is this referring to the New Covenantwhich Christ ratified with His own blood? Will the Jews that did not comprehend this born again status be in hell? Or do they ALL get a chance to repent from Christ's attunement till His Coming...
Now I'm not sure if all Israel and the prophets and priests knew that all the sacrifices and works in the old tabernacle was pointing to Christ but i believe John the baptist knew, that's what his baptism was about and it was for the Jews, he prepared the way for Christ.
And maybe Abraham, he dwelt in tents looking for a city whose maker was God.
Hebrews 11:9-10. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
This would perhaps be the New Jerusalem,
I believe their veil we being taken away is what we see in Hebrews 11:8 when God says he will write his laws in their hearts, "not stoney tablets" for ALL shall know me, That's the work of the Holyspirit, "spirit of truth" Jesus told the disciples to wait on the Holyspirit before they go on with there mission.
So the promise was not to be completed under the old covenant because it could not be complete without the new heart.
Hebrews 11:39-40. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Hebrews 8:10. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
I hope someone can help us both as I am green in this study.
S Spencer, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
The Spirit has revealed to you HIS truth in your reply to Karen. The promise was the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (immortal life by Christ); but this was not possible without RESURRECTION; therefore, we and the saints of the old testament also became partakers of HIS RESURRECTION.
Hebrews 11:39-40
Isaiah 26:19
Revelation 20:5-6
Matthew 27:52-53
Revelation 7 they were sealed with the Holy Spirit and His immortal body
Romans 6:4-5. Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
The New covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31:30 and Hebrews 8. Everthing in the old covenant and tabernacle was pointing to Christ. This new covenant was spoken of in Genisis Link and Link
Romans 11:8. (According as it is written, GOD HATH GIVEN THEM THE SPIRIT OF SLUMBER, EYES THAT THE SHOULD NOT SEE, AND EARS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HEAR;)UNTO THIS DAY.
Romans 11:26-27. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
( For this is my COVENANT unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
2nd Cor. 3:6-16. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, (THE VAIL IS UPON THEIR HEART.)
Nevertheless when it (their hearts) shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
Karen, may the SPIRIT grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
The BIG QUESTION? If you don't accept Christ in your physical life time are you cut off forever? Or go to hell?
Most BELIEVE in this assumption.
If the scriptures are studied as a whole and verses are not picked and apply in direct opposition to other verses we see a different truth than the above.
The scriptures assert that THE WORKS OF GOD are divided into different ages or generations.
So what's taking place in the age we are presently living in.
Scripture says that God through Christ is CHOOSING a few to rule and judge in HIS KINGDOM and they with HIM will bring all creation INTO CHRIST.
Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensations of the fullness of TIMES he might gather together in one ALL THINGS in CHRIST........
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH for the manifestation of THE SONS OF GOD.
Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself ALSO SHALL BE DELIVERED (by Christ and his elect).......
Romans 11:30-31 For as ye in times past HAVE NOT BELIEVED GOD, yet have obtained mercy through THEIR UNBELIEF:
(vs 31) Even so have these also NOT NOW believed, that through YOUR MERCY they also MAY OBTAIN MERCY.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.
Luke 10:2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great; but the labourers (OF GOD'S WORKS) are FEW.....
Matthew 20:16 many are called, FEW are chosen....
Why are they called and not chosen; because they didn't BELIEVE WHAT GOD SAID.
Yes they are saved; but want be a judge in the kingdom.
Greetings Karen and S Spencer. Some thoughts. Wondering if Isaiah Chapter 54 comes into play in these questions regarding chapter 56. Seems like in this chapter there is a church in the wilderness that is barren and ignored. God seems to promise her an inheritance in the Gentiles. God loves her and says to her that he is her Maker and her husband and his name is "thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called" verse 5. Verse 10 speaks of the "covenant of my peace" that is will not be removed because the Lord will have mercy on this church.
So questions arise: Where does Israel come into play as the married wife? Was she put away? The covenant of my peace, is it not for born again believers that become the children of the church? The children of the old covenant because of the hardness of their hearts would not enter in and under His wings. The entrance to this new covenant for all, because all children are loved is the same for all; repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.
Thanks for your reply, I just come in from a road trip and had to rest before I can get in front the computer, I'm the worst I have ever seen when it comes to replying or submitting a comment from my cell phone, I have left out whole words by mistake often.
Hello S Spencer, Thank you. I can barely use an ipad must less a phone for communication. My wife however is a natural. I am happy that you had a safe road trip and can rest at home again. I appreciate your Biblical instructions in the way and the manner of such. We all have our strengths and weaknesses and they can even appear at different times in a day.
God bless this run that we are in.
Is it not a run of sanctification because of His continued love?
Brethren in Christ Jesus, I have not read out of the Apocrypha for over twenty years, but I am remembering now that Judas Maccabee and his brothers were fighting against Roman rule when the Romans entered the Temple and desecrated it. The act (I think I remember correctly) was referred to as an abomination of desolation and the candlestick was put out.
