Bible Discussion Thread

What does The Bible say about someone being gay ? Homosexual and telling them that it is against God am I wrong for doing This? What Bible verses can I share ? Where does it say woman was created for man from his rib ? man is not to lay with man ? Woman is not to lay with woman ? man and woman was made for each other ?

Homosexuality is a grievous sin and has severe consequences, including AIDS, STDs, etc. Homosexuality is demonic, and any who practice shall be cast into the lake of fire and burn and be devoured by the worm--for eternity.

Romans chapter 1

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Just to add to the other brothers' good comments & to present another dimension to this difficult & awkward matter: I believe that if a person is convicted over sin or in the case you presented, if one should approach you to ask of a biblical perspective of the matter, then one is rightly obligated to reveal God's Word to them in a gentle, loving way that presents the Heart of God to gather in & save all sinners.

But if I could direct you to God's unchanged determination. When God declared the 'moral' laws & requirements to His people, it wasn't because the people suggested it to Him & wanted instruction, but that God took the initiative to give His people moral direction & the penalty that resulted through disobedience. What we have today, is that God's Word, indeed the Living God Himself, is no longer in the minds of the people, but that "every man does what is right in his own eyes" (as Israel often did). What should have been the foundation & pursuit of governments to hold onto God's directions for mankind, has become to pass laws that reflect community inclinations & desires & the voices of the 'academics' that present the result of their studies & their imaginations.

So when the committing of adultery, murder, striking one's parents, witchcraft/divination, incest, homosexuality, etc. were brought before Moses & others, the death penalty was given. How far we have moved from God's requirement for such sins. Instead, many of these sins are seen as a normal part of human behaviour & not subject to any laws. As far as I know, only Islam pursues these actively. And so over time, society has been conditioned to accept such behaviours & sins as acceptable. So what I'm saying here, is that in a society as we are in now, it would be very difficult to promote God's requirements when even the acceptance of a God in Heaven or His moral code for us is both unknown & unacceptable. If someone enquires of this, then the Word & your explanation of it can only be shared.

There has been a moral collapse in America of colossal proportions. America has gone from a morally healthy, God-fearing country to a world center of gross depravity and immorality, a modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah. We live in a country that has lost its moral bearings, a country that doesn't know right from wrong. It is a society where shocking, numbing, gut-wrenching things are happening. Our supreme court has openly affirmed the dominance of the rights of gays. Our country has openly taken its stand - a stand against Goodness, Righteousness, and Morality. It has affirmed its commitment to Immorality and Depravity.

The position of the Bible on homosexuality is crystal clear. There is no ambiguity in it. Its position is that it is the wickedness of the n-th degree, that it leads to hell, that those who practice it will be damned.

When a government no longer has God's Word at its base & to be used for administering proper conduct & justice for its citizens, it has then descended into the deceptions & grips of Satan believing it is serving the people well.

And this applies not only to America which has had a strong foundation on God's Laws & some God-fearing men but to many other countries who are so deceived. When the voices of the people (often the minorities) move the government rather than the clear mandate from God & clear code of conduct for righteous living & governing no matter what the era, then society begins to collapse both morally & spiritually. And so what we have today are countries who believe that their citizens are now well served by fairness, equality, & opportunities for all, but care not at all for the real reasons for the rampant crime, breakdown of societal values, & complete disregard for the God Who was once permitted to fill the hearts & minds of His appointed leaders. It is very pleasing to see your strong stand Tomas, & your correct perceptions of depraved societies that we have now, glossed over with niceties that obscure their true condition.

Hello Chris, I agree that things will not go well for an individual or individual's country the more they turn by the hardness of their hearts or agreements and promises of God. However, 1 Peter 2:9-12 , gives us a better hope and rest as well as expectation. We need as Christians to abstain from fleshly lusts to keep our stranger and pilgrim status and protect our soul from the world. The decay of the world in sin is expected because it is not our home because God gave His only Son for us who is in Heaven. So whom is the minority? the stranger or the worldling? But we as Christians can have an honest walk (our conversation) for the hope that they too may someday glorify God in the day of visitation. We as strangers and pilgrims are the chosen generation and the peculiar people and by our Faith we protect the world in time continuing for others like ourselves who were once in darkness to be called out of the same by repentance and faith. My belief is the more we participate in trying to outwardly hold the world in order the more we are quickening it's end and thereby upsetting the harvest.

Amen Carleton and Chris.

I believe Homosexuality and same sex marriage has overtaken the nation to where its the norm, And being legalized by the government that is when our cup is filled!!

