ADDING or TAKING AWAY from the SCRIPTURES on Nehemiah 8 - 3 years ago
TWO COMMANDMENTS OF JESUS:
Matthew 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang ALL
the law and the prophets.
In Matthew 5, Jesus did a little refresh on what OT commands were still in force. However, if we keep the Two Commandments, we will fulfill ALL of the Law. LOVE LIKE JESUS.
This past week, I've seen the Sabbath, shredded every which way; everyone trying to be right on which day it is. I don't see Jesus telling people this is right, and that isn't. He was healing (working) people on the Sabbath. It really riled up those Pharisees and Sadducees. They wanted to kill Jesus for it.
Let's not be like those guys, ok?
We come together at Church Day, to Praise CORPORATELY, also to pray: heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, to set at liberty those that want to be free.
People gnawing and gnashing on when a certain day is, that some people get turned off on the whole scene. Jesus is not that way. HE Says, COME. Ask so it can be given and received.
I'm not saying to omit anything.
I'm saying to amend the spirit in which its given.
Pray about it.
I'm a street minister. I depend on the Church to be welcoming. To carry my Lambs and help them feel the LOVE OF JESUS. Tune your discernment to their needs during baby Christian hood. Help them grow up right.
This is how the BODY of Christ is supposed to operate. It's not something you get to pick, or choose to do. You're in, or you are out.
God will fill us up with Jesus Love and send us out to witness: COME SEE A MAN! WHO TOLD ME OF MY SORRY LIFE & HOW IT CAN BE BORN AGAIN!!!!
Stop "fighting" (wrangling) scripture. Do it in love.
TO: ADDING or TAKING AWAY from the SCRIPTURES on Nehemiah 8
TWO COMMANDMENTS OF JESUS: You are exactly right, Matthew 5:16 (Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.) What kind of light are true, born again, Christians showing by fighting over a day. If we take our sabbath on Saturday, Sunday, or even Wednesday, it is sabbath to that person. Philippians 2:12 ( Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.) Romans14:5 (One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.) 1 Peter 3:8 (Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:)
I really struggled whether to make a comment. I guess this is one we'll have to wait till we get to heaven.
I have spent wonderful Fridays with Messiah believing Jewish friends observing Shabbat rituals. It's beautiful. They are so reverent and welcoming.
I've had great experiences, from one faith to another. All different, but all done in a worshipful manner. Times, and cultures differ. If Jesus is the one being worshipped, I don't have a problem.
I was in Church at Passover with a mixed crowd: Gentiles and Jews. I was praying in an unknown language. Afterwards, the Jewish couple sitting next to me, asked, do you know what you were saying? I said no. They asked, do you want to know? I said yes. The woman said, you were praising God in Hebrew. Blew my socks down. I don't know the Hebrew language.
When I have prayed in the Spirit, with my spirit; I don't know what I'm saying. The Holy Spirit does: He gives the unction, and my spirit is refreshed. It's really an act of obedience for ME. Our carnal minds think it's silly because we don't know what is being said.
Everybody is different! It takes courage to follow the Holy Spirit, where he wants to go. I don't debate it. I just want to be where He is. He's the 3rd person of the Godhead; He performed His part in Creation. He raised Jesus from the tomb. He is all over the earth now bringing new believers to trust in Jesus. How can anyone not want to be a part of that?
It's pure trust.
Kinda like when they take your driver license picture. You want a good one to show friends. But we get what they give to us...sometimes a 45mph wind gust and no comb!
That was a timely word & testimony Mishael - thank you for reminding us again that the Holy Spirit still gives God's children gifts as you have received & shared & with an added blessing of interpretation of that tongue of praise. It should come as a reminder to us not to discount what the Spirit can do in us & through us, & to be very careful not to condemn His Gifts lest we be found to blaspheme Him ( Mark 3:28-30).
And just to add: I think that this 'rigorous' discussion should not put anyone 'off' as it could be vital for some to learn & discern what this matter is all about. They might be struggling with the same issue: about the old Law & of the Sabbath in particular. I feel that the threads (thus far) have been very amicable & understanding, even with some emotion expressed. And this is good to see the conviction of believers, when Christendom is filled with pawns without any conviction or understanding, led away by all types of teaching. May the Word of God bring us light on this very important matter. And of course, the Admins can certainly close the thread if they suspect wrongdoing. Every blessing brother.
Hi Mishael. It can't be argued in what you have just shared, as obedience to the Lord, a deep love for Him & to all people must be our focus & to where our energies are directed.
But in these threads you refer to lies a problem with correct biblical hermeneutics. Ordinarily, we can agree to differ on our understanding of the Scriptures without too much of a catastrophe (e.g. Christ's second coming, did Jesus actually spend three days in the grave, etc, etc.). But what we have here is about the applicability of the Decalogue to the believer in Christ, & in particular the 4th Commandment (which somehow takes a degree of precedence over the other nine), should be of concern to each of us. The apostles had to wrestle over this as it was important to keep the believers' new life in Christ distinct from the old life (if they were Jews) under the Law which revealed their sin, their incapability to keep the Law & which only brought death ( Romans 7:5,6). So it was never a case of whether we should obey God's commandments - we all must obey. It's a case of whether our appeal to obey is to what was the "ministration of death, written & engraven in stones" rather than to the "ministration of the Spirit" which is of greater glory ( 2 Corinthians 3:6-8) & for which Jesus died & ushered in the New Covenant with God. If righteousness (a believer's right standing before God) could be achieved by the Law, then indeed Christ has died in vain ( Galatians 2:21).