But God in his wisdom, I believe, re-lit that candlestick as a testimony and light and witness of his new covenant just inside the veil. The light of the Gospel and the veil torn from top to bottom is the hope of all whom will enter in.
Best Way To Know Where we Go At Death - In Reply on Isaiah 56 - 3 years ago
Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection.
In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "HELL" here is not the Greek word "HADES" but is the Greek word "TARTARUS" meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).
Wherefore He saith, When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things" ( Ephesians 4:8-10). Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the lower parts refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory!
PG 2
Now I'm not sure if all Israel and the prophets and priests knew that all the sacrifices and works in the old tabernacle was pointing to Christ but i believe John the baptist knew, that's what his baptism was about and it was for the Jews, he prepared the way for Christ.
And maybe Abraham, he dwelt in tents looking for a city whose maker was God.
Hebrews 11:9-10. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
This would perhaps be the New Jerusalem,
I believe their veil we being taken away is what we see in Hebrews 11:8 when God says he will write his laws in their hearts, "not stoney tablets" for ALL shall know me, That's the work of the Holyspirit, "spirit of truth" Jesus told the disciples to wait on the Holyspirit before they go on with there mission.
So the promise was not to be completed under the old covenant because it could not be complete without the new heart.
Hebrews 11:39-40. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Hebrews 8:10. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
I hope someone can help us both as I am green in this study.
Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth (green) leaves, you know summer is nigh.
Revelation 22:2 ..... And the leaves shall be for the healing of the nations......
GBY
The Spirit has revealed to you HIS truth in your reply to Karen. The promise was the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (immortal life by Christ); but this was not possible without RESURRECTION; therefore, we and the saints of the old testament also became partakers of HIS RESURRECTION.
Hebrews 11:39-40
Isaiah 26:19
Revelation 20:5-6
Matthew 27:52-53
Revelation 7 they were sealed with the Holy Spirit and His immortal body
1 Timothy 6:16
I agree.
Romans 6:4-5. Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
PG1
The New covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31:30 and Hebrews 8. Everthing in the old covenant and tabernacle was pointing to Christ. This new covenant was spoken of in Genisis Link and Link
Romans 11:8. (According as it is written, GOD HATH GIVEN THEM THE SPIRIT OF SLUMBER, EYES THAT THE SHOULD NOT SEE, AND EARS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HEAR;)UNTO THIS DAY.
Romans 11:26-27. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
( For this is my COVENANT unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
2nd Cor. 3:6-16. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, (THE VAIL IS UPON THEIR HEART.)
Nevertheless when it (their hearts) shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
The BIG QUESTION? If you don't accept Christ in your physical life time are you cut off forever? Or go to hell?
Most BELIEVE in this assumption.
If the scriptures are studied as a whole and verses are not picked and apply in direct opposition to other verses we see a different truth than the above.
The scriptures assert that THE WORKS OF GOD are divided into different ages or generations.
So what's taking place in the age we are presently living in.
Scripture says that God through Christ is CHOOSING a few to rule and judge in HIS KINGDOM and they with HIM will bring all creation INTO CHRIST.
Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensations of the fullness of TIMES he might gather together in one ALL THINGS in CHRIST........
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH for the manifestation of THE SONS OF GOD.
Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself ALSO SHALL BE DELIVERED (by Christ and his elect).......
Romans 11:30-31 For as ye in times past HAVE NOT BELIEVED GOD, yet have obtained mercy through THEIR UNBELIEF:
(vs 31) Even so have these also NOT NOW believed, that through YOUR MERCY they also MAY OBTAIN MERCY.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.
Luke 10:2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great; but the labourers (OF GOD'S WORKS) are FEW.....
Matthew 20:16 many are called, FEW are chosen....
Why are they called and not chosen; because they didn't BELIEVE WHAT GOD SAID.
Yes they are saved; but want be a judge in the kingdom.
What scripture and verse are you referring to?
There's brothers and sisters here that would love to help.
Stay tuned, that is a great question and topic
God bless
So questions arise: Where does Israel come into play as the married wife? Was she put away? The covenant of my peace, is it not for born again believers that become the children of the church? The children of the old covenant because of the hardness of their hearts would not enter in and under His wings. The entrance to this new covenant for all, because all children are loved is the same for all; repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.
Thanks for your reply, I just come in from a road trip and had to rest before I can get in front the computer, I'm the worst I have ever seen when it comes to replying or submitting a comment from my cell phone, I have left out whole words by mistake often.
God bless
God bless this run that we are in.
Is it not a run of sanctification because of His continued love?
Carleton
But God in his wisdom, I believe, re-lit that candlestick as a testimony and light and witness of his new covenant just inside the veil. The light of the Gospel and the veil torn from top to bottom is the hope of all whom will enter in.
In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "HELL" here is not the Greek word "HADES" but is the Greek word "TARTARUS" meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).
Wherefore He saith, When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things" ( Ephesians 4:8-10). Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the lower parts refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory!
Let's be polite and not step over her,
Thank you
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