Bible Discussion Thread

when there is abuse are we still required to obey our parents. is their any stipulations when we are not to obey are parents except for if they are leading us wrong in our belief of GOD and other reasons not to obey our parents. that is all i have to say about this topic when you know and don't see leaders obeying GOD and living by the bible KJV are you still to reference them and obey them when they are calling you a lier about something you know from GOD are you to obey them when you don't see the fruits of the HOLY GHOST are you still to obey them if they are telling you what to do and they have lied to your face and told you they never said what they said.

wondering about this.

when there is mental abuse are we still required to obey our parents. is their any stipulations when we are not to obey are parents except for if they are leading us wrong in our belief of GOD. Are you required to honor them if they are turning your children against you and other family members..

Ms Doe , the commandment to honour our parents was given to the children of Israel and i believe it assumes that the parents are God fearing and bringing up their children in the fear and love of the Lord ,my parents were violent mentally ill alcoholic atheists ! As far as im concerned God and Jesus are my Father and Mother and i belong to them ,my dad is dead now but my mum still lives and is horrible to me on a regular basis ,she seems to enjoy it so i let her have her fun and just ignore her , she has helped me in so many ways by teaching me patience and calmness and how to ignore unpleasant people and not let them upset me even slightly , Mark ch 3 verse 31-35 , Matthew ch10 verse 34-37 , Luke ch9 verse 59-62 , i thank God for my parents ,they taught me many valuable lessons ,i was aware from a very young age that people are capable of great cruelty for no reason other than they enjoy being cruel and i learnt how to spot these kinds of people quickly and avoid them , i hope you can learn from your parents without allowing them to distress you too much ,its not easy but if you lean on God and Jesus and recognise them as your family who you can trust with all your heart you will be on the right path ,lean on God ,He is your Heavenly Father ,He feeds you clothes you keeps you safe and sane and cheerfull ,may He always do so and may He draw you closer and closer to Him every day ,tell Him how you honestly feel ,He understands your pain and sadness ,He is the very Best Father any one could have ,surrender your heart to Him ,He will keep it safe i promise .

Ms Doe

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

Genesis 2 24

Mark 1 :7

etc

And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Ephesians 6 :4

Your husband, as the spritial head of the house is responsible to bring up his children and anyone interfering with that he has both the responsibility and the authority to deal with.

Ms Doe

Your situation appears like a failure in headship.

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

I was led by God to move away from my biological family alcoholism, borderline personality disorder, a fortress or secular humanism, no faith, no spiritual foundation, no cohesion..... For a long time I felt like an orphan out in the world, with just God. It came to be my greatest blessing, this utter reliance on him. I loved the scriptures like, "Call no man father on earth...You have one father, your father in heaven" "Who are my mother and brother and sister, those who do the will of my Father which is in heaven," "let the dead bury their dead," "he who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of me," and was very inspired by, "The King's daughter is all glorious within." I slowly came to know how deeply I was loved by God. God Bless You....

This is precisely what cured me of every scar in my soul after I was born again. I loved my Dad with all my heart. He worked so hard that he was not really available to nurture his 5 rowdy children; plus one my mother adopted.

My life story is one of feeling " left behind the door", abandoned; later, betrayed repeatedly. I retreated into astrology to find out what was wrong with me. 15 years later I was adopted by God. $Happiest day of my life.

You are adopted fully and legally into the family of God, through Jesus. We don't have to tiptoe around, afraid he will ever say it was a mistake. He's a covenant God. I am my Beloveds; my Beloved is MINE. (Song of Solomon) He wrote that 3 times. The most powerful day of my life was when I read those verses in succession. I never felt passed over or rejected another day of my life. He is Mine and I'm never letting go. He is the Bridegroom. We have covenant with Him. Rest in these scriptures:

Psalms 27:10

When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

Proverbs 18:14

The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?

Romans 8:15

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [God becomes your Daddy]

Ephesians 1:5

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Romans 8:16

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

1 Corinthians 2:12

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Ephesians 1

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us ACCEPTED in the beloved. (Jesus)

Pass this along to anyone you meet who needs to know they are loved and accepted. He who wrote it is called, Faithful and True.

M.

Dear M. I felt the Holy Spirit all over this message. "I am my Beloved's and My Beloved is mine" ...... Praise you Lord.... I also years ago got into astrology to give me answers, I kept saying, "all this suffering because I am a Pisces.!"

But I was rescued by my Beloved while meditating in a Zen Buddhist Mediation Center. My mother had told the whole family I was gone to some cult. Only God reached down and touched me while I was in that place, on a 3 month silent retreat. He reached right into my heart and saved me! I knew it was Jesus, my Lord, I remembered, an ancient memory, he was was my Lord and God, my Beloved, my Teacher, my best friend, my God ..... All.

I also ignorantly tired (and still make poor attempts) to squeeze myself into a religious mindset and worldview, only to be cast further away from my Beloved who whispers in me all the time, "you have no need that any man should teach you, you have an anointing from the Holy One." I keep not trusting him on that one, but I am learning obedience by the things which I suffer. Imagine! the mind calls "obedience" to my Love a hard thing! The mind is not subject to the laws of God, neither indeed can be.

Thank you for your comment, it touched me deeply like a spark. I don't know if you are man or woman, It doesn't matter. We are kindred souls. God bless you.....

Hi Lauren.

Here's a few verses might spark your interest as well.

Matthew 12:46-50. While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

God bless you.

S. Spencer, thank you very much. God Bless you.