holy Ghost ...How do you pray in the Holy Ghost.......

Please be aware i have made the same spelling mistake ( spelling speak as sleak in my comment ) i wrote twice

Hey Michael,

I will do my best to answer your question of "How do you pray in the Holy Ghost" from Jude 1:20. Others may want to give their view on this also.

In my experience as I have only been saved by the Lord Jesus Christ for just under two years. My life has taken many turns from a power not of my own. Experiencing miracles of healing, repenting from things of this world, and my prayer life that was non existent before being led to the Lord. I will testify that the Holy Spirit has taught me how to pray. As starting out praying I would maybe only say the our Father prayer. The prayer I say now every day takes about one hour and is from my heart. I give all credit to the Holy Ghost expanding my prayer life.

One other thing is that when I pray I usually don't speak out of my mouth. It is in Spirit.

I agree with what S Spencer stated on the most excellent gift of the Holy Ghost being love/charity.

Hope that helps some. God Bless.

Hello Richard

I agree with the Word Of God and whats written ...

Every word that proceeds from the mouth of God Jesus said...

REWRITNG MY FIRST COMMENT DUE TO SPELLING MISTAKES......

ROMANS 8 VERSE 9 Refers to ACTS 5 VERSE 32.... and we are wittness of these things; and so also is the Holy

Ghost , whom God has given to them that obey him..

The problem today is Pastors who do not have the Holy Ghost have preconcieved ideas if the infilling of the Holy Sprit

referring to the fulness of God sperating the experience of what Jesus told Nicodemus what he must do to enter into the Kingdom of God..

Many preach the wrong context of the experience saying sleaking in tongues is a gift and Mark 16 says ...believers would speak in tongues ......

Zephaniah C 8 says ..

Therefore wait ye upon me , saith the LORD, until the day i rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that i may assemable the kingdoms,to pour on them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devouredwith the fire of my jealousy ..

Zephainah C 9 says... For then i will turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent .....

Isaiah C 28:11 says ..For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to his people .

Isaiah C 33:19 says...Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst percieve; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand .....

STAMMERING LIPS AND ANOTHER TONGUE IS REFERRING TO SPEAKING IN TONGUES

Book Of Jude ... best to read the book its only one page that referrs to mockers sensual having not the the Spirit of God when God instructs to pray always in the Holy Ghost building up our most holy faith, tells us how we do it praying in the Holy Ghost......

There is not much i can write regarding the unfilling of Gods Holy Spirit except their are only two Languages that exist ..( Tongues of Angels Heavenly ) and ( Tongues of men Earthy ) and if God is a spirit how do you worship God in the Spirit...

From old to new testament God says how he would speak to his people ....

IASIAH 28:11 says...

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to his people ....

ISAIAH 33:19 says...

Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech that thou canst not perceive; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand

1 CORINTHIANS 14:14 says...

For when i pray in and unknown tongue , my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful

1CORINTHIANS 14:2 says..

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

sPENCER I AM NOT BEING ALLOWED TO SEND YOU THESE SCRIPTUERS I HAVE TRIED 5 TIMES IF IT WORKS THIS TIME GOOD

If jesus said he is the same today yesterday and forever what does that mean to you regarding the whole bible in general ....

Jesus is the same, but dispensations are not, and ages are not the same, and what the Jews believe to be save, is different from what the Gentiles believes to be saved, and many other things in the Bible are not the same.

Hi Michael,

When you want the attention of someone particular hit reply under their comment so you msg will alert their email. I'm traveling so I only browse the site for now. But I want to draw you attention to a Homely example created by you. You said you are doing a lot of rewriting because of misspelling a few words, I take That you feel it's very important for you to be clear, "Your Msg is important for the hearer, Wouldn't a msg from God to those he Loves and trust and sent should be delivered with understanding? What about these Msgs we relay and receive on paper how can they bless you without understanding?

And Michael I believe those old testament references you gave speaks of the time of the Millennium. You seem to believe that worshipping. in truth and in spirit is all Vocal. """ How can you worship in truth vocally in an unknown tongue when you are noone knows what you are saying? What was your reason for messaging me? Was it because I said gifts doesn't confirm salvation, the best gift was Love its a fruit as well a gift and I said the scripture says you know them by their fruit? I have to get back on the road, I will msg you later. Thank you