Bible Discussion Thread

Jesus is the image of the invisible God . God is spirit and can not be seen , so Jesus is Gods representative in flesh , the same as God because Jesus is Gods son . Yet in flesh and an image of God .

Yet God remains who he always was and is invisible and Spirit .

So we have 2 identities. Both identical as God but one is father and the other is son . One in God but 2 in identities. God was never in flesh until Jesus . It's really simple but so much confusion on it .

It's a father and son .

...and the third part of the Godhead is the Holy Spirit who is the Witness and Comforter that God and Jesus Christ are true and everlasting.

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Man is also made in the image of God and has only 1 head and 1 personality.

So God has only 1 head seems man is the proof of that .

The Holy is certainly God but a Godhead is not found in the bible , unless scriptures are twisted .

Tom,

Although it is very easy to twist the scriptures from our English bibles because English is a very general language and very easy to twist, a person who speaks of a Godhead is not twisting scripture at all. In our English bible, there are many words that have multiple meanings, and that's why we often debate and have disagreements on what the English text actually is saying. We have to keep in mind that what we are reading in our English text is a translation from Greek.

As you say, the word "Godhead" is not found in the bible, at least not in our English bible. But I would argue that Godhead is found in the bible. It is found three times in the King James.

Acts 17:29 says, "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the THEIOS (English translation=GODHEAD) is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Romans 1:20 says, "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and THEIOTES (GODHEAD); so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 2:9 says, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the THEOTES (GODHEAD) bodily.

So Godhead is found in the scripture. It's in these three places I just shared with you.

I believe that God is head over all and singular , making him the unchanging creator as he said many times in the KJV .

Hi Tom,

Do you mind If I humor you abit?

Do Christ have an actual birthday?

I'm sure that sounds silly because the scripture is clear he has no beginning,

How do you define a father and son relationship "Biologically"?

No doubt the father existed before his son, there's not way we can comprehend any other way, this is natural!

Now do we view God the father and Christ the son in the same biological way? NO! and that's unnatural.

God "IS" Everlasting and Jesus came out of the bosom of Everlasting.

When you make your argument you make it from an biological/natural point of view when their relationship is not biological or natural.

When you see father and son you comprehend that from the creatures stand point.

But when you see Jesus mentions the Father and son he says me and the father are One and if you seen me you seen the father, He says that from the Duel Creator standpoint

You're trying to grasp that Biologically but you can't because Father AND the Son is Everlasting!

Apart from what's given from that,

is what the scripture says directly.

Isaiah 9:6. The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, (the Almighty) "Look up the all mighty in the greek"

Malachi 2:17. Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

Malachi 3:1. Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

YOU CANT LOOK THE OTHER WAY AS IF THESE VERSES DON'T EXIST. YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THEM.

TELL ME HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THEM???

AND THERE IS MANY MORE.

Yes there was a little town of Bethlehem!

Jesus is inherently God , and Gods son .

I hope this helps .

It's all in the Bible to those that have ears !

Tom ,im with you there and despite what you might read on here ,we are not alone ,stay strong and joyfull in Christ ,the Son of God and our sinless redeemer ,Christ is coming !

Tom,

Yes, there is one God, I agree. And He is unchanging, I agree. I also know that Jesus Christ is the HUIOS, the inheritor of all things from the Father, and Jesus is the head over all things to the church as given to us in Ephesians 1:22. Once Christ ascended up into His position, all things are now put under the feet of Christ, and all must answer to Christ. Now concerning His headship, it says "And gave Him to be the head over all things with respect to the church."



So it is right to say that God is head over all, and that Jesus Christ is head over all because Jesus Christ is the Huios of God, the one who was in position to inherit all things from the Father. And Jesus is now the head over all things because He is God the Son, and the Son has inherited all things from the Father!

Yes Jesus inherited from the father as an obedient first son .

Not only was Jesus born of the father , but he earned the position by his completing the work The father sent him to do !

Jesus is so worthy of his highest position as Lord of lords and king of kings ! Awesome !! And only he could have done it , all the glory to God whom made it possible. We can only scratch the surface of this immeasurable work of salvation that was Gods plan and Jesus wonderful accomplishment. Thanks for the thoughts on this worthy subject , PTL ! When we can comprehend some of this it should cause us to worship , and never stop , so worth pondering dear reader .

Tom,

Jesus is quite worthy of praise, honor, and glory. I think we would both agree to that. However, I'm not too sure that Jesus had to earn His position. I don't believe scripture backs up the idea of Christ having to earn anything. How the creator of the entire universe would have to earn His position would be hard for me to grasp.

Thank you also for sharing your thoughts!

Jesus did the work the father sent him to do , undeniable, so is there reward for doing good in obedience to the father ? Yes of course . Did he earn it ? Yes of course his reward that is .

A few verses I read this morning as I opened the bible at random .

Malachi 2.10 Have we not all one father ? Hath not one God created us ? ....

Malachi 3 . 6

For I am the Lord , I change not ; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed .

These verses certainly apply today , as sure as the Lord is whom he says He is !

I Bow to the Great I am and his son the Lord Jesus ! His word endures for ever ! Amen ...

Hey Tom, I'm not sure of the reward you say for obedience but here's a few of my thoughts and some scripture, in respect to all who have replied.

1John.2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus called His Father His God. No one can deny the divinity of Jesus, the demons in scripture even knew who he was "the Son of the Most High". The Son was with the Father before the world because through the Son all was created. There is not any scripture that says how the Son began only He was the beginning of creation. The word Godhead is in the Bible 3 times "theots" meaning deity, divinity, "Theion" meaning Devine Being, both can be said of God and the Son of God without saying they are both God.

God bless us, Ron

You have a valid point , if the real Jesus is denied , just who are they believing in ? Will he deliver them ?

If anyone's Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible then they might as well be praying to a rock .

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 5:10 "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son."

1 John 5:11 "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."

Adam read the Old Testament when God the I am that I spoke often about how He is God alone . Many times throughout . You must keep that in context when reading the New Testament or you will be confused , it seems to contradict in the new , but God never changes . That we know for certain .

Hello Tom, So true there are very many Scriptures where God communicates with His people His will and he refers to Himself as the Lord and God singularly to them and stands before their enemies and says the same. God here reveals two truths He loves His people in the flesh and He is Holy and not approachable by man in the flesh. Yet He wants to lead them by the law to repentance in His Son revealed by the prophets, later as a babe, then as His beloved Son, and finally as a crucified Savior. This aspect of God is his Mercy which is Jesus Christ. This part of God covered the law where God could approach man in the flesh and even after Calvary dwell in His people in the flesh as the Holy Ghost, another aspect of God. Three parts of God and three stages of salvation which is life everlasting.

Thank you for the scriptures brother Adam, here at work I could only think of verses which are confirmed by the Comforter in our hearts, even this day.

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Keep the faith!