Not to mention abortion!!

We have a lot of blood on our hands from the beginning,

Unrepentant Homsexuals is going to have a lot of company in Hell.

And prayer, how important is that?!

We have taken it out of school!!

"All" this dark world will be under judgment,

"We the Church" is to be a light to lead people out of darkness.

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1 Peter 2:9.

We're strangers and pilgrims. We should walk that way, but the world, Apostasy, and pride has crept in the Church.

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18

We parallel with Sodom in more ways than just Homosexuality. Look at the sins of Sodom here in

Ezekiel 16:49-50.

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

God has never done more for a nation than what he done for Israel, but look what he says about Israel.

Ezekiel 16:48. As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.

They had written laws by the hand of God that had no need to be AMENDED!. Laws written on stone condemned the word!!

Us like them started with written laws we never held true to.

But now we have in the Church what the world nations never had and never will,

THE HOLYSPIRIT IN US. A Royal priesthood, A Holy Nation, Called out of darkness into his marvellous light.

God bless you brothers.

God bless our conversation. We can walk together in our infirmities by His grace.

Thank you brother.

Hi Carleton, as I read your worthy comments & considered the world's condition & the temporal residence of the believer here, the verses that continually came to mind are in Matthew 5:13-16:

"Ye are the SALT of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the LIGHT of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

Regardless of far removed the world has gone from the holy requirements of the Lord, as children of the Light we must continue to beam out its rays to a world overcome in darkness. The world must never lose that witness of God's Presence & Love that they may come to know Him & have a mighty standard before them to reveal their gross errors & departure from the Truth. However, with the Church at large resembling more of the world than the Holy Body of Christ (by its Love, Purity & sharing the Gospel), the focus ought to be turned upon ourselves first to see how dim our light beam has become & how savourless our lives have been to the world. God will use our lives to be witnesses of His Grace but unless we walk as children of that Light & affecting the world around us in some way, our lives are near to being useless & all we do is to live for our comfort & security in our 'holy huddles', alienating ourselves from a desperate dark perishing world. We ought to "be hated of all men" - then we know that the world of darkness is being shaken by God's Light. But unfortunately, we prefer to be loved by all. Every blessing to you brother in the Truth.

Hi Debbie,

Here's a verse to consider when witnessing to those in question and when using those great scriptures Brother Adam gave.

Often when we try helping someone or pointing out some wrong in them, then they seem to get offended and turn the focus on you,

Here's Paul:

Galatians 6:1 (KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Note:

"He that is spiritual."

"considering thyself."

Listen at the Lord:

Matthew 7:2-4 (KJV) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Please understand I'm saying anyone's a hypocrite,

I'm saying THAT WE DO MINISTER TO PEOPLE IN A WE TO RESTORE THEM OR/AND TO LEAD THEM TO SALVATION.

"Using the word of God and you're not condemning. The truth and the word is simply being displayed.

I personally think it's our duty to be a instrument that bares light, and if my light is dim it's me lacking spirituality in my life but THE WORD REMAINS TRUE.

Hopefully someone else can shed more light on this.

Fruit inspecting, restoring,

I hope that helps

Hello,

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As far as whether appropriate to call out others' sin, I personally would not in most situations. If openly called out to someone's face or in public, I think it sometimes has the opposite effect, because someone may be viewed as 'judging' others, and since everyone is imperfect, you may be highly scrutinized and the next time you sin yourself or make the slightest mistake you might be branded as a 'hypocrite' and their perception of Christianity may be even lower than before.

I personally think everyone is born with right and wrong- a moral conscience. When people who don't know God commit sin they usually feel guilt in my opinion. I think only through conditioning can this be suppressed. I think people know homosexuality is unnatural and wrong and will have feelings of guilt already that they have to suppress in order to continue that. I think the same guilt is present for a variety of perversions like sodomy, incest, bestiality. Of course those committing it will defend it rigorously with a logical fallacy by claiming you're denying them the ability to 'love', but obviously it's the act itself. People are commanded to love everyone as ourselves. Love the sinner, hate the sin. ButI personally think the best strategy is to love others and withhold your comments until you build rapport and if you show you care they someday may ask you your opinion and you may at that time have credibility. No one would be alive today without the symbiosis of male/female.

Adam and Eve: Genesis 2:23

God bless...

Thank you Adam.

God bless your thoughts.

Brother Chris, I held back from writing the same thought in

Matthew 5:13-16 ,that you would confirm this in me as also one in Truth.