In other words, & with all concern, can a believer stand before God & claim obedience to the Ten Commandments & especially the 4th Commandment, & not expect rebuke? He might believe that he can stand with head held high, being sealed with the 4th, & then sees the Lamb that was slain Who put aside forever any cause for condemnation which came by the Law ( Romans 8:1-4). It's not about the beauty of God's Laws - it's about it's applicability & the Spirit's Work to reveal all of God's Laws to us & give us power to perform them.
Matthew 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang ALL
the law and the prophets.
In Matthew 5, Jesus did a little refresh on what OT commands were still in force. However, if we keep the Two Commandments, we will fulfill ALL of the Law. LOVE LIKE JESUS.
This past week, I've seen the Sabbath, shredded every which way; everyone trying to be right on which day it is. I don't see Jesus telling people this is right, and that isn't. He was healing (working) people on the Sabbath. It really riled up those Pharisees and Sadducees. They wanted to kill Jesus for it.
Let's not be like those guys, ok?
We come together at Church Day, to Praise CORPORATELY, also to pray: heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, to set at liberty those that want to be free.
People gnawing and gnashing on when a certain day is, that some people get turned off on the whole scene. Jesus is not that way. HE Says, COME. Ask so it can be given and received.
I'm not saying to omit anything.
I'm saying to amend the spirit in which its given.
Pray about it.
I'm a street minister. I depend on the Church to be welcoming. To carry my Lambs and help them feel the LOVE OF JESUS. Tune your discernment to their needs during baby Christian hood. Help them grow up right.
This is how the BODY of Christ is supposed to operate. It's not something you get to pick, or choose to do. You're in, or you are out.
God will fill us up with Jesus Love and send us out to witness: COME SEE A MAN! WHO TOLD ME OF MY SORRY LIFE & HOW IT CAN BE BORN AGAIN!!!!
Stop "fighting" (wrangling) scripture. Do it in love.
Mishael
TWO COMMANDMENTS OF JESUS: You are exactly right, Matthew 5:16 (Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.) What kind of light are true, born again, Christians showing by fighting over a day. If we take our sabbath on Saturday, Sunday, or even Wednesday, it is sabbath to that person. Philippians 2:12 ( Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.) Romans14:5 (One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.) 1 Peter 3:8 (Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:)
Thanks for that post and God Bless.
I have spent wonderful Fridays with Messiah believing Jewish friends observing Shabbat rituals. It's beautiful. They are so reverent and welcoming.
I've had great experiences, from one faith to another. All different, but all done in a worshipful manner. Times, and cultures differ. If Jesus is the one being worshipped, I don't have a problem.
I was in Church at Passover with a mixed crowd: Gentiles and Jews. I was praying in an unknown language. Afterwards, the Jewish couple sitting next to me, asked, do you know what you were saying? I said no. They asked, do you want to know? I said yes. The woman said, you were praising God in Hebrew. Blew my socks down. I don't know the Hebrew language.
When I have prayed in the Spirit, with my spirit; I don't know what I'm saying. The Holy Spirit does: He gives the unction, and my spirit is refreshed. It's really an act of obedience for ME. Our carnal minds think it's silly because we don't know what is being said.
Everybody is different! It takes courage to follow the Holy Spirit, where he wants to go. I don't debate it. I just want to be where He is. He's the 3rd person of the Godhead; He performed His part in Creation. He raised Jesus from the tomb. He is all over the earth now bringing new believers to trust in Jesus. How can anyone not want to be a part of that?
It's pure trust.
Kinda like when they take your driver license picture. You want a good one to show friends. But we get what they give to us...sometimes a 45mph wind gust and no comb!
It's all good. Love to all
But in these threads you refer to lies a problem with correct biblical hermeneutics. Ordinarily, we can agree to differ on our understanding of the Scriptures without too much of a catastrophe (e.g. Christ's second coming, did Jesus actually spend three days in the grave, etc, etc.). But what we have here is about the applicability of the Decalogue to the believer in Christ, & in particular the 4th Commandment (which somehow takes a degree of precedence over the other nine), should be of concern to each of us. The apostles had to wrestle over this as it was important to keep the believers' new life in Christ distinct from the old life (if they were Jews) under the Law which revealed their sin, their incapability to keep the Law & which only brought death ( Romans 7:5,6). So it was never a case of whether we should obey God's commandments - we all must obey. It's a case of whether our appeal to obey is to what was the "ministration of death, written & engraven in stones" rather than to the "ministration of the Spirit" which is of greater glory ( 2 Corinthians 3:6-8) & for which Jesus died & ushered in the New Covenant with God. If righteousness (a believer's right standing before God) could be achieved by the Law, then indeed Christ has died in vain ( Galatians 2:21).
In other words, & with all concern, can a believer stand before God & claim obedience to the Ten Commandments & especially the 4th Commandment, & not expect rebuke? He might believe that he can stand with head held high, being sealed with the 4th, & then sees the Lamb that was slain Who put aside forever any cause for condemnation which came by the Law ( Romans 8:1-4). It's not about the beauty of God's Laws - it's about it's applicability & the Spirit's Work to reveal all of God's Laws to us & give us power to perform them.
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